Cheating?
I have seen people do this in the past to get full CV. If the leak is wrong, they can just delete the giveaways. I don't remember, but I think support may have set the bundle date to the date it was leaked instead of the date the bundle was released and I feel like that is what should happen.
Edit: There is no way to prove whether someone really had a key to give away and it was just a coincidence or if they cheated the system, so I don't see how they can create a rule against it. For that reason, I think the leak date should count as the bundled date if the leak is correct.
Edit 2: A couple years ago, I commented on this leak about how people can abuse the system and get full CV, but I don't remember if that was the one where I saw people doing it.
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Generally speaking, if the leak is true, we'll use that date as the bundled date.
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Does that apply to all cases from before or will it be like this from this point onwards if this type of scenario happens again?
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It should be across the board, but we have to know about it.
Even if it was an obvious leak in the past, that doesn't mean it was properly noted/corrected. We have made VERY old changes to the table once we have found out about it.
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not sure what would happen in this case, but support would probably pick the date when the bundle was announced to add it to the list.
anyway, the game is $12. people can cheat all they want, it won't make much difference in their cv.
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Like I understand the leveling system, you may can get full CV now, but it will recalculate your CV ones the game is seen as a reduced value game. If you look it your Level carefully, you will notice, that sometimes the level is dropping. I had a situation like this when I first reached lvl 6 and short time later felt back to lvl 5
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Nope it wont reduce. The date of the bundle relase is taken account when reducing the cv. But it takes some time to add to list so changes apply after that date. So it is retroactive in that aspect. You wont lose your CV just becacuse something got bundled after a while.
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You wont lose your CV just becacuse something got bundled after a while.
No, you absolutely WILL lose CV because something got bundled after a while. Just do a quick search and you'll find a bunch of "my level went down" threads where this is exactly the case. It even happened to me.
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bundle relase is taken account when reducing the cv. But it takes some time to add to list so changes apply after that date.
This is what your you are talking about, maybe if i make a picth clear if bundle startes 10th March and CV drop can happen on 17th March since that is the date it is added to system if you make on 7th March it wont drop or on a note entriely different your CV will go down if the game price goes down regardless of date.
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you will lose CV only if you made giveaway AFTER bundled date.
If you made giveaway before bundle date, then you wont have reduced CV....
Due to games being added to bundled list manually, it may take several days or even weeks before a game gets added to the list. So if you think you are being smart by creating a giveaway after getting a game in a bundle - the value will reduce.
You can only lose CV if a game reduces price in steam itself. If you give away 40 EUR game and after a while publishers reduce price to 30 EUR, you will lose 10 EUR from CV. But thats got nothing to do with bundled games and their valuel.
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I'll try to phrase this as politely as I can:
Why would you try to give advice when you don't have the slightest idea what you are talking about? (as is evidenced by answering one of the most basic Steam Gifts related questions incorrectly)
I'm not saying knowing the ins and outs of SteamGifts is important. It's absolutely not. But why would you give advice when you have no idea?
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Because it really did happen to me. I gave away Tacoma and The Norwood Suite shortly after I got them from Humble Monthly February 2018. Then, several months later, one of them got put on the bundle list with the second being put on nearly two years afterward, and both times, I lost CV because of it. However, Life Is Strange Complete Season (Episodes 1-5) was part of that exact same bundle, yet it was never added to the bundle list (heck, my giveaway for that game ended AFTER the other two). I just assumed Tacoma and The Norwood Suite were part of another bundle or were discounted heavily afterward and the change was retroactive, not that staff simply forgot to put Life Is Strange Complete Season (Episodes 1-5) on the list as well.
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Hard to tell after so much time but regional pricing is also often the reason why games get added to the Bundle list. If the game has been sold for less than 5% of the US store price anywhere on the world it will also be added to the list.
Two other things to consider are that nobody was in charge of the Bundle list for quite a while after our old Bundler, shobo, left the site so the list wasn't up to date for at least 6 months if not longer.
The other thing is when it comes to Humble Monthly games there has been a change of policy due to non trustworthy key reseller sites.
Those games used to count as unbundled but because you could get the less desirable games extremely cheap from key reseller sites and people were taking advantage of that Support had to change that and they now count as bundled. (But not retroactively from earlier Monthlies)
Sorry if I came off rude it's just I see that all the time and it makes it soo much harder to explain to new people how the site works if there's so much wrong information going around.
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But what was the "wrong information"? Now, after further explanation, you're agreeing to devonrv... So it wasn't wrong after all?
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Not really. I'm just listing exceptions when it can happen that games get retroactively added to the Bundle list and why.
you absolutely WILL lose CV because something got bundled after a while
I took that as that he thinks if he gives away an unbundled game in January and it then gets bundled in August ALL giveaways, even those prior to August, will now count as bundled which is simply not true.
If anybody wants an example for that simpy check my Real CV Sent with SGTools. There's tons of games that now count as bundled but still grant me full CV because I gave them away before they got bundled. (i.e. Poly Bridge )
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Project Highrise is another example.
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There are also enough examples for losing CV after a game got tagged as "reduced value". So I guess it is a 1:1.
Nevertheless it's all OK. You're right with what you are saying (see your examples) and devonrv wasn't all that wrong. I just was irritated by your rude tone.
Have a nice day :)
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Yeah, I was probably being a bit overassertive.
You, too! 😉
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It depends on whether SG will choose to retroactively add the bundled date as the leak date, in which case this would be countered.
If they don't, then it should not be a problem. Although you might be frowned at for the attempt at doing it on purpose. Fortunately, as has been mentioned, it's not a huge deal in the overall CV picture.
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It might be cheating in a way yeah, but I guess its a creative way. Personally wouldnt lay awake if people do it, nor do I feel inclined doing it myself as I would have to buy the game to gift it if the leak was wrong, as deleting the ga is more scummy than the cheating imo. Stay safe.
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Two questions: What did the staff here do last time such a leak happened ?
Code to detect someone attempting this seams easy enough. Just show a graph showing the number of giveaways the game was getting each day for a few weeks leading up to the bundle date any time the staff go to set one. The spike will be obvious.
Are you willing to take the risk of the bundle date being backdated to the leak date ?
Whatever the staff decide to do here, I'm hoping they announce it so we all know for next time.
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The ones that would use it to cheat, would use the deletion too. And loosing only one GA spot for that don't hit someone.
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Nobody would think they won because the giveaway would be set to end after the bundle is supposed to start. If the leak was wrong, the giveaway creator will delete the giveaway before a winner is chosen. Nobody will know the giveaway was deleted unless they were entered and then go back and check their entered giveaways to see that it was deleted.
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Whether you get full CV or reduced CV is based on the date you create the giveaway, not when it ends. Let's say I created a giveaway for an unbundled game now and the giveaway is open for 2 weeks, then that game shows up in a bundle 3 days from now. My giveaway ends 11 days after the bundle started, but I still get full CV because I created the giveaway before the bundle was available. This is the correct way to do CV because I paid a higher price for the game before the bundle price was available.
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Because it takes time for the higher ups to add the game to the reduced cv list?
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CV is based on when you create the giveaway. If you give away a game when it is full CV, your giveaway will never be dropped to reduced CV unless you were originally meant to get reduced, but you created the giveaway before the site was update to reflect that.
If there is a bundle today and you give away a game from the bundle today, you may get full CV because the game was not dropped on SG to reduced value yet. Once SG updates the site to correctly mark that game as reduced value with todays date, your giveaway will then drop to reduced value as it should have been originally and you will lose the appropriate amount of CV. Anyone that created a giveaway for the same game before today will keep their full CV because they created the giveaway before the bundle was available and they will keep getting full CV for that giveaway forever.
CV is based on the full retail price Steam price in US dollars. If you give away a game when it is $60 and later that game is permanently reduced to $40 on Steam, your CV will drop from $60 to $40. This is the only way you will lose CV. Temporary sale prices do not affect CV.
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It is based on the creation date. Unfortunately, it's purely a manual effort to add games to the bundle list, and sometimes things get missed/caught later.
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It depends on the creation date for the giveaway itself.
Example 1:
- Created on 2020-01-01
- Bundled/Leaked on 2020-01-11
- Giveaway ended on 2020-01-21
- Bundle status updated to 2020-01-11 on 2021-05-01
No CV reduction, giveaway began before bundle date.
Example 2:
- Bundled/Leaked on 2020-01-02
- Created on 2020-02-12
- Giveaway ended on 2020-02-22
- Bundle status updated to 2020-01-02 on 2021-05-01
CV will be reduced, giveaway began after bundle date.
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If the cost on Steam (not temporary sale price) changes, then no matter when a giveaway is created, the P value - and thus the CV - changes. This can go both up and down, but typically it goes down as devs/pubs reduce the price as games get older. This is also automatic as it is fed from the Steam database, not any action on our part .
Anything else would be the changes as I described above.
I feel that people often also complain about losing levels without actually understanding how, when, and why it happens, so that's at least another reason you could have heard about it.
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So the leaked date is taken into account for a game's bundled status over the 'actual' release date? So in the case of Rover Mechanic Simulator October 15th?
I always assumed only the actual release date, in Rover's case November 6th, was looked at to keep things simple for crew.
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Yep it would be possible, I just checked for the first Choice which was released on 6th of December 2019 but was leaked on 24th November: The games are set as bundled for the 6th December.
BUT I just checked the first two pages for GAs ending after/on the 6th December for the most expensive of the games (Shadow of the Tomb Raider) and there was not a single one which started before the 6th (I couldn't check the invite, WL, group ones of course)
So maybe with this post you will give people an idea that they didn't had before :D
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You must remember that those who try to "cheat" their CV value are mostly those who don't want to spend so much money therefore they most likely not spend 10-12$ on it ;)
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For me, the CV will be reduced, even if the GA of this game will end before HB Choice start.
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This makes me curious,
so recently there's a leak of next months' humble choice, and what makes me curios is that if I make a giveaway of Rover Mechanic Simulator right now (and make it end in 30 days), it will give me full CV, despite the bundle not being released yet and me not having the key for it. If I were to continue subscribing next month's choice and get the key (if say the leak was true) and successfully deliver it to the winner, theoretically it will grant me full CV for it. Isn't this kind of cheating the system or is it allowed? XD
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