i want to use Win 8 (bought it) but i still get show stopper bugs as of 3 days ago, so i had to go back to 7. Didn't really have a problem with the modernUI interface, except some quirks here and there, but i haven't been able to use it more than a week continuously due to bugs. I didn't get to play games much in that time, but didn't have problems in that aspect.
i still have it installed on dual boot, to check from time to time how it is going
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The problem the developers and Valve/Gabe is having with Windows 8 is not the specs or bugs... it's the Microsoft shop and the thing that they will have to give a cut to Microsoft for everything they sell on Windows 8.. i think it was something like this :D.
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Except they don't actually have to use the Microsoft shop. Their entire problem with Windows 8 is that theoretically some day in the distant future Microsoft might make a version of windows where they would have to. Which personally I don't think is ever going to happen but I guess it's a good excuse to justify releasing a console of your own.
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I'm running Windows 8 and the only games I'm having trouble with are:
Poker Night at the Inventory. It won't launch with an Xbox 360 controller plugged in, but will run if you unplug it. I didn't have that problem when I was running Windows 7.
Some general Games for Windows Live issues - Bulletstorm and Age of Empires couldn't find GFWL, even though other games such as Dawn of War II could see it. That was easy enough to fix though.
Everything else runs just fine though - old stuff from Gog, new stuff on Origin/Steam all runs great. Performance is better, in general, than it was on Windows 7.
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From what I've read in this thread it seems like people may use outdated drivers or outdated hardware itself (with bad or no at all recent w8-compatible drivers), because actually w8 should be fully compatible with what w7 is, as for me I rarely had any issues at all. Most of them are fixed by 1) disabling UAC 2) running as admin 3) updating hardware drivers 4) installing windows updates (yes, there are some people who think ms updates are the prime evil of windows OS, but they are wrong since winxp).
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..yeah, Win 8 is clearly "a perfect OS for anyone". I love how every action takes only 5 clicks more and all the forced fullscreen-applications that still only give you 10% information on sight compared to the costumizable small windows we are used to etc xD
Sorry, but I worked with Win8 for a while (IT/Programming-Company, we have to keep up with the new stuff and test our software on it) and while it has some great concepts, it is clearly NOT a good OS for anyone who wants to use his PC for more that what the consoles/mobiles do.
I know the topic is "Win8 for gaming", but I choose PC over Console because it is so much more than just gaming.. and if you want more, Win8 is just awefull. Im with the "Win8=Vista"-Crowd.. I am sure they can make it into something awesome with the next installment, they just have to think everything through to the end.
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ah cm'on, you may pay 10$ (not to MS btw, to stardocks) to get Start8 + ModernMix and forget forever about this fullscreen-forced crap, so your user experience won't differ at all from win7
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And the fact that you have to use paid software, even if it is from another company, doesn't concern you? If there is a large enough market for this software to be developed to basically maintain what you had in the previous version that's a hint that it should never have been taken out. If Microsoft is as intelligent as they should be, that means it will probably resurface in some form in Win9.
The issues mentioned in that post are what concerns me and has kept me away from Win8. I'm sure it's faster and still compatible and all that - but ultimately it is an OS designed for mobile units, and directly porting that setup to a desktop does not translate near as well as Microsoft expected. Yes, you still have the option of using a traditional desktop - but if I'm going to use "classic mode" on any software I expect it to have the same functionality. Removing the start menu makes it a half-step, leaving this floating between what was and what they want it to be.
Tl;dr: Win8 has some benefits, but the radical change in interface and functionality has caused a lot of controversy. Microsoft will likely take all of this into consideration and produce a much better product for their next OS.
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actually i have a quite good one. and windows 8 rocks because... you actually never tried it? yea really, please stop posting bullshit
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of cause i can create an OS which is as good as the one of a multibillion dollar company yea sure... the metro ui is designed for tablets, not for desktop computers and its appstore is horrible. and please shut the fuck up if you dont even have tested win8, little fanboy!
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i say that it sucks because the idea behind it really sucks. if you like it you actually have a pretty bad taste, dude. now calm down and stop flaming like a 10 year old cod fanboy (oh well forgot that you ARE one xD)
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Some people dislike sex.
Its true. Anyways yeah you should try something before you say you like or dislike it, I like Windows 8, my mom does not, she prefers 7 over it and Mint over that.
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The only way that W8 suks for him is that he has seen it only on YouTube or 9GAG. Like any other incompetent PC owner who hates things witch thay don't have.
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Yeaaaa it's not really about compatibility but the moves like the microsoft game store which is sort of competition to Steam (as digital distribution platform) and of course Valve should be concerned. You may cry the superiority of Steam but if someone already has a digital store with OS and games account on Live! that practically comes with it then you practically can start whining about monopoly all over again like it was the case of Internet browser.
Win 8 hides a lot of stuff and doesn't do a good job explaining how to get to them so for normal user it may be rather confusing and jump from win 7 - a rather bad experience. But once you ignore the shit that tile UI and apps are (for a desktop machine) and (re)learn how to get to stuff like settings, it doesn't really differ much from win 7. Only thing I'm missing is glass but eh, that's some subjective aesthetic stuff.
Tile UI is a glorified menu start.. sure you don't have the button but I find myself not overly attached to it. But I was running most of the stuff via command line or search bar and this is still there so not much has changed to me. But, I can totally relate to people being freaked out where's the shit they are looking for (even I was confused at first where's the freaking search bar but you just start typing after Win key exactly the same way as it was in win 7 just instead menu start you get tiles)
I had to manually install many drivers but it's not all that weird.. I only found it weird that card reader didn't have a generic driver.
But all this is about general user FUD, not about gaming. And again, while I can relate to confusion and angst caused by switch from Win 7 to 8, I don't really have problems after some adjustments. Tile UI and apps are still shit though.
Beh, I probably still wouldn't generally recommend switching to win 8 if you have win 7, but ima stick to it simply because win 7 I had on my machine was Home edition and win 8 is Pro (took advantage of upgrade offer)
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Win8 is okey, but Win7 is in my opinion better. I dont like how a lot of my frequently used programs bug out all the time (Skype randomly drops any calls I do at about 10-15 sec in if I have the desktop skype open and forgot to close the skype "metro"-application). But what I hate the most is the lack of a start menu, I hate having a clogged desktop and have most things i use on the taskbar or in the start menu on my other computer.
To sum it up; It lacks the userfriendlyness that comes with 10+ years of "the desktop" being a certain way and then changing it. To be fair, it seems like they are doing a "Google" (more specifically what google is doing to youtube) where they are trying to make the OS look the same on all of their platforms.
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I think without any offence please, that you don't undestand that OS. If you know what sucks that much, please give us a clue so the other W8 users can check for the same.
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I have Windows 8 as my second OS in dual boot system and I have no problems with it too. I can play all the games I want and I don't have any problems. It's faster than Windows 7 too and uses less resources so they can be used by game. Most of the people who say that Windows 8 is shit haven't even tried it out or if they have - they have tried it for hour or two. Live a week or two with it and you will forget about Windows 7. Windows 8 is so much better because it's faster than Windows 7, has some neat shortcut stuff (using mouse, keyboard etc. to open things faster), looks way much better than Windows 7 (that aero stuff is shit. All I miss in Windows 8 are round corners) and many, many more things.
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Notice how he BARELY says why he it is unusable, why it is hostile, or what he was trying to do. He claims he gave up on even trying stuff like boot up tests, WHY? Win8 boots up faster than the previous OS's and heck it's even easier to sort out what it starts on boot than it was in previous versions.
This review BARELY says what's wrong with Win8, just that it's wrong. He gives a lot of complaints, but never says why he is complaining or gives any grounds for them. He is just bickering.
Now, the first half-specific thing he complains about, IS the start menu. The "control" part; which complains that Windows 8 start menu requires your screen to be a touch-screen, now, either he is too dumb to use a touchpad, or he is just REALLY stretching for things to whine about, because come on, right now, go grab a laptop, install win8 on it, try it out. It's not rocket science. Then he goes on to complain that the computer manufacturer didn't put the windows product key on the bottom of his PC (flip your laptop over and look for a product key), which he blames on Microsoft - But isn't it a lot safer to have it only visible IN the computer settings, rather than on the bottom of the pc for all to see? He then fails to make a recovery disc, which you do the exact same way you would in Win7, or heck even Vista. Now, about this time, halfway through, I got tired of listening to his complaints and stopped the video, because it was really clear he was just a 12 year old with the voice of someone older.
THIS is the problem with most Win8 complaints, people just whine and moan; never actually explain what's bad about it, or when they do, it's just because they are upset that it's something new that's slightly different (despite the reviewer saying he's "not just" complaining about the fact that it's different; that is in fact what he does).
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+1
Also the author of this video is just one another SIMPLE WORD HATER, nothing else.
I'm staying with the fact. TRY IT ALONE THEN JUDGE IT.
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I only watched like 8.5 minutes in but I can already tell that review is just someone who didn't know how to use the thing. He says at the beginning that it wasn't because he wasn't used to it but that's precisely it. Windows 8 comes with things that you DO need to learn. I get that that's one of the points (that it's not completely intuitive) but at the same time you can't just call it "unusable" because you don't understand how it works. He complains about not having a way to shut off metro apps; well, did he ever think to just look it up? Then he complains about the switching apps motion being the same as moving the cursor motion on the touch pad. I don't know what his settings are or how he's using his touch pad but that's absolutely wrong. It would only be the same motion if you're using all your fingers to move your cursor (which only an idiot would do).
So yes, Win8 comes with new things you need to learn but that does NOT make it "unusable".
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I have it, no issues with games. If anything less issues....I prefer its start menu and honestly all they really did was make it a bit faster and add in a couple features. Should you upgrade if you have 7? Probably not unless you want to, 7 is still fine for most if not all but 8 is just an upgraded 7 in reality once you get past Metro.
People will bitch about any change, if history hasn't thought you that already. People also flipped out when they added a start menu in Windows 95, made a scene for them to add in the older layout, funny part is little used the 3.1 UI.
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Most of the complaints I hear about Win8 is about the start menu, and anyone complaining about it is just failing at using the new one, which, is, better. It's faster and easier to navigate once you take 5 minutes to learn it. Windows 8 is a great OS, and people's complaint are basically just that they are unwilling to learn small / new features that it brings or changes.
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Well, how do you explain nobody ever used the windows-key on the keyboard in the older Windows-Versions? Because it was easier to just klick on the Start-Button with the mouse. In Win8 you HAVE to use the windows-key, because otherwise you´d have to do a combination of gestures, klicks and waiting-times (only halfs of seconds, but thats awefull enough for every advanced user) to get to a FULLSCREEN-Startmenu wich is pretty much the worst idea they could´ve come up with.
The functionality of the Metro-Screen is nothing to complain about, but so is the Win7-Startmenu, wich is easier and faster to reach and doesn´t require me to change into a fullscreen-mode.
In terms of functionality it might be good, but the usablility is just awefull. And its not like the start-button took up so much space that they had to remove it or anything.
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Wait what? You have to use the windows key to open the metro (new start menu)? I can click in the same position that the former start menu would be, and it opens, with my mouse, no problem. And am I the only one who used the windows button before? And frankly, back on my previous machines (before win7 mind you), it could take a second or two for the start menu to pop up. Now don't get me wrong, it would be smart of Microsoft to add a built in toggle that lets you choose between the two, I don't see a reason why not, but the new system is not as bad as people are saying. It's been at least as fast as Windows 7 for me, and in some cases even faster due to the shortcut functionality it adds.
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Do I understand you right? You have some kind of Metro-Button where the Start-Button used to be? It sure as hell wasn´t there from the start in the version I installed and use at work, but as you tell it, it seems like it can be at least attached to the taskbar and would make it a bit better.. its still unbearable with fullscreen and all, but yeah, every little bit helps, so thanks ^^
The big difference between Metro and the Win7-Startmenu is pretty much "using it" insteat of "changing to it". In Win 7 I just use it, in Win8 I have to switch into a Startmenu-Mode. The new functions are great for some occasions, but when I work with a PC I need to be able to multitask and just use everything on the screen as it is and not do five steps and change a view-mode to make button X appear in an area that was previously empty anyway.
I think Windows 8 could´ve been awesome.. the Metro-Stuff has its nice sides and for Mobile Devices I like it much better than iOS or Android, the base-concept to unify the OS is very nice and the technical side seems to be well done too (it runs fast as hell), but you really have to be able to do everything without changing the modes. The big issues are the Startmenu and the missing ability to run Metro-Apps in a Window on the classic-desktop, but there are a million smaller problems that just have the same roots.. everything takes 2-5 clicks more and everything goes in the direction of beatuy>functionality. I dont believe people nowadays have two big flatsceens on their PCs just to fill them up with lots of empty space..
The only way I would enjoy Win8 as it is now, would be with a 3rd "Metro-Only"-Monitor.. I´d like it even more than Win7 with this setting.
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Googled a quick picture to show what I mean, when I drag my cursor to the lower left corner, this shows up infront of the taskbar: http://www5.pcmag.com/media/images/303850-the-new-start-button.jpg and it's essentially the same as the old Windows start buttons in the lower left corners of previous versions, it just opens up the Metro interface. I'm running on a Win8 version from.. I think November? I've been patching it whenever it asks to do so as well.
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Ah I see, thanks for the information. The reason I did not see this before is the reason why its just one more concept they did not think through completely: When you use multiple monitors (wich is common practice nowadays), those "corner-gestures" become nothing short of a pixel-hunt. In this case its bad if I have my second screen left of the mainscreen, but when I switch em and put the secondary screen to the right (or even use 3 monitors), I would have the same problem with the charms-menu. I can still use the corner of my secondary screen, but this is again less pratical then using the Win-Key on my keyboard (you know, the one nobody used before, because it used to be easier to just klick on "start").
Still, its good to know about this little button, especially for our support crew that has to deal with Win8 on the PCs of our costumers, so thanks for the info :)
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Just leaving my opinion here, I used Windows 7 for about a year or so felt OK not much different from vista, Now i upgraded to windows 8 i was hesitant at first from all the crap people say about it but i have learned not to believe all bad comments.
I was amazed at how much faster windows 8 is than 7, yes im not crazy it is much faster than 7. And so far i havent seen a single error/crash install problems on W8, all my steam games work fine (over 500 games)
Sure windows 8 is a little different, the start menu might make some people mad but underneath all that it is still very much like windows 7 and vista, dont like the new menu? fine install one of MANY MANY programs that brings the old start menu back. My suggestion is TRY IT before you bash it and not just install it to say you did, actually get to know how windows 8 works dont go by what your friend told you because he read it somewhere in a blog.
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Windows 8 is a threat to computer gaming. It's a "catastrophe," if you listen to Gabe Newell at Valve, or heads at a bunch of other major gaming companies. But the thing is, even though everyone in video games is yelling about Windows 8, they're not actually yelling about, well, gaming.
So what's actually going on here?
I'm the one of the many Windows 8 users and I must say it out LOUD, Windows 8 is a perfect OS for anyone. There is not one game that has any problem starting, chrashing, buging etc.
I've got a normal (normal PC) with 8 GB ram, 9500+ Phenom 64 bit processor and a 2GB ATI Radeon HD card. So during the last two months I wanned to try it out and after all Windows 8 runs way better then any other like W7,XP etc...
The discussion is open just to see if any other Windows 8 users (REAL W8 USERS not the haters who had never seen W8 live insted of YouTube) have some problems with the named OS or any other issue...?
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