The only issue is that 85% of the users on here are level 0 so when a GA is set to level 0 there will be a whole lot more entries lessening your chance to win.
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Yup, that sums it up. As level 0 you have as much chances to win as anyone else in the same GA, but the GAs you can enter all have a very large amount of participants.
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I have won my first or maybe first two games as level 0. It is just a small chance, especially since there are a million registered users and level 0/level 1 are filled to the brim with auto-entry bots that fill up the entry list of most giveaways.
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there are some way to validade real user from bots? if have some kind of re-captcha...i dont know...
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More like an educated guess.
For example: If a user is online 24/7 (often in 20 - 30 minute intervals) that usually points to a bot in my experience.
But there are many other ways to tell... talgaby has been doing some experiments on it.
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Maybe consistent intervals suggest something, I dunno---but just being online 24/7 only tells you they've left a tab open.
,,,or I'm a bot programmed to think it's human and does stuff, while actually here. always here. O_O
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I didn't mean for a day or two but rather extended periods of time like several weeks ;)
,,,or I'm a bot programmed to think it's human and does stuff, while actually here. always here. O_O
You're in a desert, walking along in the sand when all of a sudden you look down and see a tortoise. It's crawling toward you.
You reach down and flip the tortoise over on its back.
The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over. But it can't. Not with out your help. But you're not helping.
Why is that ?
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Describe in single words, only the good things that come into your mind about your mother.
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(originally was going to mention I think I've got my computer/browser on enough that if I was here that often I'd only get like 48-96 hours of sleep a month in super inconsistent chunks---but it only strengthened my fears of bot-body)
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The first time I read your reply I missed the "if I was" part and became super-jealous you can pull that off because with the current heatwave I'm sleeping almost as much as a sloth :D
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You can use upside-down tortoises to measure time ; if you leave them in the sun for 60 minutes that's exactly one hour.
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"...just being online 24/7 only tells you they've left a tab open."
That is incorrect... you could leave a tab open all day and it wouldn't show that you're online - unless the page is refreshed, you go to a different page, or you simply open a separate tab to SG. You can test it yourself by leaving a tab open for 30 mins or so (due to there being a delay in showing when someone is offline), and then open your SG profile in incognito/private mode.
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Oh? If that's the case for the site normally, then I guess I just mistook something actually related to a site mod or mod setting, likely a header-refresher (updating win notifications, messages, points etc), and they're pretty widely used.
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That's indeed a good indicator as well.
Although one time somebody who I suspected of using a bot because they had more entries in 4 month than I've had in 2 years actually convinced me that they are not by explaining that they've been basically living on SG during that time and not picky about what they enter :D
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Ok... so I'm adding 550:40 ratio on top of 130k entries "argument".
Checkmate!
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Oh no, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying the guy you were talking about wasn't a bot.
I just wanted to point out that all the methods I've seen so far are just educated guesses. I haven't seen a definitive way to tell yet.
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I was joking ; D
Too bad that smile doesn't translate well into plain text.
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I could have probably picked that up by the Checkmate ;)
That's true. I've had something similar a few weeks ago where I went ballistic when the other guy was just teasing me :D
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but it's entirely possible, really. I remember 3.5 years ago I basically lived on SG for 4-5 months. I broke a knee which is really serious leg injury and for first 3 months I couldn't even get out of bed - eating, peeing, shitting, taking bath etc - everything in bed with your leg hanging 50 cm above to avoid any potential injury. So in this time all I had was my old crappy laptop (I couldn't even get up to sit in front of PC) and books. So I was on SG for like 12+ hours a day (well not just SG, but SG + Steam chats + making my stupid puzzles). So I can imagine someone sitting on SG all the time, because it's what I did back then ;p
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Indeed. Actually even without a good excuse like being bedridden I've had days where I spent almost as much time on SG.
I almost managed to "escape" last month (only 16 comments in July) but today my addiction brought me back :D
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by your standards i'm a bot xD i leave browser open when i go to work so i show as online only time i'm not online on sg is when i'm playing cause pc cant handle both lol
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Yeah, but your number of comments probably puts you on the safe side. (Unless they're all generic script Thank Yous :P)
But as I said I've seen several different approaches but haven't seen a surefire way to tell yet so they're all just educated guesses ;)
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xD well unless a bot can reply like this then i'm safe xD
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24/7 (often in 20 - 30 minute intervals) If you add being suspended for more than one month, and being online in 30 minutes chunks during the suspension, to this, you got a bot for sure :/
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Can you ask for a reroll if a bot won? :( I mean, is there serious discussion about bots here, because it's extremely unfair.
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Sadly not. I'm not sure if the problem is that it's very hard to tell for sure or if they are silently tolerated by cg because they cause a constant flow of traffic to the site enhancing ad revenues but bots have been a problem for years and nothing has been done about it.
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You can also use SGTools, but that may exclude non-bot users
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Right now, only by hiding invite-only giveaways.
As for the magnitude, I'd like to show this giveaway that inadvertently now calls out for real humans to say something. So far 6 confirmed actual people showed up out of 371 entries. This is the chances you have against potential bots.
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"As for the magnitude, that this giveaway"
Either you are very good at hiding, or me very bad at finding, or you are missing a link
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Heh, thanks for pointing it out, it was just a half-finished post. I fixed it.
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Lol i don't even get a thank you after giveaway is won let alone having everyone comment before hand :)
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Normally I don't get any either, but after a while I learnt how to subtly prod the users in certain directions, from time to time.
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I've won 10 gifts, including a couple of AAA games. Exactly one of those was level-restricted.
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I see, nice to have answers, cool, did not expect, thanks people!
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my last win had 1000 entries and it was lv0 <3
the one with the worst chance to win for me was a public lv0 ga with 3566 entries
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That feeling is awesome xD i just won a giveaway with 600 entries, i felt the luckiest bastard that day.
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Back in May I won a level 0 giveaway out of 3046 participant users and the creator disappeared and didn't send the game. So the risk is greater with level 0 ones but it also feels nice when you're playing against the odds :).
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There are the lvl 0 I won, while being a lvl 0 at the time.
https://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/sXMd7/rollercoaster-tycoon-deluxe
https://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/Soyku/nidhogg
As a lvl 1 I won these lvl0
https://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/uqppm/escape-the-island
https://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/TMbSg/poker-night-at-the-inventory
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I won 3 games + 1 massive giveaway (10 000 copies) before I gave my first game. That was a few years ago and those were complete indie titles, but there is a chance. But that can take you a few months.
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I won my first game when i was level 0 (714 entries) one day before i created my first giveaway. So it´s possible, you just need to be lucky because level 0 giveaways tend to have a lot of entries.
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Also, if you're a lvl 0 and don't want to see lvl1+ on your giveaways list, just use the configurations menu
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The best lvl, as far as most people tend to say, is LVL2 ,as there's even less people, not a single bot(probably), and not so much less GAs.
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not a single bot(probably),
Hah! You wish. Less bots is a more accurate phrase. Bots are pretty much confirmed to at least level 8 and even dozens of level 10s use various automated or simplified entry methods that may be bots, may be simple userscripts for 1-click entry.
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It's possible. I've won level 0 giveaways too. It's just a bit harder to win them because of all the participants. And people tend to make giveaways for higher levels or with a lot of restrictions, so the level 0 giveaways keep decreasing.
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I was lvl 0 when I won my first game, it was a public GA with nearly 900 entries.
If you enter a lot of GAs eventually you'll win one. You just have to be very patient and accept the fact you probably won't win THAT game that's on top of your wishlist
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well i will enjoy my first giveaway, \o/ thank a some nice user. so happy! :) will play my game now - Thank you for everybody answers!
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No problem. A tip I can give you is using Humble Monthly to get games you'll probably don't want to create giveaways. did it this month, got some nice games for me and for my GAs.
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Well this month wasn't really good to do it, since all games are on bundle list now. :P
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BTW, there's also the groups giveaways. If you're under 7 wins, you can enter Unlucky 7, which is a good way to star winning some games you really want.
https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/w3p0l/unlucky7-a-group-for-those-that-won-7-or-fewer-games
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Looking through the discussions page, you may see some invite-only giveaways and group invites. Good luck.
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And additionally, there's Playing Appreciated, where you just enter games you are interested in playing soon.
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there sure is
in the last 2 months I've been blessed by RNG, lwon 3 with around 2000 entries each, and I only enter those I'm actually interested in
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2 of my 21 wins are from level 0, not region restricted or anything :)
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It only becomes 0% if you don't enter the raffle. It's just like wishing wanting to win lotto but you don't buy lotto ticket.
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One of my first winners was a level 0 with 40 wins. At the time I had 2 gives and no wins. He now has over 100 wins and still never given anything away.
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I am not a genius, but i would say everybody has the same chances..if he can join a specific giveaway.
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Bot or not its still a user. If he is a bot who just leech the games but dont give anything then blacklist him, you will not miss him.
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My first win was when I was level zero. I think I didn't believe that this site actually works til there.
Since then I got deeply involved because the whole SG community really brought me into the PC gaming world.
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Hi Everybody,
I
m new here, and please dont feel offended by the question...but, im wandering...There a very few real desirable games, and i do not want to disparage minor games, i really think every giveaway is an act of kindness.
(even because i`m more indie game person then a triple AAA like) but there a lots of good games with some kind high restriction, or is it certain the impression that you have to donate more to receive?
And if a i giveaway, i will giveaway a game that i will like to play, but do not misunderstand me, it's just a question, does level 0 have already won some game that would like the wishlist for example?
Thanks for attention! :)
GIVEAWAY : https://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/73LR4/evoland-2
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