Are you not going to use the heatsink that comes with the cpu? With the new tech tariffs coming the prices for parts are rising quite a bit now.
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I thought about it. I read some mixed (and some good) reviews of the heat sink that came with the Ryzen CPU, and just didn't feel confident enough to stick with just that. I guess I'm paying $35 for peace of mind?
...also, what tariff? o_o
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Some tariff exclusions have ended last year, and manufacturers will be rising MSRP for their new graphics cards, like the RTX 3000 series. So far most of them have risen in price by at least $80. ASUS also said they will be increasing prices on their motherboards, so there may be some more changes in the next few weeks or months. This might not apply to older products though.
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The included cooler is more than fine, whatever mixed reviews u read must have been done inside an active volcano. Stick with the stock cooler and use that money elsewhere.
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It's fine as long as the OP does not mind the noise. I have been running it for half a year and compared to a cheap Arctic Freezer 7 I have been using on my previous CPU, it's helluva loud. Definitely planning to swap it out eventually.
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Fan noise is white noise to me, it feels weird when it's dead silent in the room lol.
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Fair enough. I am not pursuing a soundless build but what that fan is doing is going beyond what I am willing to put up with, main reason I did not swap it out yet was saving money for new GPU and display. :)
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Its all about the heat budget
stock coolers is good for stock speed
big cooler is good for big speeds and heat, also less fan noise
so $35 for peace of mind :)
great build for great 1440p gaming experience. make sure your screen can display the eye candy
1080p still good for smaller screens ~24 or less
and get something +75Hz. once you try high refresh rate you cant go back
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The stock cooler for 3600 isn't good, noisy and weak. Used it for a year.
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I've had good experience with the Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO. Just be sure to get some good thermal paste and ensure a solid seal (I've had good results with Arctic Silver thermal paste). I admit, the very first time I put the paste on, the seal was not good -- I do highly recommend installing a CPU heat-monitoring program like CoreTemp just to make sure that the CPU is running well below its Tj. Max when idling, a good indicator of whether the thermal seal was done correctly. Constant crashing is a sad result otherwise.
Great-looking SSD on your list! Having extra SSD space does improve performance, at least from what I've personally experienced. Also, I've had excellent performance with the Samsung Evo, leagues better than a cheaper SanDisk SSD I had picked up earlier.
I've had good experience with Nvidia cards and less good experience with my only ATI card. Then again, I hear the manufacturer makes a big difference, so maybe I had just picked a bad manufacturer (my ATI card was made by Sapphire). That was a real bummer when my graphics card died after a short lifespan.
All in all, the specs you listed look good!
I'm sure you're going to have a lot of fun building your first PC, it's certainly quite an experience! :) Good luck!
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Thanks! :3 The temperature monitoring program is a really good idea. I'll be sure to use it to check the thermal paste application.
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From what I can tell it looks like a solid build.
The motherboard does support 3rd gen AMD CPU's without a BIOS update so you're fine in that department.
One thing I would personally recommend would be to potentially get a HDD as well as the SSD, however, it's really just up to preference. It's just good to kep in mind that not everything on the system drive will be just your storage space. The OS will take up some, programs you download will take up some. Depending on what you do (if you do any sort of CAD or anything, I know autodesk has a thing where they only let you download their software onto the system drive, even if there is a different drive avaliable. Getting an extra drive will just give you more storage space, whether it be an SSD or HDD, it may be worth considering. You can always add more drives with time though, so if you feel you need more you can just slap in another drive.
In terms of the power supply, it's always good to have a bit over what the estimated wattage (or even the recommended wattage from the manufacturers) for power surges/ spikes, which can happen on occasion. The 800W will be perfectly fine, and give you room for future upgrades. For instance if you wanted to get a beefier GPU in the future, without upgrading much else, it may be useful just to have that extra room.
I'm not sure if you already have a display/ monitor but make sure you don't cheap out on the monitor, some cheaper monitors can have a wierd colour temperature that you just can't fix no matter how much you play with the rgb and gamma.
In terms of games, You should be perfectly fine as well. Here is some gameplay of the Ryzen 5 3600 + RX5700 XT combo
My thoughts are though; really solid build! I'm sure it will be great!
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Oh, you're right, I didn't think about the monitor. I already have a [puny] monitor right now so I suppose I can procrastinate the monitor research till after the PC building part >.>
That's some very comforting gameplay footage. Looking at that makes me more confident with this build. Thank you xD
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No problem!
I'm sure you'll get used to any monitor, it's just if you have any sort of comparison you may see differences you don't like between your laptop display and desktop monitor. I'm talking specifically about colours, as well as text/ icons, not so much games depending on the size and resolution of the display. Pixel density can make a huge difference, so even if both monitors have a 1080p display, but the standalone monitor is bigger than the laptop panel, you may see pixelation in text and icons/ images more on the desktop. But you do definiteley get used to it.
I'm sort of speaking from experience here, I have been in a similar situation recently, I've been using a laptop for about 3 or so years now, and recently upgraded to a desktop on the 29th of December. I had a monitor from my old build, which I decided to use, and damn I'd forgotten how much I'd taken the laptop display for granted. I still much prefer writing/ text/ colours on my laptop display than I do my desktop display, but in games I've gotten used to it, since they still look so good compared what my laptop had to run them on to be able to run them at all :P.
I'm sure you'll enjoy both the building and the using phase of your new computer!
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looks like you did your homework already. seems like a pretty nice rig.
a 2000 series or even 3000 series nvidia gpu would be nice but they have been out of stock for weeks with no end in sight.
you could save some money by stepping down the psu. 650w would be more than plenty for now and in the future unless you totally want to go all in next time you upgrade.
i always use usb sticks for wireless and i don't know anybody who uses a pcie card for that. but maybe that's just me.
iirc the 212 evo is a pretty nice cooler. i didn't use any stock coolers for over 2 decades. usually they are just terrible as in hot and loud. the intel ones are for sure. the newer amd stock coolers seem to be ok-ish but tbh 35 bucks is a cheap price to pay for better temps (maybe) and less noise (certainly!).
also the 4000D Airflow did pretty good with gamersnexus recent test. but make sure to get the airflow version. the one with a solid front is shit.
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Hmm, after more thoughts, I don't think I will go for a much higher power machine than this in the future, perhaps 650W is indeed enough. Thanks for the suggestion!
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I think an NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super would be a better card than the current Radeon RX 5700 XT. But the NVidia GPU seem to be all sold out for now. I figured Radeon is a pretty good replacement.
Yeah, a 2070 Super is faster (at a higher cost), and it also has RTX and DLSS which are pretty good features in new games. Note that Nvidia has released the 3000 series now, so they are unlikely to keep producing 2000 series which will make them even harder to get. You can try the second hand market if you want, you might find a relatively cheap 2070 or 2080.
For the power supply unit, would 850W be overkill? considering the current wattage estimate is around 400W.
Yes, it is overkill, but there's no real downside apart from initial cost. It might be handy for future upgrades, but it's extremely unlikely you will ever need more than 600W.
I think I'll only ever use 500GB storage space, but I read that it's better for the SSD capacity to be larger than the utilization. So I went with 1TB.
SSDs will have a reduced write speed when they get above around 90% usage. So with your 1TB SSD you can go up to ~900GB without seeing a noticeable difference. Remember that you can buy more storage later if you need it. If you're also going to store anything that you don't use often (backups, films, photos) you should get a HDD. There's no point in putting that stuff on an SSD since it won't benefit from the extra speed, and you will have more room for your games.
Everything else is fine. The CPU is good, the motherboard is decent, and the RAM is quick and you have enough for the next couple of years (can always add more).
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I... have no idea how to find second-hand PC components that are in working order and safe >.>
I'll likely downgrade the PSU to 650W, seems more than enough. Thanks :>
I gave the storage more thoughts. I have a 1TB HDD lying around, I think I'll put that in the PC for media storage, and buy a 500GB SSD for the OS and games. It seems unlikely I'll reach 450GB of programs and games, which would stay below the 90% usage mark.
Thanks :3
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You need ~50GB of space anyways to safely run the OS (temp files etc). I would also agree with getting 650W PSU if you aren't using that extra W, they do burn out in 5-10 years so in the future if you needed more watts, it'd be better to just get a new one.
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I agree that you did a great job putting together that PC. However, I think you should think twice about downgrading the SSD. At least for me, having to deal with limited storage space is pretty annoying and considering that modern games can easily take 20-50 GB each, you can run out of space without noticing it. Of course that depends on how much you play, but keep in mind that with that brand new PC it might just go up, especially if you already have your eye on some games you always wanted to play. And I am speaking from experience here, having buildt a new PC myself recently and for christmas got a 1 TB SSD, because I started out with only 500GB.
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I've had a work laptop a few years ago, the Windows installation alone took ~100GB after 1-2 years. And I didn't have anything installed there either - only some minor apps & chrome add-ons.
And games are growing exponentially - modern games take up easily 100GB+ per game.
So unless you're planning on playing small indie games (in which case you don't need a gaming PC), I would say you will definitely need at least 1GB SSD in a year or two.
Or maybe even 2GB if you want to be future proof (Although you can always upgrade/add more disks, and their prices keep dropping over time).
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Looks good, just keep in mind that if you care about raytracing the current Radeon GPUs are significantly slower at it then Geforce 3000 series cards.
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Got it. I'm willing to turn down graphics setting in exchange for framerates, so if it comes to that, I assume I can opt for pre-computed lighting for any major games.
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change this :
CPU-Cooler: BeQuiet
Graphics Card: 1650 Super Nividia (need less power than amd)
M.2 NVME and other large drive
Motherboard: B450
RAM : PNY 32GB
Power Supply: EVGA, Gigabyte, ... other not Corsair....
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While the 1650 super is more power efficient, it is also around twice as slow. Going for b450 doesn't make sense, since b550 is not much more expensive and it's better supported. Going for 32 gb of ram just straight up doesn't make sense unless doing a lot more than just gaming.
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An nvme SSD doesn't make sense in a budget build. That money is better spend elsewhere.
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I would check if Ryzen 5 in the "5000" series makes a huge difference in price / fits budget with appropriate motherboard where you reside. The 5600X is at same TDP if I remember correct, but quite more speedy and better suited cache for its design.
Either way,
looks good at glance and should be mighty fine for what you mention wanting to achieve and use it for. Remember that Radeon ages like fine wine. Nice with new stuff :) GLHF.
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Ryzen 5000 are newer models right? (These numberings are confusing :P) The 5600 seems to be entirely out of stock, haha. I guess during the pandemic everyone is upgrading their gaming rigs x)
Good to know that Radeon age like fine wine. When I retire the card, I'll definitely pop it open for a drink. xD
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I don't see any major problems.
It will be within the threshold range of hobbies and tastes.d(･Θ･｡)♪💻
If you're careful, finish your shopping early.
Equipment using semiconductors will increase in price in the future.
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Well if Ryzen 5000 series fits in your budget, you should totally go for it,
as for GPU, yeah it would have been better if you could get RTX card, but hey you can always sell 5700 when nVidia cards become available,
Everything else is pretty much good for gaming PC.
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I don't think he's gonna get much for a 5700xt compared to that 600 price once new cards are commonly available for normal prices.
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I would get the Ryzen 5000 if they're in stock xP It really is a bad time to be shopping for computer parts it seems...
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Well lol, in my country Ryzen 5000 series and RTX cards are in stock, but they are too pricey for our standards TBH.
500 euros for RTX 2070, 800 euros for RTX 3070.
And average salary is like 250-300 euros lol.
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I'd replace the motherboard with Asus TUF GAMING B550-PLUS (WI-FI), that way you don't need to get that separate adapter and it's the same combined price. And it's a really good board for the money.
And most importantly I'd wait for GPUs to be easily available again soonish, 600 for that card is totally not worth it, it's terrible value, wait for 3070 to be available for normal pricing. Definitely don't make a PC now.
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Yeah, wanted to say the same.
I'd suggest waiting when 3060 and/or 3070 is available. I think those are better then 5700 as well for the same price, but correct me if Im wrong
Some stores in my country are already saying that they will have those cards available at the end of january. So I agree with dantenemo. Wait a bit for RTX cards
Just checked - they already have bunch of 3070s available
PS. seeing how you (OP) mentioned 2070 - theres really no point in getting that card at all now that there are 30xx series available.
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Noted.
I'm not sure why I put 2070. I'll check out 3070s instead.
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https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-3060-Ti-vs-Nvidia-RTX-2070S-Super/4090vs4048
And it looks like even 3060 outperforms it :)
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I got an ASUS Maximus Hero X and found the onboard Wifi to suck (it's under a desk, maybe it differs if you got it there or open wide (to get a better signal).
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Someone I know was complaining about WiFi signal. Turned out they had PC under the desk next to the radiator.
So it's most probably problem with PC placement, not WiFi itself. It may look that WiFi has straight route to the PC, but there is "bad wall" or piece of metal along the way and it immediately stops to work properly.
In my previous PC I put Bluetooth adapter at the back panel of my PC and I had constant problems with controller randomly disconnecting. I put it in the front and problems stopped. And it's "just" like 15cm difference in position.
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The Pc is under a desk (not build in, it's standing loose on the ground) against 2 walls with a few inches of room, onboard wifi gave me disconnects, a wifi adapter helped, the radiator is a good 2 meter away. The pc is right above the ground floor where the router stands.
Overall we always had wifi issues, my dad's room on the same floor, let alone the attic, the performance drops big time, i get 50-70mbps wifi i think while they get 20mbps (while we can get 250mbps and it does wired).
We tried 3 mesh systems, all advertising to even give a signal in garages and what not, yet still not great signals even on a first floor or attic. Ended up with a Orbi Mesh system, in which i could use just use one mesh to use the ethernet to connect to my pc. ;)
Good for me but overall it still sucks that there can't be a better solution, and when you try calling the support of any of those systems, it's always: yeah it must be how your house is build.
Granted first i had that the Orbi constantly reset/turned off by itself, and had a long but very friendly customer support, i even accidently dropped the line and they called me back and in the end that issue was resolved.
But my dad is the building expert (was a supervisor in construction) and says the floors are more wood then concrete/metal.
Our provider only gives a speed guarantee up till the first floor wired or something, and that's what we get, so if mesh systems don't even work properly, i don't know what else.
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If so many systems did not work it must be some problem with house, not WiFi. If you put PC in room with the router (no walls between) and it works properly - it's WiFi card. If not it's problem with the router.
But my dad is the building expert (was a supervisor in construction) and says the floors are more wood then concrete/metal.
He would need to be IT / WiFi expert to make claims about WiFi signal. Not only concrete or metal blocks WiFi / radio signals.
Mirrors, house appliances, water tanks (like with fishes), windows etc. can worsen the signal.
At my work we're bit "isolated" from the environment, as unit is basically inside huge metal cage. Finding any radio station inside may be close to impossible sometimes. And even when you find one - radio will stop to work each time you walk past, as water inside body is enough interference in already weak signal to make radio drop the signal. It also doesn't work entirely when we scan something with radio scanners, as they have stronger signal than what radio can "get" from the outside.
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Our house it's 40 years old, i would say not that big or old, i mean what if you had a big mansion how do they do it?
In the other rooms except mine and downstairs there are no pc's, so can't say its a wifi card, my dad uses a tablet/smartphone and my niece in the attic tablet/smartphone a very ancient old laptop (enough to run minecraft).
But i am the IT expert, i got am a Microsoft MCSE, and got about 8 more other certificates and 30 years of experience (i started with a vectrex/c64 i am that old) even though experts still can't know everything either, not even doctors, we are only human in the end.
I actually wanted to go for a full IT degree at one point but it never came to it, mostly because finances.
There are no water tanks, only 1 mirror in the hallway, there are however in each room (my room, my dads and in the attic basically one wall side that largely is covered with windows and under it the radiator) but that would be a first for me to hear windows or even mirrors could interfere.
But many claims such mesh system providers make you hardly ever reach their full limit, that guy from Orbi even said so himself to me.
We do also got a few tv signals that give "blurry blocks" our provider (also giving internet) said they would open up the streets one of these days and check, maybe it will also somehow improve the wifi (probably not).
I fully know how at certain workplaces the radio can interfere or can only receive a certain amount of stations, i experienced that myself in a few jobs i had, and usually the ones you can receive got the annoying "youngsters" music of what they got today.
[EDIT] One thing that is different though is that the modem is next to the gas/water meter, and electrical circuit board etc behind a door, and the provider mechanic built it in there (and never said anything about it though) while many people got a modem in their living room, it am guessing it would not be simple to just move it to a living room from there, we tried holding the modem as far out as we could but didn't notice a speed increase.
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You should make screenshot and post it while obscuring actual address. There are many not so nice people on the internet that could use it.
I will read rest of the post later.
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I don't want to hijack this topic with this chain of comments, so I will just write last message here:
One thing that is different though is that the modem is next to the gas/water meter, and electrical circuit board etc behind a door, and the provider mechanic built it in there (and never said anything about it though) while many people got a modem in their living room, it am guessing it would not be simple to just move it to a living room from there, we tried holding the modem as far out as we could but didn't notice a speed increase.
If you have ethernet cable going to the router you could buy one of those adapters and move the router out of this box-room to see if it changes something
There are no water tanks, only 1 mirror in the hallway, there are however in each room (my room, my dads and in the attic basically one wall side that largely is covered with windows and under it the radiator) but that would be a first for me to hear windows or even mirrors could interfere.
I remembered now that my friend from the university loved to "hijack" his younger sister WiFi signal. There was something about position of the router, her room and his netbook, so that when he put half-opened netbook in specific place in his room - WiFi signal was mostly gone in his sister room. He was always very amused by it, as he didn't tell parents why signal dies for her.
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Other people have already pointed out that there are other elements affecting it so it's unlikely the device's fault. Could check by moving the PC temporarily to test the signal.
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Well just one. And as i said and she too, an adapter was the bit that actually helped too. And it should matter if you got a wifi receiver all the way blocked in a case and what not or out in the open in the back or front of your pc.
Not that it's big money anyway.
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Did you use the extension that comes with it to receive the signal better?
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Wow, A shame the prices have sky rocketed in only a few months!
I built (but didn't order) a very similar pc (better cpu, same specs otherwise) that cost $999 during October last year.
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dannng... I woke up to find a +300 price hike on the GPU. It's really a pricey time to buy a PC xD
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My input overall cheaper your wallet will be happy but you not notice performance difference :)
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7NLvNP
PSU better quality but 650W is still plenty for any 1 GPU setup
SSD no need to overpay you not notice difference in real life
Motherboard cheaper but you not notice difference.
Better Heatsink only if you live in hot climate or you want OC.
GPU you can consider also RX 5600 XT Review https://www.techpowerup.com/review/sapphire-radeon-rx-5600-xt-pulse/
anyway some gpus have this days almost 2x launch price :(
My recommendation price wise
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RQvqqs/asrock-radeon-rx-5600-xt-6-gb-challenger-pro-6g-oc-video-card-rx5600xt-clp-6go
20% performance difference for almost half price
I Hope you will get fresh CPU my going up to 4,565GHz https://valid.x86.fr/e1vic7
Production batch 2043 - 2020 year 43 week
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Not going with better heatsink then the one that comes with the CPU ? Totally disagree - those are useless.
When gaming you will most definitely see higher temps with original heatsink. Also as those tend to spin at crazy RPMs, the bearings will wear out noticably faster. With original heatsink you can see CPU go up to 70 degrees, which wont happen with aftermarket heatsink.
Bigger heatsink with bigger fan is definitely something one should get, considering they cost fraction of PC's worth.
I myself did the mistake of overlooking CPU fan and remained with the original. That fucking thing sounded like it will launch and fly away. I suppose the newer AMD stock coolers are better then my old one and wouldn't be as bad as the one I had. But point remains - aftermarket cooler - definitely.
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I used Ryzen 5 3600 on stock heatsink and was fine.
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no was quiet for me, Simply use first stock cooler if you notice it buy after-market later
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You can also try look for Wraith Prism or Wraith Max they are box coolers for 16 cores AMD Ryzen they can handle Overclocked Ryzen 3600 on ebay or craglist you can get then below $20 or even $15
First two from left side https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/cpu-cooler-solution
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If you want to go for a cheaper SSD I would recommend checking out the Kingston A2000.
For the PSU the beQuiet Straight Power 11 Gold would be another good option. Rated one of the best in A Tier on the PSU Tier list.
The Motherboard is the one I disagree the most with considering you changed a full size ATX with a microATX. There are a couple of differences like a missing USB-C slot, less SATA-Ports(some might get disabled when using M.2 SSDs) and less PCIe slots for example.
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beQuiet Straight Power 11 nope 12V is divided on 4 rails old design everyone abounded this approach years ago
and only 5 years warranty compared to 10 years on Seasonic
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From what I read multi-rail design isn't inferior to single-rail in any way. Problems they used to have, have been ironed out a while ago. The warranty is a good point however. But then again how long does one keep tech around these days ...
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Power Supplies ATX specification do not changed to much in last 10 years, and we do not have any signs of change in near future.
Multi-rail design adding another point of failure to PSU.
About old PC parts I still using 11 Years Old Cooler Master Haf 922 very robust Case, and 7 years old Noctua NH-D14 company send me free mounting for AM4 :)
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Corsair 4000D Airflow have some problems with front dust filter. Look at newegg/amazon customer reviews.
And about MoBo (you can choose smth else for future ubgrade to 5900x and/or OC): https://prnt.sc/wlovvn
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+1 ... a friend of mine had this issue, there are 2 options, remove the filter or modify the fan / filter, that the fan can't suck the filter up
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Which one did your friend go with? and did it work out?
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with the corsair 4000d airflow and the filter ... i must correct myself, i asked him how he fixed it and he forgot about it until i asked. he said, that it fixed itself.
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Shoot >< You're right, quite a few amazon reviews mentioned the filter hitting the fan. :/
...Now I'm undecided on the case... haha
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If you're going for Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO make sure it's 2nd revision (not original).
I have v1 and installation process is atrocious. While in v2 it looks like easy "put on and screw down".
Do you need to pay extra for fully modular PSU? Only advantage is that you can take out PSU without unplugging it from the MOBO. Otherwise paying more for it is not worth it. You need to have MOBO and CPU wires plugged in anyway (they are hard-wired to PSU in semi-modular models), and then you connect only one bundle of cables for GPU.
If you go for AMD GPU you will want to look for monitor with FreeSync 2. If you go for NVidia you will need to look for something with G-sync, which is in general more expensive than open AMD solution. Or look for FreeSync monitor that supports NVidia cards.
I have 144Hz monitor with FreeSync and AMD card, there is no tearing whatsoever after FreeSync is on and V-sync off. I also dropped max GPU framerate to 120, I don't play competitive games to aim for fastest possible response and it drops GPU usage. So in low demanding games fans are off.
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I'll make sure to get V2.
It's the first time I'm building a computer, so I assume fully modular PSU is the easier way to go for beginners.
Great tip on the freeSync stuff! I didn't know about it. I may end up grabbing an NVidia if I can find them in stock, and the monitor upgrade would come afterward, so I'll make sure to check for G-sync if I manage to get an NVidia.
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Honestly - I think it's easier to beginners to go for semi-modular, as you have one less cable to worry about :P At least my first semi-modular PSU was not perfectly described in instruction, and I had to guess a bit where I should put cable from GPU and drives.
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AMD are potentially announcing new cards today and possibly even some more budget orientated CPUs. Availability will propbably be awful granted but might well be worth holding your breath for a few hours more :)
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oh wow o_o I'm just in time huh.
Are new products usually immediately available after the announcement? (And do price drop for the older products then?)
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No, certainly this year everything AMD is massively delayed cause they're trying to pump out PS/Xbox/CPUs/GPUs all at once. On the plus side the presentation just finished and they announced fuckall, so the 3600/5700 combo looks even more appealing than it already did. Happy days.
5700 replacement won't be around till the summer sadly.
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LWTvNP tried to shave off some cost, 970 evo+ isn't worth the current asking price, the sn750 is in theory a tad slower, in practice there is not a big difference, 850W is overkill, a good 600W unit is enough for your system and arctic or cooler master is your preference ... gpu pricing is nuts atm and you could also look for the 10400f ... with slower ram and a b460 board you could shave off atleast 70-90$. granted no pcie4 support.
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don't mix AMD with INTEL / Gforce.
if you buy an AMD Cpu then buy an AMD graphic card.
if you buy Intel Cpu then buy Gforce graphic card.
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sorry if you can't handle your own ignorance, you can always use google to get some info, however we both know you are not going to do it, because you prefer continue being ignorant and blame others with "non sense" than try to learn things.
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Yeah, no.. I would love to see you elaborate on this.
You are the first person who I see claiming something like that
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And that loss is so insignificent that it's not worth mentioning (if the loss even occures due to some driver or infrastructure differences and/or incompatibilities). I would definitely love to see some actual data of your claims that prove there is performance loss that people should take into consideration (and not just one off case that doesn't prove anything, because you can't rule out that there isn't simply problem on testers end not with the actual components)
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+1...but we are ignorqnt...b etter not argue with the professor...i had always AMD COU and Chipset combined with bot nvidia and radeon and they worked flawlessy with no issue at all. so saying somethjing like : don't mix AMD with INTEL / Gforce.
if you buy an AMD Cpu then buy an AMD graphic card.
if you buy Intel Cpu then buy Gforce graphic card...
To Me is a complete NON sense.. but whatever....i leave this conversation...donb't like being insulted from someone that show no proof fo his statement..sry bad english, regard to all
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proof?
google it, not going to write another time here what it's been wrote thousand of times already, isn't my problem if you are to lazy to search by yourself.
you ask for things, and when people tell you these things you don't want to heard them.
just the tipical kid behaviour.
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isn't insignificent as you think, it also can give compatibility problems in some games, but eh continue without informing yourself.
it's better to continue being ignorant and just look that you know what are you talking about.
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I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I'm asking you for proof for what you are saying because at this stage it's old wives tales. OP is trying to build PC and if you can't show proof for your claims then why are you even trying to give advice to OP ?
And yes, of course I googled and read through incompatibility cases. None showed there are known problems one should look for.
be that enlightened perfect person who "educates" us ignorant fools who don't take some dudes baseless claims without doubting them.
Please - I want to know your wise secrets oh wise one. I am using AMD with Gforce card as well, would love to see where i was so foolish in picking this combo.
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just tipe on google ---> why i shouldn't combine AMD with INTEL.
gg search for a bit and you will find why you shouldn't, i'm not going to write a book here specially when you are not going to "open your mind" until you see by yourself.
Welcome to Internet where people ask for proofs and when they get it, they ignore it and say that these proofs are false.
and because that phrase i'm not going to lose my time showing you any proof because with your actitude from the start anything i will say you will not believe it or you will try to find an excuse to don't believe it.
search them by yourself, i already gave you the tools to do it, you have no excuse now to don't do it.
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Oh, cmon dude
I really don't want to continue this because it is getting off topic fast.. but have YOU actually googled that yourself ? I triple checked to see if I'm blind or something, every link in that exact google search opens to a topic where it states there is no difference in mixing these two. Are you trolling me at this point or something ? I'm genuinely at a loss here.
What proofs ? do you still reference your original comment which just states something vague ? You know, with every comment of yours I'm more inclined to think you are just trolling here
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I would say try to get an HD 1TB for backups and some games that dont need SSD
I have a SSD but only 120GB for Windows,apps and launchers while I keep games and files and stuff on my HD and I am planning to get a 1TB SSD for those long load times games like GTA,RDR and stuff that take forever to load on an HD but are considerably faster on a SSD
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i would replace Corsair PSU with an Enermax.and the RAM i would get a Gskill kit.
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Corsair RMx (2018) are best A grade single-rail PSUs
https://linustechtips.com/topic/1116640-psucultists-psu-tier-list/
850w uhhh for what?
750w is enough for 10900k + amd6800(nv3800) without overclock
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Enermax for me are 1 of the best manufacturer for PSU...and i think 650 watts is more than enough
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Case: be quiet! Pure Base 500DX
all Phanteks also be good
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Yes I agree with the be Quiet!. I have the previous Be Quiet! Pure Base 500 in white with window.
Now I would go for the new 500DX for even better airflow.
These Be Quiet! cases are very good for large CPU coolers because they are wide (~23cm) and have good preinstalled fans
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Motherboards choose from https://linustechtips.com/topic/1137619-motherboard-vrm-tier-list-v2-currently-amd-only/
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When upgrading/buying a gaming PC, I usually go with the min/max approach:
Maximum value for minimum budget.
So the way I do it is I start with the parts that are most important for gaming performance, and then expand to other parts by order of importance.
Now the most important part, which has the most impact on the game performance is the GPU.
So it’s important to pick either the best-band-for-buck GPU if you’re on a budget, or a best performance if you have a bigger budget.
Now we get to parts with secondary impact on performance.
You usually have some minimal performance you need from these, but then upgrading them (even to the most expensive option) would only bring marginal improvement in performance.
These are:
CPU: Ryzen 5 3600 - sounds enough, don’t think going with 8 or even 16 cores, will add much performance in games.
Memory: 16GB DDR4-3600 sounds enough
SSD: Actually SSD disks are good enough for gaming, going NVME will cost much more but will only have marginal improvement in games (if at all).
Power Supply: 850W is more than enough. 650W-750W would probably be enough as well. You want it of good quality, because it’s the one part that can potentially blow/destroy all other parts in your build. However, there’s really no point going overboard here. I’ve had simple no-brand PSUs work with no problems for years, so I’m not sure how much quality is real need, and how much is hype meant to overcharge you for useless abilities.
Having it modular is one useless ability for example.
And the last category is of nice to have items, which you can almost buy the cheapest.
Motherboard - you need it to support your CPU & Memory, but nothing else much. The differences is usually number of ports & software (which is mostly useless).
Wireless network adapter - you can buy a motherboard with this built-in
Case - Just make sure it’s big enough so it’s comfortable for you to replace parts. Beyond that cases are mostly used to show-off, not much usability in them.
CPU Cooler - You can buy more quiet or more reliable ones, but mostly there is not much difference.
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About case - would be nice to be able to hide cables behind back panel, without feeling like you need to force close it due to lack of space. But otherwise yup - no way to overpay, as at some point you pay for look or brand, not something actually useful.
People will complain that "this case is so light it must be made from cardboard!". How much you move the case though? Pretty much never. You also don't sit on it.
Props of m2 disc is that you don't need to put it in extra bay and connect it with SATA and power cable. Just put into the slot and you're happy.
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Yeah, there is slight advantage there.
But on the other hand - how often do you really need to swap disks?
Pretty much never.
And you still need to shutdown the machine, disconnect cables for safety, open it up, and only then perform the 1-time feat of adding/replacing a disk.
Doesn't sound like something worth overpaying for...
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Not from "general" standpoint, but if you want to have "neat" case inside you may be willing to pay more to get rid of SATA cables plugged into the MOBO.
Some people overpay to grab expensive Lian-Li cases with inverted components mounting and what not. It is an option, even when it's overpayed.
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Yes, I agree.
I myself don't even own a single "RGB" product in my gaming rig.
But there are people for whom appearance and/or aesthetics are important, and are willing to pay more in order for their rig to look neater or be flashier (with lights and such).
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Dude, you have almost the same specs as my gaming rig. 😀
Mine:
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor
GPU: SAPPHIRE Radeon RX 5700
Motherboard: MSI B450-A Pro Max
RAM Ballistix DDR4 Sport LT 2x8GB 3200
I play Cyberpunk on high settings on 1920x1080 with GREAT performance (bugs excluded).
Horizon Zero Dawn 2560x1440 smooth as fuck.
(Playing Cyberpunk on lower res to get a smoother experience while shooting/aiming)
You're good to go.
like mentioned before.. most games dont need a SSD. Stick in a extra 1 tb oldschool HD.
I only play the huge AAA games on SSD.
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1tb might not be enough for a second 7,200 HD.
I have 2 secondary internal hardrives and they're both full even though they're pretty big.
12tb in total .
I suppose it depends on how you do things.
Some of us are hoarders :)
Anyway ,sounds like a good build if the price is right.
Prices will rise and fall constantly so ,unless they've gone crazy atmo ,there's really no right or wrong time to click buy.
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--------------- Update ---------------
Thank you everyone for your valuable input. <3 I read every single comment, even if I don't reply to all of them.
I did a few tweaks in the list and bought everything except for the graphics card, which went out of stock overnight (hahah...=_=)
Hopefully one of the decent graphics cards will be back in stock soon :3
The GA is open for another 5 days, feel free to enter~
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Hello SGers,
To celebrate graduating and maybe finally getting a real job, I'm celebrating by upgrading my current lap-toaster to a PC capable of 3D graphics higher than 5 FPS.
First time building a PC, it seems only appropriate that I seek suggestions about gaming PC spec on a game-related forum. So here you go, tell me what you think of this PC build:
(PC Part Picker link) https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FFqtrr
For those who don't want to click on links:
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor
CPU-Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO V2
Motherboard: MSI B550-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard
RAM: Crucial Ballistix 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory
SSD: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive
Graphics Card: PowerColor Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB Red Dragon Video Card
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2018) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply
Wireless Network Adapter (for Wifi and bluetooth): Gigabyte GC-WB867D-I PCIe x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter
I'm looking to build a gaming PC that can run games like Bioshock Infinite or Tomb Raider smoothly in high-ish setting while leaving room for future upgrades if desired. No strict budget, as long as it's not crazy expensive.
I think an NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super would be a better card than the current Radeon RX 5700 XT. But the NVidia GPU seem to be all sold out for now. I figured Radeon is a pretty good replacement.
For the power supply unit, would 850W be overkill? considering the current wattage estimate is around 400W.
I think I'll only ever use 500GB storage space, but I read that it's better for the SSD capacity to be larger than the utilization. So I went with 1TB.
What do you think?
Obligatory GA offering
https://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/q80 gO/
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