Thanks for commenting to let us know that you don't care about the thread you are posting in.
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this shit ain't an invasion and it ain't sudden.
cops fucking let them in, then took selfies with the motherfuckers.
they had manpower to hold the building until miltiary/national gaurd breaks it up, if they cared. but the protests are in support of the fascist in power so they dont see ot as a threat and don't care. Police arent here to protect you or the sytem, the protect private property and the people in power. Not the rightly elected people in power tryna make a change, but the ones who further the corrupt system.
And it's no fucking suprise the open fucking facist who's disregarded every facet of the constitution ain't gonna peacefully hand over power.
Fuck boots, fuck fascists, fuck Amerikkka
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good police don't fucking exist. They cant in this country. Police have never protected the constitution. rights arent real, they're just the things the people in power say you're allowed to do. the constitution is just a living document and upholding it provides no moral significance. The constitution once support slavery and the cops who upheld that were bad.
But the supreme court ruled that cops don't have the duty to protect citizens from harm, so by your logic any cop who murders citizens to protect private property, ignore citizens who are being harmed and don't call out other cops who harm citizens are all good because they are upholding the law.
I believe police should serve the public good, and in the framework of Amerikkka that is impossible so all cops are bad. And all "goood" cops also tolerate and dont call out or stop the bad one, and in most cases actually actively protect them so they aren't good.
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"any cop who murders citizens to protect private property"
great example florida
where cops murder two civilians to recover ups truck from robbers as is their purpose, to protect private property, the collateral damage of civilians is irrelevant to that cause.
"f a copy sees an assault or murder and doesn't report it then it could be considered them covering up a crime, making them an accomplice to it."
then you don't understand law, there is no duty to report law that would make you an accomplice for not reporting.
some crime such as abuses will be a mandatory duty to report for law enforcement in most areas, but scotus have rules cops have no duty to intervene and protect people who are subject to that crime
"When someones life is at risk a cop should do their best to save them,"
but scotus has literally ruled they don't have to try, they can literally just walk away.
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Communists vs fascists hmm...where have I seen this before
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The police removed the gates because they didn't want people to get pushed into them and suffocate or get trampled.
They assumed they would be able to stop the people at the stairs, but that tactic backfired quickly.
As for the selfie, that cop was going to be in that selfie anyway, he should not have posed for it, but he was still doing his job...standing around holding back the potential surge.
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I figured something would happen. I more expected Trump to have to be removed from office in cuffs.
I hope that still happens!
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One can still be 100x more peaceful while not being absolutely peaceful.
If 10k people riot and 1000 do violence, then it's 90% peaceful and 10% violent
If 10k people riot and 10 do violence, then it's 99.9% peaceful and 0.1% violent
0.1%x100=10%, simple math.
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Most people don't deny there was a different level of physical violence.
They do however notice that the Trump government reacts differently to a protest by Trump supporters than to a protest by any other group.
The physical violence was obviously less, but at the same time the violence done to the democratic process in the US was very high.
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Since when is that news? Just like any leftist government reacts differently to a protest by violent anarchists trying to destroy public and private property (perfectly fine because it's aimed at dirty Capitalists daring to own something) and a protest by violent nationalists trying to beat up foreigners. Both are bad, period.
Democracy was lost in USA a long time ago when you decided that instead of 1 party Communism you must have 2 party Capitalism where both parties are on the right, one just a little bit further. A real working democracy has lot more parties and actually working voting system as well. Not talking about any assumed fraud but just laughing at how primitive it is.
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I love how you repeat right-wing talking points.
"Everybody on the left supports Antifa"
"Everybody on the left supports babykilling"
"Everybody on the left wants to kill your grandma"
"Everybody on the left thinks all drugs should be legal"
If you really think that way, are all the Left-wing talking points about the right also true?
"Everybody on the right wants to lynch non-whites" describes you?
"Everybody on the right thinks rape is a woman's fault" describes your opinion?
etc etc...
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I am kinda hoping for the meme presidency to end with a nice gif or two of the Thug in Chief being dragged out of the WH by secret services but considering some of his cult members are about as crazy as he is, I'd prefer it if he managed one minute of presidential dignity in 4 years. Just one.
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There's a pretty good coverage of the events, including several scenes close to the intruders, by ITV News.
https://twitter.com/MattGarrahan/status/1346959244051013634
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Is the Capital on fire yet? It's not a "peaceful protest" otherwise, or so I learned on news past year.
As total outsider, it's rather interesting to see how people respond to the different protests over the year.
I remember how people absolutely lambasted me for not supporting the previous riots. Somehow I doubt that'll be the case here. It's interesting, no?
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A civil rights protest where people want to stop being killed simply because of their race isn't the same as a riot where people want to perform a coup based on conspiracy theories
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A violent looting and burning spree still is no kind of peaceful protest. 29 people were killed in those in 2020, this has only one shot now because they actually posed a threat to some politicians unlike everyone else who seemed to be more interested in taking selfies. Not to talk about the huge differences in property damages both private and public.
So if I say that I'm against racism and claim you're a racist fascist, am I justified in coming and burning your house down? It's perfectly OK as long as I call it a peaceful protest myself, right?
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Pretty telling that there was an attack on a government building to try and change the results of an election, broken windows, breaking and entering, even a death, and you frame it as "fun loving folks taking selfies"!
Not going to give your bizarre strawman argument about burning homes credence. Violence isn't acceptable but it's an unfortunate consequence of mistreating your citizens. This has nothing to do with fighting for human rights, it's simply intimidation and violence for the sake of political purposes.
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Huh? The one that got shot was the only one that was actually violent towards the politicians, this was verified by an ABC reporter who witnessed it right on the stream. You're still comparing breaking couple windows to burning down stores, cars etc after looting them of anything valuable?
Black criminals felt mistreated because they might get killed by cops while doing crimes. Trump supporters felt mistreated because they got told by their leader that they had been. I don't really see either as somehow superior reason to riot in the streets when both are simply made up.
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Proven Fact. Biden admitted in an interview to knowing about the tap. Obama declined to comment because it was his admin.
Please stop passing fake news.
https://www.kimt.com/content/news/Ex-FBI-agent-pleads-guilty-to--572114241.html
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This is related to today's events how? You going to start linking Pizzagate stuff next?
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If you cherrypick one bad actor you can write off the whole movement 🙄
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On page one of the playbook. It's right in between "targeted victim blaming" and "rampant gaslighting."
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Be careful not to blow down your flimsy strawman, they can be quite fragile.
I’m sorry that you’re having a bad day, Starwhite. But, I’m not here to serve at your pleasure and won’t be responding to you any longer on this forum. You’ve continually shown your bad faith in the countless contradictory comments you’ve vomited all over this thread and forum.
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Be careful to not use any real arguments and keep on just shouting attack names like Pokemons. Just demonstrated how silly that saying is when used for another movement. Just because you agree with one and disagree with the other doesn't mean you can have double standards for them.
How am I having a bad day exactly? I never asked any kind of servitude or pleasure from you. But if you feel like stop making false claims about my comments or anything else personal then I'm happy with that. If you however want to discuss in a civilized way you're free to do so. Either works fine for me.
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So I cherrypick, but you guys can condemn all law enforcement
on one bad actorwho protect bad actors?
Yes.
If said bad actors were correctly being dealt with under the same justice system they're tasked to uphold, then such condemnations wouldn't be necessary.
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Because there are no cops that don't protect that one person
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you blame all
You're just putting words in the mouths of your opposition. No one here is blaming all law enforcement, just those that have failed to serve and protect against their own "bad apples."
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I have never said or written those words.
For one who seems to rail against generalizations, you sure are doing your fair share here.
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I, like you, disagree on the generalization that cops are all racist killers.
However two wrongs don't make a right. The fact there were rioters (linked or not to the BLM movement) during what started (and remained for quite a while) justified peaceful protests, doesn't make an attempted coup ok.
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A coup usually requires the support on military to crush down the current political system. Otherwise how on Earth would a small angry mob overthrow the government, law enforcement and military who are against them? Refuse to leave the building and wait until they get accepted as the new rulers? It's like calling football hooligans an invading army if they beat up the opposing country's supporters after a loss. Just a bunch of angry morons who didn't pose any real threat to US democracy in any real way.
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A good case can be made that the storming of the Capitol qualifies as a coup. It’s especially so because the rioters entered at precisely the moment when the incumbent’s loss was to be formally sealed, and they succeeded in stopping the count.
https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/jan/06/coup-heres-some-history-and-context-help-you-decid/
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So what was their actual plan to overthrow the government when they got in? Take selfies together with cops or go sit in some leader's chair? Did they bring assault rifles to shoot every politician to overthrown them? I mean if you call that a coup I'll call hitting yourself in the face with the bat a homerun.
Also in their minds they weren't overthrowing the legit Trump government but protesting against the false Biden government which they imagined had already done the coup with election fraud.
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At one point, as lawmakers and staff members were rushing out of a Senate chamber under assault, aides scurried back to grab hold of boxes containing the Electoral College certificates, making sure that the protesters could not literally steal the results of the election.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/us/politics/capitol-breach-trump-protests.html
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The US system really depends on some pieces of paper anyone can easily destroy? I mean the results of the election have been public news for weeks already so just make new certificates after the riot cools down if some moron steals them. Or were they supposed to steal the boxes, go replace their content with Trump votes in a WC and then bring them back like nothing happened so that they would be used to elect Trump again?
A coup still requires some actual way to work, not just misinformed intent. Just like everyone crying about Trump starting a civil war so he doesn't have to leave the White House doesn't realize that he would just get carried out by law enforcement in cuffs if he refused to leave. But of course it's always fun to make up stuff about your political opponents to make them look like worse than they actually are.
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Once again, you're confusing looters with protesters to suit your argument.
We've already been over the difference, so I'll just link it instead,
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You keep wasting your time with obvious BS. So you think in the BLM riots most people were protesting peacefully and just a handful of bad apples ruined it for everyone by looting and pillaging around? So how are they any better than the Trump riot where most people were protesting peacefully and only a handful of bad apples stormed the building? BLM riots killed 29 people in 2020 including innocent bystanders and people protecting their property, 4 people died in Trump riot and thus far all seem to have been rioters. No harm or threat was directed at anyone other than the government, which is the ideal leftists type of violence they openly support even when in government themselves.
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And these people will now spread covid to innocents who actually have a functional brain. Nice one, clown supporters.
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Here in Brazil we are learning to follow principles, not politician, specially after we realize Jair Bolsonaro was just like the ones before him. Politicians are our workers, if they do something good, they are just doing their job, if they do something bad, the citizen will criticize.
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To those believing it was "antifa" or "communists" that stormed the U.S. Capitol Building:
It wasn't a hammer and sickle.... It was the Dishonoured logo... and typical of the fake BS Trump supporters will draw upon.
The tweet that started the fake rumour:
https://twitter.com/ACTBrigitte/status/1346921253387472897
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Honestly they could even have Anonymous Masks or "ANTIFA" tattooed on their foreheads, that wouldn't make the whole thing less scary.
I mean they could be passing for someone else, or they could even actually be antifa. It still goes to show the state the "land of the free" is after 4 years of the Bully in Chief legitimizing all kinds of childish and hateful behavior.
The end of January cannot come too soon.
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A retired military officer told The Washington Times that the firm XRVision used its software to do facial recognition of protesters and matched two Philadelphia ANTIFA members to two men inside the Senate. XRVision also has identified another man who, while not known to have antics links, is someone who shows up at climate and Black Lives Matter protests in the West
The plot thickens...
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CIA has been rigging elections for years, Trump supporters are only upset about it now that it's their god-king who lost. The positive takeaway for me is that the government is fearing the people as it should, rather than the other way around.
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I really feel bad for good hard-working US folk - with BLM-SJW crowd with Biden on one side and Trump-his supporters on the other
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Amen to that. I have been saying for years that the best thing that could happen for the US is for both major political parties to collapse and have multiple new parties arise from the ashes (as in 4+ major parties...not 2 major parties and a couple minor ones). With only two parties, a lot of issues get ignored and I think there is a large portion of voters who are voting "against" the other side instead of voting for something... Hard to get anything worthwhile accomplished when all we have is two bickering polar opposites.
Whether you like Biden/Hillary/Trump (depending on which election), it is hard to argue that whichever party you ended up voting for could have picked less polarizing choices. I would love it if there was a default option when voting for "Reject all candidates and reroll new ones", even if we could only do it once per election. Also wouldn't mind seeing mandatory criminal background checks that need to be passed by candidates for ALL political positions (state or fed)... all politicians are crooks but we should at least weed out the ones stupid enough to get caught.
And then you have people on each side that like to insult people on the other side with comments like "Anyone with half a brain, ..." / "what kind of moron would vote for/believe in X" ... gee, I wonder why people on each side get on each others nerves. I have friends and family on both sides and find the whole thing ridiculous. And I've seen people on both say really stupid shit, act like they know what's best without really considering the details, or justify a beneficial but bad action if "their side" does it but bitch about it when "the other side" does it, and generally not consider the consequences of what they are doing.
I don't agree with rioting but noticed the reporters in the video were also quick to dump shade on everyone protesting (e.g. they do not distinguish between violent and non-violent and pretty much lump everybody into "worst of society" and "white supremacists" ... because I'm sure everybody there fits that category). Right or wrong, there are a lot of people that believe that something sketchy went down with the election results (and before you assume, no, I'm not one of them). if your response is to casually dismiss their concerns and call them white supremacists, then i wouldn't be terribly surprised that they get pissed off an protest. Honestly, if the election had gone the other way, I can 100% see antifa doing the same shit. IMO, biased commentary and throwing shade on "the other side" like this has no place in the news... the facts could just as easily have been reported without those comments. and if the crowd does contain some racists, the way it is reported strongly implies it is all or most of the crowd. I don't think that's right either.
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this was one of the best posts about all this I read in a long time!
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I'm not from US, but I watched US election results counting and seen that fishy +100k votes jump for Biden in Michigan in real time on official voting website found on Google. That happened something after 11-12 PM NY time. Later I've read about some "technical error" why this happened.
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Yeah, I've heard some of that too. One of the biggest gripes I hear from my conservative friends / family (who insist there was fraud) is that the media just pretends nothing happened and ignores the possibility. My liberal friends all seem to just get annoyed and either refuse to talk to me or treat me like an ignorant bumpkin simply for asking about someone else's question... I mean can understand somewhat that having to explain something can be frustrating (believe me, I've worked computer support) but at the same time, the contemptuous way they are handling it just creates further divide.
Objectively speaking, you would think there ought to be a very public/transparent certification of all aspects of the voting. I don't say this to support the conservatives / liberals but just in general it seems like a good anti-fraud measure and a way to prevent calling the election results into question as the default precedent for the losing party (IIRC this was a concern raised by the left after the 2016 elections as well). I also remember after 2016 election, there was a lot of talk about abolishing the electoral college (which I am personally opposed to because I view that as mostly giving full power to major urban centers and that line of thinking is directly opposed to the balance we have with how the senate is set up... why even have a system of checks and balances if one lifestyle gets to rule it all?).
But media bias really seems to be an "acceptable" thing these days... Like I said, I have friends/family on both sides of the political divide... I have some liberal friends who blatantly deny any possibility that there is a media bias on major television news network (except for fox which they have no problems bashing) and some conservative family members who seem to believe any old batshit crazy conspiracy theory as long as it falls along conservative lines... Personally, I noticed media bias at least as far back as the Obama vs McCain election when they gave unequal coverage to the candidates visiting offshore troops and openly showered one candidate with praise while mostly ignoring the other. I wasn't as politically aware before that election but I don't recall the bias being as drastic before that... I think part of it was that people in power/charge of media not really being sure how to react to someone of a different race (although I am very curious how the media would reacted if the conservative candidate had also been black, such as herman cain). But I'd just be happy if we could go back to 1950's-style reporting of here's the facts without the social commentary and drop the sensationalism and repeat airing of news (I wonder how many shootings there would have been if early shootings got less air time? Somehow, I feel like there would have been a lot less)
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Your idea regarding parties reminds me of R. Heinlein's "I Will Fear No Evil" which I translated into Russian a couple years ago.
Quoting here;
"The backing and filling for the upcoming Presidential campaign speeded up with a joint announcement by the national committees of
the two conservative parties, the SDS and the PLA, that they would hold their conventions together (while preserving mutual autonomy) for the (unannounced but understood) purpose of reelecting the incumbent. The chairman of the extreme left-wing Constitutional Liberation Rally denounced it as a typical crypto-fascist capitalistic plot, and predicted a November victory for Constitutional freedom. The splinter parties, Democratic, Socialist, and Republican, met quietly (few members and almost no delegates under sixty-five) and stole away without causing more than a ripple in the news".
Written in 1970. Not all of his predictions of future were accurate, but it seems at least the "under sixty-five" part was spot on. :)
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Lol, I just had someone else recommend that I pick up Heinlein earlier this week. Might have to do that soon. I've wanted to read the old Starship Troopers novel since a couple years after the movie came out but never quite got around to it. I did really enjoy Scalzi's Old Man's War series which was inspired by it though.
I'll add "I Will Fear No Evil" to the list too
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While the humans with brains are the majority, they never do anything about extreme ideologist. This is what caused wars in the entire history of humanity, especially with mass media on both side brainwashing humans.
At least third world war not going to be nuclear war, as it will be a civil war and not a war between countries.
The mass media using such extreme propaganda like it was common in 1930s Germany, and on both side, CNN, Fox, Twitter, Facebook, both side responsible with the subjective, offensive, aggressive propaganda.
Additonally, the 2 party dictatorship USA with their winner takes it all election system dont even allow the emerge of new political parties. I would say it would be different with a different election system, but election systems in Europe shows that humans want hate. In Europe it is easier for new parties to emerge, still humans voting for extreme ideologist parties while both side spread only hate.
Politic is like YouTube, hate gets most views:-(
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Anyway I'd say europeans have much more successful politicians than default Trump/Biden choice is US...
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There are some problems with having 5-6 parties form a government as well. But on average it seems to work much better and we can easily switch from Horrible Nazis, Greedy Capitalists and Coat Turning Centre to Social Democrats, Greens, Left Alliance, Swedes and yet again Coat Turning Centre. Names for the first 2 parties are taken from common rhetoric from the current government parties. Centre has always been betraying everyone, but still they get picked a lot to be able form a majority government because they seem like a tiny bit less of a bad choice than the opponents.
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Not sure I follow all of that ... also not sure if names are joking or bashing? Anyway, I agree that more parties is not a miracle solution; just better than current one. I wouldn't call all the current conservatives as nazis / greedy capitalists (certainly both of the exist but i've found very few people who identify as conservatives that I would call racist after geting to know them and most of them have been very pro-consumer also...) but again not sure if names are joking. US isn't really a capitalist society... is a very very bastardized version of something loosely capitalist (because government sanctions for monopolies/oligopolies in certain industries and under-the-table lobbying / deals that allow perks or cushy positions after they retire from government office).
I think a lot of would depend on how it is done like you seem to imply. Like in US, we have a few telecom companies but really the whole market is an oligopoly (like monopoly but several companies working together to fix prices)... especially in the cable tv and internet industries but also to a lesser extent in the mobile phone industry too. If we end up with multiple parties that all pretty much do the same shit, then yeah very little change from current system. I think getting rid of the "winner-takes-all-system" would be a very good start. And having enough serious competition could be a good way to get rid of the two highly polarized options if done right. I think there are other points that would need to be balanced too though... like balancing power between urban and rural (similar to how the congressional rules for house and senate are done) and probably some of the similar things.
I find it interesting that I have conservative friends who "would vote democrat if they'd stop trying to push for gun control" and moderate friends that "would vote conservative if they'd quit going on about abortion and allow gay marriage", and liberal friends who see a distinct "old left and new left". To me, all of that suggests that if the current parities were to dissolve and a several new parties were to form around similar but slightly different core ideological subsets from the originals, then you could end up with some pretty interesting ideological compositions. If it was also no longer winner-takes-all, then I think you'd see some group collusion like what Jinnai mentions from the Heinlein novel but you'd also probably see some more cooperation across what we think of as left vs right today on particular issues.
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we should make a poll and see what people think is the most likely doomsday scenario for 2021... here's a few starter choices
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Hey, my grandad said the end of the world would come between fire and water, so with my beloved late grumpus words I'm interpretting 'water' to be the respiratory droplets of Covid-19 and its rapidly mutating babies, and the 'fire' to be the collapse of political stuff leading to violence. We got fuckery up in america, but we also have all kinds of suss antics going on elsewhere. Given a while it might be nuke time.
Ladies and gentlemen, start your bunkers!
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I mean, there's a slim chance the aliens, mole people or lost sea people could be hot, right?
...right?
Is death by Snu-Snu still an option if instead I pick to Snu-Snu a plummeting asteroid a the point of impact? C'mon 2021, give us something to work with here. Surely we can negotiate a mercy kill. Or maybe just a culling. Post-apocalypse might be a nice holiday destination if the worst of us are the ones that get taken out. Maybe?
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I vote for war, and then zombies (for obvious reasons of how people handled the virus...)
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I am missisng some robot AI terminator skynet option.
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Added; although I think our current level of "AI" tech is not anywhere close yet ... probably will take a few more years yet :-)
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+Well, the next known biggest chance for an asteroid is in 2029:
"This will be the closest approach by something this large currently known. (In 2029) Apophis will be visible to the unaided eye for several hours, and Earth tides will probably change its spin state."
Now the question is....
-was it good idea to name it after Apophis, who was the God of Chaos in ancient Egypt
-anyone who believe in superstition afraid, that it coming on friday the 13th in 2029 April?
+There are more supervolcanos, not only Yellowstone. Mathematically a supervolcano eruption is due or already in late, so could happen anytime.
+There are no lost sea or subterranean civilization on Earth, they are so real like the Yeti or other mythical creatures.
+coronavirus will be gone soon with the antiserum now
+zombies not 100% unrealistic, but still a fantasy. Theoretically possible, as its idea came from the rabies virus.
+global warming already killing us, just like it killed Venus, but it not happening in one year, but it is now about to reaching the point of no return
+global nuclear war unlikely as nowadays not countries facing eachother, instead hateful (left and right, both) ideologies, so civil war more likely
+rioting and war: very likely, it is just matter of time. As each side demonizing eachother a civil war now unavoidable. Liberal publicists now even draw conservatives as rats which is, based on our well known history, is usually the last step before genocide. Both side evil tho, i want to leave the planet:-)
+aliens: not possible, i guess they will wait for the civil war first and they just need kill the remnants then. However it is more and more popular the idea among scientist, that the Asteroid from outside of the solar system, which went through our solar system in 2017 and looked like a long cigar was an alien spaceship. If it was an exploration ship then an alien contact might be possible in near future, if humanity will still exist by the time they arrive (unlikely)
On other hands, no point to take care about any of these as we dont have influence on any of it, so i just keep playing games until i can:-)
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yes, most of them are fairly unlikely. I wouldn't say aliens is "not possible". Unlikely as all hell maybe, but still non-zero chance. and for virus, that's why i said "coronavirus" (e.g. the category) and not "covid-19" (the specific virus)... cuz we could always get version 2.0 / some mutated crap. guess i should probably update that to make it more clear tho.
But yeah, rioting / civil war are my most likely pick.
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The "actually, you/they are just as bad!" card is being played constantly in this thread, but yes, this person condemning the people who acted out in an insane manner + the people who support them does, in fact, sound better than the people who stormed the capitol and died in the name of the Cult of Trump + the people who support them.
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I'd suggest refraining from making "you just don't get it"-type posts when you're you. Who do you think I might've been referring to when I mentioned "the people who support" them? Everything here is about the ongoing situation in the US. Said MAGA chuds are the people championing -- or, at the very least, downplaying the severity of -- those people's actions. Calling someone "scum" might not be very polite, but it doesn't put someone anywhere near the same level as people who are OK with the insanity that Trump's Republican cult has spawned.
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Positive discrimination of whites doesn't count as discrimination (c)
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This "country" is a shit show...the American dream my ass.
All shitty propaganda and way of thinking/viewing things that are destroying Europe are from this left-wing shithole.
Fat blue haired bitches LGBTQBXYZ and other community quota have what they deserved. And if this continues, Europe will finish the same way.
They are destroying the world with there useless wars, propaganda, ideas...so let them destroy themselves from inside.
Idiocracy2021
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A thread about conspiracy theorists storming a government building during a key democratic process, and the takeaway from this is... a spaghetti of how the left is at fault because of...
:checks notes:
Acceptance of people outside of the cishet margin, and the propaganda of the left. When it's the right on the siege, primarily caused by a cult of personality fostered by the presidential bubble, who popularised the idea that if you don't like a factual challenge, you can just ignore it by calling it 'fake' no matter what evidence is presented.
Thats a hard yikes from me, chap.
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Cleary we don't have much mods else it would (should) been closed down again, like yesterday.
It's obvious civil discussions about politics just can't be had here. Noone points out that many people might just be simply in the middle frustrated about their government, about job possibilities, lower taxes, healthcare, etc etc if right promises such things then they might take certain things like immigration standpoints for granted while left want more immigration, taxes on environment issues that are costing money.
Does not automatically make them a nazi, and people who aren't, do getting sick and tired of hearing they are.
In many many countries there is just simply not even a significiant choice for a middle party.
Not to mention not like this is all new, just with social media and fast news (which you also can't even tell anymore what is fake or not) it just comes out way more in the open.
Instead of just disagreeing with eachother there just seems an automatic hate towards the other, and if that's how you want to make the world a better place..
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The average people in the middle aren't storming government buildings during really important stuff about voting and election, so uh, why would anybody point them out, given they're totally unrelated to the subject? And why exactly would those people be called nazis for non-participation?
The supposition of 'average people getting called nazi!' is quite hollow when you're clearly regurgitating a bogeyman, given its total disconnection from the situation we're discussing. The 'hate' youre seeing here is primarily people who are angry a key process is being interrupted by conspiracy theorists (and how lukewarm the response to said extreme action was), and on the other side we have people rapidly trying to deflect the seriousness of the situation by randomly brining up the BLM protests and then trying to project a childish 'this is what you get / deserve' neener-neener across the aisle, while claiming they're being neutral and pointing out a double standard in the opposition.
Being angry at an injustice is a normal response. Being frustrated with dishonest portrayal is a normal response. Absolute conflict avoidance is not a healthy response, especially to subjects with severe repercussions. Even if you were really just saying people should be chill and agree to disagree and whatnot, how exactly do you reconcile that with how you immediately segued into an unrelated, regurgitated talking point ("everyone gets called nazi, they're sick and tired of it!") while simultaneously suggesting we regard such an unusual and severe event and respond to it mutedly?
You're saying one thing but doing another within the same post, while also claiming others should not engage with an important subject. This is why shortsighted centrism is considered the 'agnostic poverty' of politics. It comes across as both "I don't want to hear it, so you shouldn't talk so much about it" while also sneaking a footnote in of [insert disconnected talking-point here]. While we're on that subject, do you know what a great way to deal with hyperbolic "you're a nazi" claims is? To not then passively / surreptitiously support actions and mentalities that follow suspiciously facist tendencies. Surely even you can see why selective direction of criticism towards one side while having a blase or permissive attitude to another even when one has a far more unified criminal purpose (or outright wears overt signs of membership to literal prejudice groups) it sets a very distinct tone, right? And how people have been warning for the longest time that this kind of behaviour is on the rise? How when this incredibly illegal and drastic event happened, so few people were actually surprised? I mean. Really? :P We're at a point where -this- is no longer unexpected? If now isn't a time to be witness to our failings and come to a reckoning over what is wrong, then when exactly, is social conflict justified?
To be permissive of the blatant in one hand, but then also to be critical of another despite having a less unified negative element, is a double standard that sets a very premise. In fact, to say that such behaviour is not 'defending' one side, or that they 'equally disapprove of the other' is something of a lie of ommission, isn't it?
I mean, look, Its okay to feel disillusioned, or exhausted, or to hate the extremes you see from both sides. Thats normal. Shits exhausting and depressing. Its okay to want to be hands-off and deal with your own stuff, or be worried about where the conflict may lead. But suggesting that lucid people not express valid concerns with passion isn't it, my guy. Even if it results in verbal fights, even if dishonest players step in to vomit buzzwords and talking points, the dialogue is important. Stagnation and refusal to address the elephants in the room is what led us to this impasse. Without the ability to shake each others branches of the leaves that simply dont stick, the only speakers left are social media checkmarks, mainstream media vs fringe talking-heads, and the tribalistic groupies.
Yeah it's ugly, but its important we scour ourselves of the grime before it turns into an immovable crust. Not challenging ourselves is how opinion set into... well, the types of people who literally just stormed a government building to interfere with a lawful election process. Consider asking yourself why you're committed to shrugging and saying to be more hands-off and civil, but are also willing to leave a carbon copy of the very non-neutral "people get called nazi!" talking point in the middle of that despite how unrelated it is. If you don't challenge why you just popped a squat and laid an idealogue egg in plain sight while claiming to be neutral, you're going to keep acting as an infection vector to the very thing you claim you want to stop.
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Everyone keeps bring up BLM, as if yesterday's events don't prove their point. The police let them in, whereas they had peaceful protests and were beaten and pushed back by Trump. Look people keep trying to drag BLM into this but the fact is historically in America Black lives haven't mattered. They didn't matter when they were 3/5ths of a human, they didn't matter when they were slaves, where they were brutalized and raped, and had their families separated, they were sold like cattle. Racism didn't end after the civil war and they were free because post that came Jim Crow laws. Black lives didn't matter when they were lynched, and people had picnics to celebrate their deaths. Historically black people's lives in America have not mattered.
Them protesting is the culmination of that history and the violence continuously perpetrated by a system that was set up to keep them down. Red Lining is a thing, and all attempts to make the playing feel equal have been met with "Affirmative action is bad hire people based on their credentials." Look BLM needs to be a peaceful movement. Violence and destroying businesses is not the answer. But if BLM had attempted to do what yesterday's protesters did the Capitol building would be slick with blood and they'd still be taking out bodies this morning.
On the other hand we legit have a bunch of white dudes, sure I saw some smatterings of color in the pictures and video I saw. So it's not all a bunch of angry white people, but the vast majority of them were white angry men. Who broke in and vandalized a building, who flew the traitor's flag in the Capitol. Why because these numpty's believed delusional Donald Trump was telling the truth about election fraud. Except he hasn't brought out any proof to prove his claims. Unlike BLM there is no historical context for these guys to make this understandable. These guys are dumb fucks who have bought into Trump's conspiracy theory nonsense. These are not equivalent on either side, and they should never be treated as such.
Are there crazy people on both sides of the aisle. Obviously. I'm not looking at this and thinking all conservative people are bad. But for fucks sake the right has a problem and their problem began when they welcomed the dixiecrats into their party and set up the southern strategy. They had a problem when they spent years laying the foundation of this with fox news. This wasn't a surprise, this was a predictable outcome of feeding your electorate lies, and slashing funding to schools and putting a weird focus on STEM when the liberal arts teach you how to critically think.
America needs to prosecute these guys. Every last one of them.
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WTF!?!!
Did this country go insane and I didn't get the memo?? 😲
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_Ma8oQLmSM
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