Thanks, and favor returned (even just for your good ratio alone).
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If my eyes don't' work... I hope you win that RE4 as a late cake day Gift!
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Thank you, personally i already had this game, but was just inquiring for future ones.
I did win https://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/vV4wA/lumote yesterday after my cakeday and giveaways ended, so can't complain. :)
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Congrats on the win.
I won 2 today! I'm on a lucky streak for a Friday 13
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Whitelist solicitation. Do not ask or hint for other users to whitelist you, unless they are explicitly asking or searching for such users and you fulfill their requirements.
I thought this point of the guidelines is clear now. OP did not search for new users to add them to WL.
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So since we can't even have a counterword when someone does get suspended.
You really need to chill (i'd use two more words, but i refrain myself) down, second time you getting me on such a minor thing like you love hunting down people, getting up in the morning, grab your coffee and get to work like that.
Did i ever remotely mentioned the words "May I be on your whitelist, or please please can i be?" THAT is asking or begging, this is taking that line very lightly.
OP was giving a whitelist giveaway so hence it SHOULD be possible to just simply ask what his/her requirements were.
I never did sollicit nor beg for it to be on it, but as usual the new guidelines are still taken on the whim of whatever mod is available, and if she/he likes you or not.
We got a whole world in fear over this Corona, and you seriously felt the need to suspend me 4!? days over this, seriously what's on your mind? (i don't even want your reply you already had your say with suspension).
END OF DISCUSSION.
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OP was giving a whitelist giveaway so hence it SHOULD be possible to just simply ask what his/her requirements were.
No, if they do not as for it. Fact someone is making whitelist giveaway does not mean users can come, asking about joining requirements or to be added. There is not exception of "if you see whitelist giveaway somewhere you can ask about joining requirements or to be added on the list".
Rule is clear: unless they are explicitly asking or searching for such users. There is no wiggle room here. Don't try to create your own interpretations, when rule directly lists what conditions need to be fulfilled. And all other situations are against the rules obviously.
We got a whole world in fear over this Corona, and you seriously felt the need to suspend me 4!?
What does it have to do with anything? SG did not suspend it's rules "because of corona". People are not allowed to break rules because we have pandemic. You received standard suspension, so don't know why you list length as something "bad". Or use virus outbreak as a justification.
i don't even want your reply you already had your say with suspension
And you could appeal if you thought suspension was not justified. We have other moderators, and moderator that issued suspension does not reply in connected unsuspend tickets.
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If you say so. But you will not make your action any less against the rules by writing this.
Just limit such comments to "whitelist recruitment" threads (or where creator explicitly ask for users to post "whitelist applications"), and there will be no problem.
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"Whitelist solicitation. Do not ask or hint for other users to whitelist you, unless they are explicitly asking or searching for such users and you fulfill their requirements."
Then the rules are not clear apparently to you and me, again I did not asked nor ever hinted if i can be on someone's whitelist.
I asked in a form what their requirements were, nothing else, if even asking about requirements is against the rules, then they should be mentioned as such, do you see in that guideline sentence anything about just asking what someone's requirements are or something similar being suspendable? I don't..
You are interpreting it way too strictly and to your own liking (as often been the case with previous mods here), and as often your case.
Did i ever use Corona as a justification? Don't put words in my mouth there, there are various degrees of rule breaking, let's say someone swearing, clear begging, trolling or something like this (i still dont agree i broke anything given the sentence above).
All i meant with it was that there are just worse things going on right now in the world and you could have just used a bit more common sense (for minor stuff).
And yes personally 4 days for something like this is still just ridiculous in my opinion, if it would been just 1 it be a different story.
And like we all know that's gonna help asking another mod, especially in 4 days, did you ever replied back to me about the situation
how whole groups get to level 5 and above on free games, and you said "oh yeah, but uhm that's gonna take a lot of work to sort out all those previous free games and add them to the list."
And I offered to help take some of that load off, and did you reply back? Or does it really take you 2-3 months to come up with an answer?
You gonna keep ignoring it, and you nor anyone else is gonna do anything about retroactively adding all previously free games to the no CV list, because it's too much work and you rather seem to suspend people over minor stuff.
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Do not ask or hint for other users to whitelist you
Why do you ask about user requirement to join whitelist, if not to be added on it? If you ask about requirements you hope creator will check your profile, and if you qualify - they will add you (like it happened here). Creator did not ask for users to apply, nor they listed any requirements. That's all that matters.
We got a whole world in fear over this Corona, and you seriously felt the need to suspend me 4!? days over this, seriously what's on your mind?
You are the one that brought corona virus into discussion, and put into the same sentence as "seriously felt the need to suspend". Why else would you use it? You can explain it. You didn't write "I did not write something that breaks the rule enough, so why need for suspension"? You used "fear over corona (...) seriously what's on your mind".
All i meant with it was that there are just worse things going on right now
There are always worse things going on right now that suspending users on the internet. War in Syria, every 10s one child dies due to poor nutrition and diseases caused by it, fact that hunters kill endangered species to cut horns and sell on black market etc. And common sense has nothing to do with overlooking infractions because "there are worse things going on right now". If they spot you in London littering you will pay 150 pounds fine. They should not stop to fine people because there is a war in Syria.
What I wrote in the ticket was:
To be sure we'd need to check all games one by one, find corresponding giveaway on imgur / reddit / gamehag etc and add those to no-CV list. Which will be even more time consuming than browsing old bundles to look for missed games. So if you know which games were free but not added to the list - you can write their names here.
I didn't use dismissive tone you tried to achieve here with "oh yeah, but uhm that's gonna take a lot of work ". I just wrote what would need to be done to "stop" few users from trying to cheat CV system. After I already wrote I do (when I can spare some time) browse old bundles or reddit to find games that were not added to bundle / no-CV list. So I agreed with you, fixed problem you mentioned initially and explained what would need to be done in the future. But did not have time for followup later.
And about:
And I offered to help take some of that load off, and did you reply back? Or does it really take you 2-3 months to come up with an answer?
I am not the only moderator here. There are at least 7 other (plus support staff that can also see tickets in other category) that log into SG. But we have private life, families, hobbies. So we may not have time. Fact that I found some time to reply to you back then did not mean I had time to reply few hours later.
And I really don't understand why you bring this here with attitude of "you started to reply so you're obliged to reply later" (whole and did you reply back? Or does it really take you 2-3 months to come up with an answer?). Other moderators could also answer. So they are as much "guilty" as I am. It is normal that complex tickets are solved by more than one support member. One will write initial reply, other will write follow up, first will again write reply and 3rd will forward case to person that can close ticket. I don't understand why you use fact I did not have time to follow up on this ticket (on top of everything else I do), and someone else from support staff didn't pick it up, against me here.
I am not responsible for actions of other support staff. Or lack of thereof. Not to mention that if I personally have 1h to sit on SG I will prioritize trying to solve some of request new winner or deletion tickets, when I see that we're closing to have 50 - 100 in backlog. Or other tickets, as people have problem with regions, re-rolls, sending gifts. And seriously, not everything takes 2min to solve. Sometimes I may sit for 1h and solve 10 request new winner tickets. So if I see unsuspend tickets about "I removed games from account, unban me!", "you can't suspend me, it is violation of human rights!", "i asked for game, but it's first time, so why suspension?" - I will not answer.
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-Because OP posted a whitelist giveaway link too, if you post it for the public then tell us how to get on it, if not i simply ask.
If it were all invite you had a whole different case, and wether i was hoping he put me on it or not, that still does not refrain from the point i made, that only specifically asking for a whitelist is suspendable in that guide line and not asking what someone's requirements are.
Some others are really strict in their requirements i could as well not made OP's requirements, i am on 1000 whitelists do you think 1 more or less bothers me, let alone i would have to ask for more?
-Uhm no, I don't think police will give a ticket to people who jaywalk or drive 5km too fast right now and have other priorities too that are more important.
Right now a friend in the south mailed me how people are hanging a flag outside their house (because people passed away) and ambulances are everywhere, so police must be around there too i assume, she is scared as can be.
But if you want to compare it to that, i was biking (slowly) twice (with years in between) where it wasn't allowed and a cop saw me and twice i got the warning "you better step of your bike" and i complied, they very well could have given me a ticket there too, like you with a suspension here and being a mod there is common sense too, especially when we are still not agreed on if there was actually something suspendable there.
-Correct you not used that exact line, but i simply didnt want to look it up but i just tried to summarize it as basically it was a lot of work and that part is correct.
Sure you might not have had the time to reply a few hours later, but not for 2-3 months after you first time immediately did reply? And because you did, you knew what i asked (and how important it was).
Even then so i never "demanded" a full reply but even if you forwarded it to the next person then A reply would have still been nice that someone else will pick it up, if i remember right, some mods actually do that,
And maybe a very good suggestion for CG to have an automatic system that if you push some forward button we can atleast get some notification.
Because in this way many will start to think it gets ignored as it happened years ago when a support ticket could be left open forever, i still close them once a while after a few months have passed.
And if there are 7 moderators and it's not your fault (which means then theirs is what you are saying) and tickets are still unanswered for months then there still is something wrong with how that system is going, isn't it?
When CG appointed new mods, 2 or 3 already quit, are all those 7 that you mention even active?
Then maybe you'd all need to adress to CG that more mods are desired.
One thing you might find it stupid or what not and simply not answer those ticket examples you mentioned but some simply are just little kids/ignorant
If noone is telling them what they are doing wrong then result, they will just do it asgain...and thus you get such tickets even more, just a tip, and maybe also where the "communication error" happened in my ticket.
Why i said end of discussion in my first reply is because i didn't want to take over OP's thread with this sort of discussion (and usually just end up with your right, i am right).
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And I offered to help take some of that load off ...
While your offer is appreciated, I am not sure it would be good for your emotional health to sign up for an endless task.
Support is a (mostly) thankless job that sucks up as much time as you give it. It requires the ability to seek common ground and resolution with "difficult" people while remaining calm and reasonable. It also requires selflessness, humility, the ability to acknowledge and correct one's own mistakes, and dedication to the welfare of the site and CG's vision above and beyond whatever your own vision might be. To top it all off, you can expect a constant barrage of vicious, personal attacks as your reward for donating any of your time and effort. (Just check the forum for public examples.)
Few people sign up for that, and even fewer last for any length of time.
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I did not offer to become a moderator, i have no desire, as i said i only offered in helping finding and creating a list for games to be added to the no cv list because i saw a lot of people that became level 5 or higher just on those, it still happens.
Whenever you see a free game being offered and just check someone's profile, in all these past years i also took those free (garbage) games from gleam.io and marvelousga f.e, so i know fully well what's been free or not.
For example i saw a whole list of previous free games posted on gamehag's facebook page, and i said like i could do that (even though it doesn't has to be my job) and someone else the rest, yes it's a lot of work but i feel it has to happen, and save tickets too (as many put a disclaimer "let me allow a deletion if this key won't work").
Mskotor immediately replied the first time, but then for 2-3 months the next reply is pending, you can check my ticket if you want, but my offer has dropped now (because i do indeed don't have the energy and time right now).
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Yes, I was aware of all that before I wrote my response, above. My first point is relevant to the last line in your response to me. My second point is relevant to your posts in this thread. My third point covers why we are constantly short on Support staffing. As for my fourth and fifth points (which are implied), you may ignore those as they are mostly for MSKOTOR.
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Not entering anything, just here to wish you a happy Cake Day :)
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Happy Cake Day, trueunderbreaker ^^/
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where the fuck did the 8th piece of cake go? did mickey just inhale that sucker???
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Ahah, that's a VERY good question indeed x'D One should never underestimate Mickey's cake eating skills!
Alternatively, note how he generates a spiraling shockwave, which exponentially grows in strength as it progresses full circle (the last piece being propelled the highest, despite being farthest away from the point of impact). My best guess is that the 8th piece was either obliterated or compacted into the others by this secret cake-splitting move, even before leaving the center plate.
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Hi everybody, I just wanted to share some cake with you guys, sorry for the clickbait. Both are level 1+.
https://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/hpEpn/cat-quest
https://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/Qek9C/disgaea-pc-digital-dood-edition
And a little something for my WL, this is one of my all-time favorites.
https://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/2eh2r/resident-evil-4-biohazard-4
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