I think that's old. I have a friend on my list who only has F2P games from Steam. Maybe if they haven't played any game on steam?
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My friend was free and couldn't add people so I had to add him and give him my only copy of bad rats :(
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If they ban you, you still have your downloaded games. Therefore, you can download noCD cracks, as you purchased the games legally, and you own the right to do with them as you please.
Hence why I download all of my games. I mean, I don't expect to be banned, but yanno.
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+1 sadly. Technically, even if you buy software on physical media, you still don't own it. Though I have no sources, I've heard of at least 3 times in the US where a software developer has attempted to revoke license to software and confiscate physical copies. Read your EULAs, people.
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IANAL, but EULA's can say whatever they want, the court can void them if it deems them unsatisfactory. EU had that case about reselling software.
And if something the size of steam pulled the plug, I imagine there'd be a significant number of people out for blood.
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That just seems crappy though. I understand if they have to end an MMO game or take out multiplayer aspects in a game. But single player stuff? I don't see company's coming into your house and taking out all your board games, yet they can take all your games from steam? I really don't want to go on a rage, but it just makes me mad. Glad I found out about it sooner then later.
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Its not just Steam, its across the board, even for physical games you bought from a shop. A company is technically legally allowed to sell you a game for 50+ dollars and then 3 months down the road disable its "activation" servers and render your copy an expensive coaster, as long as they give you 30 days notice of course. Wouldnt want to upset people now. rolls eyes
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That was just an example. I highly doubt that they would add a fee, but hey they did make it. Now Valve is a respected company, but you can never be to sure about things.
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I believe I read something somewhere where Gabe said that if Steam ever does go out of business, they'll make sure that everyone can access the games they paid for. I could be mistaken about that, but given the Valve philosophy, it seems like something he'd say
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Not to forget trying to get 3rd parties to agree to let all their games go basically DRM-free. That could get messy.
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They would remove the steam DRM requirement. You still would not be able to redownload the games though.
Even if steam goes under (unlikely anytime soon) and chooses to not release a DRM patch, there is already a fake steam client made by a 3rd party. There has been on since Halflife.
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Yeah, I was thinking about that. I mean I know Gabe said he wasn't going to sell his company, but still.
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It makes me sad to think of stopping buying and trading for games on steam, but if it comes to that then I will. I don't want to be throwing my money out the window on stuff I don't even own.
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Thing is you don't technically own the games you buy on Steam, so in this case it wouldn't be legal.
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Such things like a fee to use it will probably never happen because Valve would lose more money than they would get.
When you registered for Steam you agreed to the ToS (have you actually read it?), Valve could do what they want and you can't do anything against this (but I think that the ToS in the EU are somehow invalid). And you also don't own the games on Steam, you just have a subscription to play them.
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That's what I don't like. I'm considering not purchasing or trading for anymore games on steam if its only a subscription. I really wish they would change this.
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I doubt they will change this, Valve is doing this since a long time and people like that (or at least they rarely complain). But most software only gives you the right to use it and not the right to own it. You can't do anything against this and as long as you make anythng right companies won't revoke your license.
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Well, there are sites like GOG where you download the games and own them forever. There are also physical copies of games, but they have their downsides.
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They won't ever charge to use Steam. Just like the consoles, the money is in the software sold... not the service itself. Consoles are even sold at a loss, just because they know they can recoup it on the game sales.
That you could loose your account for some unforeseen circumstance is a valid thing to worry about though. Vavle does not want to loose you as a customer so I very much doubt they would ban you for no reason... however, you could get hacked for example. Make sure your computer is virus-free and that your email is secure. If you use Gmail, look into their 2-step authentication feature so no one can get into your email account. If they do, there's a zero percent chance of you recovering your Steam account should you loose it.
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I'm not very worried about stuff like hackers, but what if a group of people accused me of something I didn't do, or something else. I do need to do the 2-step thing for gmail. I have had viruses before, but after I got my computer taken it, I've been careful about what I do on the computer.
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That could be a problem. I think the best when you are a bit paranoid about that would be to don't do anything that somehow relates to forbidden things (especially trading).
But I doubt that your account get wrongly banned and you can't get it back from support, have you ever heard of such a case?
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I am against subscriptions like pay to play games with subscriptions. Would there be any chance that Valve might change their rules? I mean, you could go to some other place, buy games, and own them forever.
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Yeah, I know about it. I really like the way steam is set up, except for the fact that you don't own the games you buy.
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They won't change it, that's how the software industry is. Nobody forces you to use Steam (only some devs that use Steam as DRM), when you find a place which you like more buy there, there is no problem. But many newer games just give you licenses.
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-Sigh- I guess I will just have to live with it :/. But then again, why should software be different then anything else. You can pillows at the store, and then you own them forever (unless something happens to them). Why should software be any different?
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Think of it like this. If you download a software, you can pirate it and you can sell it illegally. So if they give you a license, they can revoke that if they find out about it, causing you not to use it. There are ways around this but that's how they do it... I don't really care, I just don't do anything to get me banned...
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Pillows exist, software not. That's the difference. On real stuff there are warranties which work like the agreements for software: When you do something that the manufacturer doesn't want they revoke the warranty, they are just not able to get that physical thing back. On software that's possible: They can just lock you account/key and then you can't (legally) use the software anymore.
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But, cd's and floppy's you can keep and use forever.
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Floppy discs degrade/break quite easily actually. CDs and DVDs also degrade, though not as quickly, however they are far more prone to getting scratched.
All physical media is able to be lost or stolen. Activation keys lost, shitty friend "forgot" to return the disc, and so on.
Even forgoing the physical media being destroyed/degraded/lost/stolen, you are still shackled to the same kind of system the dev's decide on and in no way "OWN" the software but are allowed to USE said software for however long they feel you should be. It is perfectly legal and within their ability to sell you a "brand new AAA game" for 60 USD and then shutdown activation servers/keys/w.e 3 months later.
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You know, as much as I don't believe it will ever happen, there's that little paranoid part of me that downloads everything just in case. And of course would then use some of, er, magic to make them all work. I'm against that sort of thing really and am well aware of the (lack of) legality to it, but if they ever decided to block me out for no fault of my own, I wouldn't hesitate.
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This is why I try to not do anything wrong... On Steam, all I do is log on, play games, download more games, occasionally ask questions or answer them in forums, watch my language (just in case), and that's pretty much it... I used to do something that could get my account banned (account sharing with my brother but very rarely) but then I stopped because I didn't like him using my account, and then I found out it was against Steam's ToS so I told him never to get on it again... That and I added about 15 characters to my password so he won't be able to log in...
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You can't share account's!?! (not that I ever did). I should probably get a better understanding of the rules.
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Ya, I mean, I understand why it's there, but I think that if it was your whole family using one account so you don't all have to buy a bunch of the same game, that would be fine...
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I just read the comments and I am amazed. You will stop buying games on Steam just because you learned that you merely have a subscription for them? Just... woah. I mean, you can easily go to the local video game shop and buy a physical copy for 4x price, then you will certainly have a game in your hands. Even though it is basically a subscription, you own the game when it is in your library, so you can access it at all times (Valve rarely revoke game keys). You do not need to worry about such things, I do not know how you came to this idea...
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True, Steam could just live on forever and I wouldn't have to worry about this stuff.
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I'm not going to stop buying steam stuff, although there are other that have because of this. I was just doing random searches and stumbled upon some stuff. I guess I shouldn't be swayed by this stuff, but I'll choose what I feel best about.
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If Gabe died and handed his company over to say his son, who knows what could happen to it.
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I hope his kids are just as good as Gabe is. Not jerks that would jump at the chance to sell the family company to EA for some good money.
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It is not uncommon to see courts overthrowing terms of service/use/etc. They are not the law. Even though the company can lawyer themselves up something fierce, the law is the law and often the terms of service/etc are outrageous to the point that the court doesn't take them into consideration. Also, not creating bad PR is common sense in the business world.
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After reading your comments and thinking about it, I'm not going to worry about it. I'll continue buying and playing games on Steam as if nothing has changed. Thank you for talking about it and making me feel better.
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So basically, I have nothing to worry about, and will be able to keep the games forever unless I got banned?
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If you get banned you can still play/download your games on your account but you can't purchase new games, trade, or play multiplayer on secured servers(you can play multiplayer on unsecured servers). This was a new update to provide customers the feeling of "owning" their games.
Source Read the third subsection.
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I feel a lot better after reading that (not that I will do anything to get me banned).
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I stumbled upon some articles that made me a little nervous about Steam. I know that probably nothing would happen, but what if they banned my account for something I didn't do? There goes my account and all my games. What if they started charging a fee to use Steam? Then I couldn't access my stuff without paying money. I know stuff like that will probably never happen, I just wish I could be sure about it. That is something bad happened, you at least kept the stuff you already had. Stuff like this might have been discussed before, so sorry if I'm bringing up something old.
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