Is a persons name and address really worth that much effort? With all the information that you can find on the internet today, you would think that there would be an easier way to get the info.
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Yep, can confirm that this has been going on there for several months if not longer. Happens with popular video games all the time and I'm sure numerous other items. Whatever Amazon is doing about it isn't enough.
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Maybe they try to take the money before Ebay/Paypal force it from their accounts?
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I bought one a couple weeks ago before I realized this was happening. I think it was $79.99 and it was one of the mini models that sells for $230. The seller had good feedback and knowing that I am pretty much guaranteed to get my money back if I don't get what is listed, I bought it hoping it hoping to get lucky.
I think within 30 minutes of buying the item, I got an email (real, automated email from Ebay) saying that the Ebay account was compromised, the listing was deleted, and I should request for a refund. I put in the request and got my money back after a few days.
You can go through the recently sold listing and see that they are all being deleted within hours of when they are sold. If the listings are being deleted that quick, I would think that the person that listed the item is the one deleting it as well, especially since they continue listing the same fake item on the same account. If Ebay was the one that deleted the listing and knows the account has been compromised, they would probably lock the account and contact the true owner.
If they were trying to get the money, they would leave the ad alone and let the buyer think the item is being shipped so they have time to get the money.
Edit: I just checked and I received the email saying the order was canceled exactly 30 minutes after I received the email when the order was placed. They probably have a bot creating the listing, canceling it exactly 30 minutes after the item sells, and then creating another listing for the same item.
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Strange - when I ran into compromised account recently (when it wasn't immediately obvious), they saw it through to the point of marking the item as shipped after receiving payment. Naturally, that took a bit longer to resolve - the lack of tracking info made me suspicious so I reached out to eBay. They had me wait until the window for shipping was up, then supplied the refund. I haven't sold anything through eBay so I don't know what kind of escrow there is for a seller. I got a refund, got to keep my eBay Bucks from the transaction, and that was that from my side.
The rapidly deleted listings thing is odd - that would be a red flag for me, as I check seller histories now to see whether they've been active in the last 6 months and whether they've sold tech items before. There may not be a single playbook they're working from, and there might be some thieves that try for as many transactions as possible vs. those who want to stretch it out over time to get payments to clear.
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I'm sure there are all different kinds of scammers out there. It seems you encountered someone that wanted to scam people for money and withdraw it before anyone noticed, but in my case they didn't even want the money.
Also, you would not know if the seller was rapidly deleting listings by checking their account because in this case they are somehow marking the listing as fraud by saying their account was compromised and they didn't create the listing. Once they delete the listing 30 minutes after it is sold, it does not show anywhere on their account, it's like it never existed. The only place I see the old sold listings is when you search the site for previous sales of an item, but that does not show the name of the account who sold the item.
Edit: It also looks like when they delete these listings, they only show in the search history for 1 day and then they are removed, so you cannot go back and see how many thousands of times this has happened, you can only see the last day. When I posted this yesterday, there was 75 of these deleted listings from Aug 2, now there are none, you can only see the 3rd and the earlier ones that never got deleted for some reason.
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if he cancel the listing then ask you to ask for a refund , there is an odd that the you forget to ask for a refund and still end up with the money once the time limit is reach
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I guess he could get the money if someone ignores the email and never requests a refund, but if they wanted that, why not just wait a little longer for the money to go through before canceling the order?
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Maybe the Paypal paymentl will coincidentally not work and you'll have to send the $30 by Western Union or something
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Could be various things, my guess would be 1.:
- ye olde lure scam > create fake listings ebay or anywhere with very cheap prices that would make sense in
order to fool genuine sellers in lowering their price to compete > once someone falls for it they'll buy it (happens probably a lot)
if someone buys the lure > "it broke/its gone" and likely no consequence >re-listing follows with alt accounts - rinse and repeat - ye olde scam > send money by wire and receive nothing (esp. in ebay europe money by wire isn't uncommon)
- unlikely ... might be some other purpose > "laundering of sorts money/goods" ???
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I have considered this. Ebay shows a current trending price and having all these very low sale prices would lower that trending price which may trick others that don't know what their item is worth to sell it cheaper. The problem is, I'm not sure if Ebay counts the sale price towards the trending value if the listing is deleted. Also, this seems like a big operation with thousands of listings just on one item, I'm sure they are doing it on other items as well, so how would this large of an operation benefit just by lower what others sell their items for? Maybe they have a bot that posts these fake listings to get the trending price down and then if someone posts a real item for sale at a low "buy it now" (because of the low trending price), the bot will automatically buy it and then the buyer can resell it for a profit.
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This is not that type of scam. The seller cancels the listings right away (30 minutes) after the item is sold and then if you have sent the money, Ebay will send it back. I know this because I bought one a couple weeks ago. This is explained in one of my replies that I linked at the end of the original post. Unless they are getting the money withdrawn in the few days it takes for Ebay to refund the money, but then Ebay would be losing a ton of money from refunds of thousands of items. And if that was the case, why sell all of them for $30 when they could sell them for $100 and they would sell just as fast and make a lot more money?
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In this case, I don't think there is any money or goods being transferred, just a fake item for sale and then it is canceled right away. Not sure how that would accomplish and kind of laundering.
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Didn't know there even was a trending price, either i missed it or its not a thing my ebay region. Either way if its mass listings for GTX 1060 - it might be crypto coin miners (1060 are good for some) trying to lower the price, how don't know - nor would i personally take any price suggestions i can easily estimate elsewhere.
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I just checked a few items and I don't see the trending price shown. I don't know if they removed it or if the seller has the ability to choose not to display it.
I found a screenshot of what it use to look like. Also, it looks like Ebay had some kind of price guarantee where if the seller did not get as much as the trending price, Ebay would reimburse the seller with some kind of coupon for the difference.
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That makes me think, I wonder if SG would work if you had to buy points instead of having them generate automatically from the giveaways created. You would have to deposit money into your SG account which gets converted into points at something like 100 points per dollar. There would be a lot less entries per giveaway, but I think it would have to be called SteamRaffles instead of gifts.
Although I don't see why users would create giveaways on a site like that if the site owner is keeping all the money, unless there is some kind of benefit for giving away games.
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If you had to buy points it would probably be considered an illegal gambling website in the US.
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But you are not winning or playing with money, you are using points, isn't that how some places get around the whole gambling thing? Isn't that kind of how arcades work, you get tickets from the machine if you win and then you can trade those for items. I think old casinos did something similar where you would trade money for an item, like tokens, and then you use those to play with so that you are not playing with money.
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I am trying to find a used GPU
You have chosen a bad moment to buy a GPU, almost all 1060/RX 580 are out of stock so the 2nd hand GPUs are more expensive than brand new ones.
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Yup, I am looking for a GTX 970 (upgrading from a GTX 580 and don't want less than 970 performance) to get the best performance per dollar, but even those are priced high right now. Used GTX 970s were selling for $130 and sometimes $120 if you got lucky, but I waited a couple weeks too long before I decided to upgrade and by that time it was too late. Now most of them are selling for $170-220 and I am not going to pay that much knowing what I could of got one for.
I don't mind waiting till they come back down, but I keep a couple Ebay searched saved and check them every once in a while hoping to find a good deal. RX Vega will be released on the 14th, maybe some people will upgrade from their 1060 and I can get lucky, but probably not considering I don't want to pay over $150 for the 6GB 1060.
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I don't want to pay over $150 for the 6GB 1060.
That's simply impossible right now, you will not find a 6GB 1060 for less than $250-300 even in the 2nd hand market. Probably you could find an old 970 for that price if you're lucky. The 6GB version of the 1060 and the RX 580 8 GB are the most used GPUs for cryptomining (more memory=more performance for this task).
If you don't mind waiting there will be probably new stock in September-October, so we should hope the prices to go down again.
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I don't expect to get a 1060 for that price, that is just the limit of what I would want to spend on it based on the performance and the price I can get a GTX 970 for.
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Then get a 970 or wait until there's new stock of 1060s. If you are ok with a 970 then you could look for the 3 GB 1060 version too because the 4 GB of the 970 are really 3.5 and you'll get better performance with a 1060 in any case.
The 3 GB version is not used for crypto by almost nobody so there are chances to find better deals for it. Probably the same case as the RX 580 4 GB, but this one is more powerful for crypto so there'll be less chances.
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I would be happy with a 970, but not at the current prices, so I am waiting for them to drop again. Like I said in my previous comment, they use to sell for $130 or $120 is you get a good deal, they are now going for $170-220. I am not in a hurry to upgrade and price for performance is the most important factor for me. I just wish I bought one before everyone started mining on GPUs again. It has made the price of all GPUs go up, not just the ones they mine on.
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I wouldn't get a 970. A 3GB 1060 is about the same and cheaper.
http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-970-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1060-3GB/2577vs3646
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In the US, a used 970 will cost about half the price of a 3GB 1060 giving double the price/performance. Before everyone started mining with GPUs again, used GTX 970s were selling for $130 or $120. The cheapest 3GB 1060 sells for $220 and that is the mini single fan model. Unfortunately, I didn't know prices would skyrocket and I didn't buy one in time. Now I am going to wait and hope the prices drop again.
Also, those used 970 prices I mentioned are for 3rd party cards like the Gaming X, I have seen many of the cheaper blower style or the EVGA ACX 2.0 cards sell for $100-115.
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I was thinking of new prices. I don't think I would want a 2nd hand Bitminer's hardware.
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I bought GTX 1050 for my friend from china for $100, and it works like a charm
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Other than a much lower power consumption, the 1050 performs about the same as the GTX 580 I have been using for almost 4 years. I am looking to upgrade to a used GTX 970 or better. The 970 is older, but it will provide almost double the fps of the 1050.
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Same thing happens on amazon. Fake sellers, mostly in China, will sell the most popular products very cheap, then "shipping" takes a very long time, long enough for the payment to clear (something like 3 weeks for new sellers, I think) and by then you realize it's never coming. PayPal/eBay/Amazon is stuck refunding your money and the fake seller gets banned, but not before they already got paid.
One item I looked at recently on Amazon, half the sellers were fake. All selling for the exact same fake low price, all new sellers with zero feedback, all using uppercase seller names, all shipping from unspecified location. I bookmarked them and within a week they were full of negative feedback and eventually removed from selling.
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This tactic is being used in most trading areas out there and even worked on Walmart before. Source It doesn't surprise me that users are doing this for a popular piece of equipment to trick genuine sellers from selling at this price and this individual / organisation snags the real item at that price. Its a cheap trading tactic especially to trick inexperienced users, so always do your research around :D
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Data mining of people's information which then gets collected and sold to a third party for advertising/spam purposes.
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I am trying to find a used GPU on Ebay and almost every day I come across very cheap "buy it now" listings that are clearly fake. What is the purpose of this, what does the seller get by creating the fake listing? Ebay and Paypal will just return your money when you don't get the item, does the seller actually get the money and Ebay or Paypal is taking a loss to return the buyers money? I don't see how they would get the money, the Ebay ads are deleted right after the item sells and then people just request for a refund right away.
Here is an example of a GTX 1060 that is for sale right now for $30 shipped. Edit: Looks like someone bought it and it was deleted already.
Take a look at all these recently sold 1060's for $30. There's 75 that sold yesterday alone. Link Edit: These listings that are deleted only show for 1 day in Ebay's sale history and then are removed. The 75 fake listings I saw from Aug 2 have all been removed and you can only see the listings from yesterday now or a few older ones that have not been deleted for some reason. This means you cannot see the thousands of times this has been done in the past.
Edit: Here's a reply I wrote below with some more info about how they delete the ad right after the item sells. They are not even trying to get the money.
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