How We're Planning to Fix Bundle Keys and Contributor Values (Option #1 Revised)

I like this. But then again I liked the original zeroing out plan as well. why reward ignorance that cant follow rules

this looks like a very good revision of option 1! :) i love it

Honestly, I think this an interesting idea and would like to see it combined with option 2 from before. However, could someone explain to me why my contributor value stays the same even though my giveaways were games from indie bundles (not bundle keys, just games that have been in previous bundles)? I'm not complaining, of course, I just like to understand everything that goes on :)

I like this tons better than the first idea, because it minimizes some of the collateral damage to those who give away non-bundled indie games. However it's not without its problems - people will still find ways to exploit the system. "Trains" wasn't part of an indie bundle yet people inflated their contributions by the hundreds, by buying it at a deep discount. Is that not the same problem people have with bundle games? That people inflate their contributor value with little cost to themselves? Why are indie games bad and steam sales ok? Are you going to have to monitor everytime any game goes in a bundle, or even on sale? As long as there is a contributor system, people will find a way to exploit it.

I think of the available options this one was pretty good, both as a means of solving the problem, and to reduce the workload on the support staff in the long run. I feel the only negative aspect is the complexity from the user stand point in determining contributor value, but frankly don't see any reasonable solution to that.

I like this option. +1

I like this idea.

Wait, Time Gentlemen Please! and Ben There Dan That! Special Edition Double Pack was in some bundle back in may? I purchased and gave away 5 of those (steamgifts, not keys) to support developers new game... Would be a bit sad if those "street creds" were deleted... but they are not! Yay!

I like the new proposal more than any of previous three.

I think it's the best solution until there's an automatic process way to distinguish bundle keys (if this is ever possible, that is).

I'm sorry, but... Is this revised contributor value working properly or I'm too dumb to understand it?

This is closer to an acceptable solution, but again, not to harp on, but I have two indie games sitting in my inventory: EDGE & RUSH.

Rush, according to your list, has not been in a bundle. If I give it away now, it won't count as a bundle game. If I wait and it does appear in a bundle, it will count as a bundle game, even though it is a giftable/tradeable copy from my inventory.

Edge, according to your list, has been in a bundle. If I give it away, it will count as a bundle game, even though it is a giftable/tradeable copy from my inventory.

And as I've stated previously, I've given away nothing but giftable copies with 2 exceptions, Magicka Complete & 1 copy of Lara Croft: GoL but because I bought Limbo in a Steam sale after Indie Bundle V, it counts as a bundle game.

It's not a big deal, but it seems unfair.

Works for me.

Just want to ask, is it possible to give a separate game from Humble Bundle? As I recall you dont get "leftover" games from HIB when you already own some of them. If this is correct, is there even problem with games in HIB?

I like it, Atleast I won't have to worry about not gifting certain games etc as the list continues to grow.

Lovin' it, great compromise. Well done crew! :)

hrm, this system would drop $80 from my contributor value and I've never submitted any keys from any bundles I've ever bought...

Super Meat Boy is a great example of this. I've bought many retail copies of it, and always had photo proof that it's retail, not a bundle key. In fact, unless if it was a game that had never been in a bundle, I always made sure to explicitly state where it came from. Extra potato sack copies, extra From Holland With Love copies, etc. Unless these are now considered bundles, even tho theyre sold through the steam store itself, this doesn't seem "fair." At all.

TBH: I'm not sure I would like this new blanket system if it went into effect. It casts a blind eye to us who are actually NOT abusing the system, but still have submitted games that are considered "abused." This, personally, kills any impetus to ever submit a game to this site again as I really don't have the time to check the list to make sure what I'm buying from the steam store and submitting isnt considered "abused." Especially if there is no way to mark it as "actually in my inventory" as a lot of these "abused" games I have in my inventory, waiting to be given away. I understand you have to cover yall's ass, but please make sure not to steamroll over people who actually contribute the right way and follow the rules.

Meh, not really fair for me. Contrib value went from $111.91 to $68.36 even though I've only ever given Steam gifts.

I've retyped this proposed solution 5 times now.. so PLEASE let me know if everything seems in order. I feel that you're making progress by giving 100% credit to people who gift things before they were in bundles, but I am hesitant about physical copies still getting diminished =(.

My best guess towards a solution is an inventory scan prior to receiving the gift and after receiving the gift, BUT before activating. Since we can only enter for games we don't own, the proof that we received a physical copy would only be possible this way since picture proof can be Photoshopped and the workload of staff to go through them is unreasonable.

To Confirm Physical Copies Were Sent:

When a giveaway ends and SteamGifts chooses a winner, I believe that there should be a mandatory (automatic or manual) inventory scan of the Receivers inventory. If their profile is private, a manual one would need to be done. This would store what they have, and will be used as a before-and-after check to confirm a physical copy was sent. Since game X's quantity is stored, you will know what they gained in the process.

From here, the Gifter sends the Receiver the gift and, before activating, runs SteamGifts inventory check to prove that it was a physical copy sent. If they had won Dead Island, it checks to see if you have 1 more Dead Island in your inventory than you did last time and rewards the Gifter with full credit. This would work even if they already had 1 Dead Island in their inventory since they would now have 2.

A few things worth noting and my input:

• Inventory is private

  • Don't let the Gifter know who has won until the Receiver has done an inventory scan.

• The *Receiver doesn't Scan before redeeming

  • There could be a small reward for doing proper scanning ahead of time which could be worth like 5% bonus contributor credit for both the Receiver (and maybe the Gifter). I know the pause between redeeming and scanning will be the touchiest part of this, but something should be doable.

Feedback is most definitely necessary. I haven't thought over all aspects and made sure that it seems realistic enough merely due to the pause before redeeming. I'd hate to have more support requests where the winner 'accidently' activated it early.

Stupidly complicated.

Contributor should just be a Y/N toggle. Want to give away to contributors? Then just make it all contributors. This is just getting more and more convoluted.

Has this already been applied? I can see some users having lower contribution amount without the /revised.