So a few minutes ago I noticed this thread and, by the time I clicked on it, it had been closed due to necroing. Along with a warning to the poster that he will be banned if he does it again. Even though there's nothing about necroing mentioned in the rules.

This reminded that, for quite some time, I've been bewildered by the attitude in most forums toward old threads. People will routinely yell at anyone who posts something that already has a thread, but also yell at anyone who posts in existing threads if they happen to not be very recent. Surely, it's better to build on what already exists, than to have the same conversations over and over again because you're not allowed to continue the old ones?

Returning to the thread in question, I fail to see how it is not relevant or outdated or whatever other reason there might be to close it and start over. It's an interesting topic, and I would have liked to see more people's opinions on it. And it's not even abandoned, having last been updated yesterday (check the OP).

And yes, I realize I'm using a horrible example, as that specific necro poster completely missed the point of the topic and deserved a warning for spamming.

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......you have an amazing point, but you should probably submit this to support, as we can't change anything.

EDIT: Watch this thread die, get necro'd, and the necroer gets banned.

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I'm not so much trying to change the rules of the site at this point as trying to gather other people's opinions on the issue. Maybe there's a solution to the "Search for existing threads before you post but don't post in the ones you find" problem that I don't know about.

11 years ago
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release the flow of Darksider's and Red Faction: Armageddon's <3

11 years ago
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i don't find it a problem if they actually add on to the topic instead of just random spam to necro threads.

11 years ago
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it wasnt necro'd though!!

the original poster jsut updated that thread yesterday! that swhy he was posting a reply on it, so why would a mod give someone a warnign when the thread creature is the one to necro his own thread?

crossbourne is in the wrong on this one and he should apologize to the OP and the commenter

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That's actually not true. While the OP did update the thread, edits don't push a thread back to the front page, so it's the commenter that necroed it. And the "last edited" part of the OP is not something Crossbourne could have easily spotted.

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either way, as long as a thread's main post is updated regularly, no matte how old it is, it is an active thread

11 years ago
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Because we don't have actual forums and limited organization.

We need actual forums. >_>

11 years ago
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Agreed, but it'll never happen.

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Stay away from black magic and necromancy, everyone knows its bad juju.

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spirit fingers Baaaaaaaaad Juju I say!

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We never come down on people for making new threads. That's just douchebaggery on the part of other users. If it's someone asking about trying to give away DotA 2, or even posting the 26th thread about the new bundle, that's one thing, but expecting there never to be more than one thread about any given topic is just plain dumb.

As far as bumping old threads, I treat it differently based on the content. If they're adding something relevant and substantial to the conversation, I ignore it. If they're adding non-content like '+1' or ':)' or anything else that adds nothing to the discussion, they get a light suspension and I close the thread. If they are insulting or abusive toward another user, posting referrals, or otherwise breaking the rules, they get 2 weeks and I close the thread.

In short, post all the new threads you want. If people whine, they're just being dickheads. Posting threads for discussion is the whole purpose of the forum.

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The commentor on the example thread was adding something relevant, in this case their opinion, and then the thread was closed and the commentor was warned to never do it again.

What's your opinion on that?

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Strictly speaking, it was not actually relevant.

"My question is, WHEN do you think should I listen these OSTs?"

"Braid. Most definitely Braid."

The poster clearly didn't even read the OP. That said, you'd have to ask Cross about it. It may have been reported, and we will usually act on reports unless they are unreasonable in some way. I didn't do it, so I can't speak to his purpose, motivation, or method.

11 years ago
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I understand now, thank you.

But with website moderators and support I really wish they would have a type of decision on it, not just one person doling it out...

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I see, thank you for clarifying. And this needed clarifying, as a lot of forums have specific rules about not making a new thread if one already exist for that specific topic.

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No problem. We generally try to promote discussion. If someone wants to talk about something, there's no reason they should need to go digging to try and find one other semi-relevant topic from a few months ago. Having the whole front page spammed with threads about the same thing is obviously undesirable, but that rarely happens except halfway with things like sales and bundles, and I've never seen that get out of hand. The community polices itself pretty well with those.

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Also, why is it necessary to close necroed threads? Wouldn't deleting the offending comment send the thread back to the deep inner sanctum of the forum archive that it came from? And if it doesn't, could that possibly be added as a feature without much work?

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No, deleting comments only removes them from being seen on the page. They're still there as far as the site is concerned, and the thread remains bumped. The auto-closing for threads used to be much shorter, on the order of 2 or 4 weeks, I believe, but it was decided that was too short, and it was extended all the way out to 6 months, so there are a lot of very old threads hanging around still open all the time. It should probably be set to something more like, I dunno, maybe 3 months? I actually went through and closed a ton of old threads once because we had a rash of bumping for a while. I closed every thread over a month old that popped for search terms like 'sale,' 'question,' and other things that were irrelevant ages ago. At that time, I had personally closed over 5% of all threads ever made. :O

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That's a slightly odd one since the OP had updated it recently.
On the other hand, the discussion itself had stagnated and died three months ago.
Imagine if your real life friends start talking about their day, and it's not that interesting, so the conversation doesn't go anywhere. And then, three months later, they bring up that same day. Sure, the conversation might go somewhere with this new chance at life, but most likely, it's still an uninteresting day and now it's also from three months ago, adding to it's crappiness and it should probably just go die quietly like it was supposed to.

[edit] Maybe a better question would be: "When is it good to necro a thread?", and in this case, the person who necroed absolutely did not have a good reason. [/edit]

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The thing is, a lot of the people who see the thread now didn't see it back then. So it's like talking to a different set of friends. I'm guessing the people who are bothered most by necroing are a forum's most active users.

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Necroing is bad because it has posts written all over database and to load that one thread server has to do job normally spent on 3-6 normal threads. SG has issues with loading times, so it's best not to do that...

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Interesting, I never thought different threads could have a different server load. Could you elaborate though, I'm not sure I understand.

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Posts are numbered sequentially. From 1 to whatever number most current post is. When you make bunch of posts in thread at the same time, they all have close numbers, and only small portion of post database needs to be read. You necro and suddenly it has to load not only current chunk of database but all the old ones...

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Necromancy is a dangerous art that should always be practiced by professionals under supervision.

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Where wan we get our Necromancy doctorates for now ?

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Embrace necromancy!

XDD

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I don't know/understand that either. a blanket rule against posting in old threads is stupid(and strangely universal on internet). sometimes its entirely relevant and seems foolish to start a brand new one to discuss an old(but recently relevant again) topic. I guess its to prevent gumming up the forum with old crap but really it makes useless extra copies of old preexisting threads for no reason.

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It is true that we don't have any set rules regarding necroing. What I personally believe is that if a thread is more than a month old, the subject that was discussed in that thread was done and over with. If a user wants to discuss it again, s/he can create a new thread with a link to the old thread if s/he wants. That would allow for better discussion, as users' opinions may have changed over the time since last comment. That's also why (in my opinion) there is a set script that automatically closes every thread that wasn't commented on for more than a month.

I would also like to point out that we never do censoring. The only time we closed threads was because either users started calling out, or the discussion came to a point were it could no longer be civil. We don't close threads based on whether we like it or not. Every thread, even those that can be considered as "spam" by some, stays open unless it goes out of control or the OP decides to close it himself.

Before I begin to explain why I closed it, I'd also like to say that if you think something is amiss, you should INFORM US DIRECTLY by using support. Not all support members may check the forums, and important stuff, like this one, may go under the radar. It's best to inform the support staff and the site admin if a staff member is going out of line.

In my defense, I checked the thread (because it was interesting to me as well), and saw that the time difference between the last comments were 3 months. I've closed threads on SG for necroing before, and I've applied the same to this one. However, it was my fault that I didn't see the "Last Edit" part. That was a mistake on my part, and I apologize for that. In my opinion, it would be better if there would be a comment about the new soundtrack additions to the list. That would also keep the discussion alive. But I'm not trying to defend what I did was right.

I opened the thread again and removed my comment. Again, I apologize for any inconvenience that I may have caused. But please. Next time, if you see me or some other support member do something that's wrong (even if it's just a thought), let us know through Support.

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"People will routinely yell at anyone who posts something that already has a thread, but also yell at anyone who posts in existing threads if they happen to not be very recent"

+1

Internet is full of raging yelling kids.

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It isn't.

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leprosy

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Closed 11 years ago by Vercinger.