once there longer support by the developer there normally put into abandonware stuff which consoles 1~2 gens aago arent classed as supported unless like the wii u there playable with wii games
this also applies to most pc games older then about 5 years but most of those are so cheap or have been brought out again by gog (had to drop it in there some ware lol) or other sites like them
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Download them, why not? Their time to buy them as a cartridge already passed....You should not feel bad for that, I just download all games for emulators I need, but lately not playing on any emulators, but I have a bunch of Game Boy cartridges in my house too. The games my conscience not allows me to pirate are PC games, even most of my Android games are originals from Humble Bundle.
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I still buy PS2 and Gameboy games whenever I can find one I lack.
It isn't like I'm short of games to play, so I see no reason to pirate them.
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Piracy is when you steal something. By downloading and playing a game, or listening to movie, you do nothing but cracking the game, not pirating. Pirating a game means you go in a store and you steal the CD of the game. Digital stuff can only be cracked (or downloaded if it's about music), but not pirated, since the one who made them does not lose any kind of money, like they would if someone stole a CD that cost some money to the seller.
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This is untrue - the copyrights on 99% of older games have not expired. It's still considered piracy to download them, although honestly the developer/publishers/rights holder most likely don't care at this point.
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I think there are some games in which the rights holder renounced their copyright claim, which is why I said 99%. In addition, I am sure there are some countries in the world that don't have as strong copyright laws and that may expire sooner.
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It depends on your location. If you're not in US or Asia you can always pirate games BUT sharing them is illegal in some regions (EU for example). Download ROMs (games on consoles) not using P2P (torrent) and everything will be fine. I'm not sure about downloading in US region but it's definitely illegal to share games.
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I'd say when a system's games aren't being sold from a manufacturer in any form then you could only be hurting collectors those of whom don't want the ROM's anyhow. So, unless you want to pay sometimes ridiculous ebay prices I say go for it until and if they come out on a virtual format of your choice for sale. I'd not feel bad if I made a game and after it's run and my income from it stopped it became pirated, I'd be glad someone still wanted to play it.
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I don't see how you're hurting the collectors, you're helping them by not raising the demand for the games they're after. The only people you're hurting are those people who hoard games which go off the market to make a profit, something which I personally don't support.
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Well. Roms are TECHNICALLY illegal. They are already out there, so whether you download and play them or not won't make a difference. As you won't be buying them, you might as well find a way to play them. Up to you. If it doesn't feel right TO YOU, then don't do it. Wouldn't enjoy it if you're feeling guilty the whole time. If however you view it as practically abandonware... Then have fun!
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well pirating old consoles doesnt seem that of a bad thing, the games probably are already out of retails so they wont give the developer any more money, so you wont be stealing any profit, hope that made your conscience better
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this is true, I cant play a game on emulator for long but on the console i can
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with nintendo consoles you also can play roms on the actual console
(on snes,n64,gb,gbc and gba this works)
like others have mentioned look for them as digital download on newer consoles first and only if there is no chance of getting it legally use roms until you find the game on second hand market somewhere.
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Ive done this with a lot of games. Id download them and play them, find I enjoyed them and then end up buying a legal copy, and in some instances more from the series. I originally pirated Bioshock 1, and ended up liking it so much I pre-ordered Bioshock 2, which to this day is the only game Ive pre-ordered.
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People don't understand the terms "piracy" and "pirating"... When you pirate something, it means that you STEAL something that has a negative impact on the seller. For example, if you steal a CD of a game, you are pirating the game, since you steal the CD as well, which had a cost for the seller. When you CRACK a game, there is not negative impact on the seller, it's just something digital... Otherwise, Youtube is illegal by all means.
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thats exactly what it doesn't mean. if you're walking into a store and stealing a cd thats stealing a cd. if you're pirating it you're making copies of that cd when you don't have any right to do so and distributing them, or getting copies from somebody doing that. it has a different word because the loss of money is more hypothetical and people like to argue that it isn't technically stealing by the strict legal definition of the word even though it is by the real day to day commonsense definition, one of those letter vs spirit things, so they use its own word. but you're doing it wrong.
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You are a **ing idiot if you think there is nothing wrong with downloading games illegally*, which is* piracy. Seriously, you make me want to slap you.
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Its semantics. Morally to some pirating is the same as stealing, but he is arguing the semantics of the term stealing and piracy (wrongly). Stealing being the removal of a physical object from the owner, pirating being the theft of a digital copy.
Its like saying an orange isnt a fruit but an orange, or something silly like that.
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Pirating is when you cosplay Ezio and parkour the shit out of ships
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Last I checked, going into a store and stealing a physical CD is shoplifting, not piracy. Cracking is a way to remove unwanted checks the program may run to see if the game has been illegally copied. People usually crack software they have obtained illegally, to bypass any copy-protection checks the software has put in place. Cracking software is just as illegal as pirating a game.
I wholeheartedly agree with Delta's and Gannet's reactions to your ignorance, and add a slap of my own.
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Once GFWL goes down, everyone will need to start cracking those games that don't migrate off.
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Piracy is not a bad thing if it's an EA/Activision title, if it is from some indie developer or CD projekt, YOU ARE A MONSTER!
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I'm sorry, your other post is incorrect and ****ing stupid.
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if its not available legitimately anywhere and second hand sales(don't affect the owners of the game anyway) are rare or overpriced people generally call it abandonware. its not a legal word and is still stealing the software but it means the feeling that the owners don't generally care/can't be bothered to notice or enforce because they weren't making any money on it anyway. ....but if they decide to rerelease it that goes away. so people generally feel less bad about that. (though with sites like gog its less common for something to have no legitimate way of buying and much that was listed as abandonware is now commercially available again) of the piracy excuses abandonware is one of the better ones, but again not a real thing legally
nintendo does like releasing old titles though(and one of the sillier parts of copyright law is to keep it you have to defend it, thats what gets daycares taken down by disney for letting the kids paint spiderman on the wall)
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My view on it is that since there is no way to buy it in a manner that would support the developer of the game, so how you obtain it is your own business. Of course if it does become available on a current system that is another story entirely. Pretty much it's a legal grey area and since many of those devs and publishers may not even be in business any longer there isn't really anyone to enforce the copyright.
So in the end, do as you wish, just be sure to support a re-release if one happens.
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Well, you can play GBA games on the NDS as well, but as for the games, i can't really help you. maybe buy them used on ebay or something. But in these cases i'm not really against piracy. Once a game has been sold out, there's virtually no harm to be done in pirating a game.
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AFAIK, in the US, even if you own a valid working copy, its still considered piracy to download or make a digital copy. Same applies if you download a crack to remove DRM to make your legally purchased product playable. Copyright law is a freaking joke.
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When it comes to copyright law in the US a big part of it is what the copyright holder wishes. Thing is, it's such a damn complex beast that pretty much you'd need a lawyer to sort it all out.
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Will the people whose hard work you pirate suffer any loss? Not financially, unless the game is available in the "new copy" format, wether digital or retail. And absolutely not if more and more people try these out-of-print games and make them popular, since some publishers might notice their still existing popularity and consider funding a sequel or reboot to them.
Before some bigots try and stone me for this, I mean the really out of print games that are only available as used copies for resell.
EDIT - if you want to help your devs whose work you pirated and liked, maybe buy some of their now available products, even if they aren't that good. I think that's a good alternative.
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Will the people whose hard work you pirate suffer any loss?
The answer is no, period. Even if you managed to find a new copy of an out of print game from say ps1 or GBC/A, the people that actually worked to make that game wont see a single cent, frankly neither will the dev/publisher. Buying used copies never pays the studio or the original devs either, old or current gen.
An updated or released version is just that, an oversimplified copy+paste that doesnt reward the original developers at all. The only thing that COULD happen is, like you said, if there is enough interest to spur the studio on to make a sequel of the series.
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I think publishers shouldn't be able to complain when they stop making a game available and people start pirating it thereafter. Any sales of the real copies after the fact will usually be used copies and will make them no further money, only profit to the people who bought it while it was available (think of the traders who sell games no longer in the Steam store, for instance). I see that as more wrong than 'pirating' a game in order to play it while it is unavailable for purchase. Think about how many people bought FF VII and VIII when it was released on Steam and have been playing them on emulators for so many years, how much physical copies of the PS1 games were going for before they were released on PSN. Is it wrong? No, I do not believe it is.
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I can't pirate because my conscience doesn't allow me to do it. But I really want to play some games from GBA. Console and games for it, are now almost impossible to find. So, if I pirate them, will it be a bad thing?
PS If they'll become on Virtual Console for WiiU or 3DS, I'll definitely buy them.
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