Sonic All-Star Racing Transformed and Chivalry for a buck? Whoa.
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If this is going to cost 1$ im going to buy it! I want Sonic, chivalry and Magicka.
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Guy your news are always current.
Any site for upcoming leaks, maybe you guys should consider host one!
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Had this email this morning on the bundle:
Hello Yogscast Pre-Purchasers,
Thanks for supporting the The Yogscast's Dwarven Dairy Drive!
Unfortunately, the version of the site that you purchased from was not intended for the public and did not properly represent the structure of the promotion. With that in mind, redemptions will work as follows:
The content will appear on your download pages after the launch of the promotion. If you wish to increase your order, you can do so by using the order adder on the top of your download page:
https://www.humblebundle.com/s?key=justforme:pThank you for supporting Oxfam, Special Effect, Little People UK, GamesAid and War Child. Feel free to contact us if you have any problems and sorry for the confusion.
Humble Bundle
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Wow sweet bundle :O!!! I remember getting chivalry for the full price and it wasn't worth it >.>... Well anyway TF2!!!
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thx for the info.. i like getting a heads up on bundles but dislike how susupicious i am of people now making giveaways for these games :/
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Hello Yogscast Pre-Purchasers,
Thanks for supporting the The Yogscast's Dwarven Dairy Drive!
Unfortunately, the version of the site that you purchased from was not intended for the public and did not properly represent the structure of the promotion. With that in mind, redemptions will work as follows:
The content will appear on your download pages after the launch of the promotion. If you wish to increase your order, you can do so by using the order adder on the top of your download page:
https://www.humblebundle.com/s?key=XXXXXXXThank you for supporting Oxfam, Special Effect, Little People UK, GamesAid and War Child. Feel free to contact us if you have any problems and sorry for the confusion.
Humble Bundle
I just received this email.
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I understand that it's a good cause and all, but not everyone can afford 25 dollars, especially in this economy, and there was the false pretense that we'd actually get the games. It's Humble Bundle standard procedure to have a PWYW pricing plan when not otherwise listed, and at the time we purchased it (because even though it wasn't intended to be, it actually was open to purchase) no price restrictions were listed. Besides, it makes it sound like the 1 dollar DLC is going to be standard for everyone. I think we should at least get a real early buyer bonus here.
I don't want to be that "entitled gamer," but there is a such thing as false advertising, and it does straddle the line between being acceptable and not being acceptable. I mean, it didn't directly say PWYW, but it didn't give any other price, so that was the assumption. It would be at least nice if they just gave us early buyers one game or something, even if it's not the whole shebang, you know?
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I mean yeah, I won't either. I appreciate the charities. There were just certain false pretenses behind the offer.
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Defense force inbound.
How bout you just shut up and let us have our disappointment, alright?
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Sorry but you are coming off as that spoiled "entitled gamer". You and everyone else indirectly accessed a page that was incomplete and not intended for public consumption (evidenced by the fact that it was taken down shortly thereafter) -- there is no "advertising" here, false or otherwise. If you bought in you have no one to blame but yourselves, period.
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Now that IS cheap because it costs them at least 30 cents per transaction. If I ever don't want the Steam keys (which isn't often) I at LEAST give 50 cents to cover the cost of the transaction fee.
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I guess you could do 1 cent bitcoin and it wouldn't cost them any transaction fees, but yeah CC fees are usually 30 cents + 3% or something along those lines.
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I mean the THQ, EA, and WB bundles weren't, as well as any of the other great bundles. This one seems as good as any of the AAA bundles, so it didn't strike me as too odd.
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The thing is that, as it is currently listed (and it could change), there's no real value to donate $25. The bundles you just mentioned already had a huge amount of value for donating PWYC, then added an additional layer of gravy on top. All I see is that anyone who donates anything under $25 gets a DLC or two and maybe one game, and even that's pushing it.
That's to say nothing of the fact that you can already buy these games for a combined price that's roughly the same. Unless they're adding a ton of extra games at that tier, I just don't see it as worthwhile. The AAA bundles made so much money for a reason - low entry point, huge value.
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That's because this is less of a bundle and more of a charity drive. The games are supposed to be the gravy. Unfortunately for Humble, what people are expecting are bundles, not a charity drive with some games on the side. A broken page with no information doesn't help, of course.
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By its own definition, all of the bundles that have ever been offered on HB are charity drives. If this is "less of a bundle, and more of a charity drive", as you say, why don't they just run the livestream and take donations through their site that way?
The two elements (games and charity) have to go hand-in-hand to work, and there has to be some incentive for people to spend more money and go to higher levels (usually through the gravy on top of the already-great base lineup).
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"why don't they just run the livestream and take donations through their site that way?"
This is what, third year of their oxfam charity livestreams? They did use justgiving before and are most likely use it again this year. As I see it HB is just another way you can donate, possibly added for those who could not donate on justgiving for any reason and also a way of giving something in return for bigger donations.
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I did become aware of their previous livestreams, yes, so I will concede that point.
However, if the promotion is true, there's still no incentive to donate anything less than $25, which makes me question the whole point of the promotion in the first place. As I said before, you can already get the games listed in the email for roughly the same price, so where's the value that's drawing in people who wouldn't donate otherwise?
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Livestreams are the incentive to donate anything at all. It's not about buying games, it's about giving to charity/thanking the streamers for their work.
In previous years there were many people donating and there were also few who donated crazy amounts of money multiple times. Most of those people got nothing in return but they did not expect to get anything (with exceptions when streamers did mini contests "everyone who donate at least x£ for the next hour will get y"; "y" being pins, drawings made by Zoey and so on). This year Yogscast wanted to give something back to those who decide to give more than 25$ (again, this is not buying games, they are only a thank you bonus from streamers) so this is NOT a promotion.
Do you think people will suddenly decide not to donate because of not getting games (because those who would donate on justgiving are going to do so anyway)? The only difference is the fact that HB might help them get donations from non-fans who otherwise would not care about their charity (because honestly why would they?).
Also people falsely understand that if it's HB then it must be for cheap games while from the beginning it was about charity.
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The difference between Humble Bundle and other charity sites is that the promotions are clearly designed to bring in people who wouldn't donate otherwise (hence the low "entry" price). The core base who normally donates is all well and good, but HB is a much larger platform, with much larger expectations.
Like I said before, when it comes to HB, charity and games go hand in hand. There is no incentive for the guy who just wants to donate a couple bucks, because he's not receiving anything in return. That's not the fault of the Yogscast team, but rather the site itself for ingraining those expectations in people.
If your only argument is "lol, charity", I could donate $20 to any of those organizations any time I want and be no better off than if I donated to this bundle. That's my point - barring any further additions to the bundle, I'm unsure why they took the time to host it on that site when there's no clear understanding of how to provide value to the people who want to chip in small amounts.
By the way, I did contribute $5 when the page was up. I didn't expect anything either.
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Please show me where I use "lol, charity". And does it mean that we should expect for humble store to work the same as their bundles just because it's hosted by HIB?
Besides I am one of the people who wanted to donate something in previous years but justgiving just didn't want to let me. Thanks to use of HB this year we will be able to do so thanks to bigger variety of payment options. Still can' see a reason for using HB? (+ there are 2 types of people who are the main target of this action: charity donators and fans who want and can afford to to thank yogscast and their guests for the livestreams; "I want moar" bundlers are not and noone is going to cry if they think this action sucks)
Also as a fan event it will be promoted and explained more than necessary on forums/livstreams (and it is an event considering the fact that it's going to last for a month)
PS: The only group responsible for the misunderstanding is people expecting God knows what from the site (usually when there is something new showing up we can expect change of rules we got used to so 31 days duration alone is enough hint to "this may not be the usual humble bundle) and this is even without taking into consideration the broken site (wrong video, no game images, no price information including "minimum 1$ for steam keys" info)
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The second sentence you said ("It's not about buying games, it's about giving to charity/thanking the streamers for their work"). That's what your argument boils down to. The Humble Store has no bearing on this discussion.
As far as your second paragraph, you've missed the point completely. You say that this is intended for fans and charity donators. How does any of that apply to the Humble Bundle format, and why are they going to the trouble of setting up shop on a new site if (a) they don't understand the format, (b) there are no clear incentives for people who want to donate at lower tiers, and (c) they already have a successful charity drive on other sites?
Fine, you're a fan. That's great. I watch their content semi-regularly too. Doesn't mean their promotion makes sense, especially if you can already get the games listed on their promotion for the same price or less.
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I still fail to find the "lol" part. What I said is the actual intention behind this whole event (month of livestreams and collecting donations for charity).
As for the second paragraph, can you show me another site giving collected money directly to charity (in previous years they used site that gave the money not to them but directly for the cause they chose and I believe they wanted to continue with that) and having as many payment options as HB (because changing sites might be an answer to those who could not donate on justgiving). Also a) they do understand the format, it's a charity site not a shop; b) they have minimum 5$ for TF item (those who took part of previous actions and some other fans do not need incentive but it might be a nice bonus); c) it was flawed in matter of payment options (if you don't have x or y you can't pay) and HB gives us more payment options (I couldn't pay on justgiving but never had problems with HIB)
And did you even watch linked in OP video where they talk about this? Also first livestream is today and most likely the site should go live the same time it starts and the first thing they should do is explaining some things related to changing donation site and so on (+ they tent to make yt videos about their events and explain things in them too). As for the high "price" for the games, if they are meant to be a bonus for those of good heart then maybe it is meant to be above the price you can pay for them at shop just to stop people from treating this action as sales promotion (it was stated thet they got limited amount of game codes and some of them might run out before January as well as they may get some codes for other games so discouraging people from giving in order to get games is reasonable; if you donate only because you want to give something them extra games might be a nice bonus but you would not whine that you did not get one when they run out; if you pay only to buy games then you have the right to feel cheated for not getting "what you paid for"). Can you see the difference?
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"What I said is the actual intention behind this whole event (month of livestreams and collecting donations for charity)."
Yes, I read what you said. It's semantics. The crux of your argument boils down to "it's for charity". You didn't need to write several paragraphs explaining it.
Your second paragraph is irrelevant. Regardless of what payment options are being offered on what sites, Justgiving was working very well for them.
"a) they do understand the format, it's a charity site not a shop"
No, they don't. If they did, they would know (as mentioned below) that you have to have incentivized tiers so that people who bid low have the drive to donate more. There is no incentive with their current promotion. Now that their page is up, if anything, the description of the price value of the games is a bold-faced lie.
"b) they have minimum 5$ for TF item (those who took part of previous actions and some other fans do not need incentive but it might be a nice bonus)"
Do you not understand Humble Bundles at all? Most of their sales (I'd wager a good 75% or more) are made by people dropping a dollar or two. A non-tradable badge for a game some people might not have played is not a reason to donate.
") it was flawed in matter of payment options (if you don't have x or y you can't pay) and HB gives us more payment options (I couldn't pay on justgiving but never had problems with HIB)"
MasterCard
Visa Credit Card
Visa Electron
Visa Debit (or Visa Delta)
Switch / Maestro
PayPalThat's right off an FAQ connected to the site. Again, you haven't shown how HIB is better in terms of payment. Unless you think that Amazon and Google+ payments are going to make a difference vs. JustGiving allowing you to pay in six different currencies.
"As for the high "price" for the games, if they are meant to be a bonus for those of good heart."
Look, it's fairly clear that you're a big fan, but you're circling my point. HIB is supposed to be value and charity going hand-in-hand. Not only is their promotion barely a humble bundle (where's the "humble" part?), but there's no value for anyone who wants to donate, as a majority of the people who use the site do.
Now, if you're going to keep writing verbal diarrhea and ignore facts, that's your problem.
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How about you try to read instead going for "I know you are a fan insert insult here". As a fan I might see some things as obvious (like this is how it works, it is clear because it's the same as year or two ago) but I understand that for others it may seem unreasonable. Still being a fan does not make me any more stupid than you or anyone else.
Justgiving paypal option required you to have your account linked with a credit card and it didn't matter that you had the means to pay, it was CC of FU so yeah, HIB is way better (CC, pp not connected to CC, amazon, and for some weird reason google wallet because I was sue they deleted that option). If I could use CC there would be no problem. So people wanted more payment options and this was a way to do so, what's wrong about that?
a/b/whatnot) so it is live and so far I can't see it listed on HIB tabs so you need a link to enter the site so you can expect it is not usual bundle (so no need for "thank you for paying as little as you can" gratification; people who pay less than 5$ are most likely to be read out on livestream with following "thank you", here is your incentive and what is funny it did work in the past well enough). Usual humble collects money by selling games, they make attractive price and this is the factor that makes people pay. This event brings people to watch livestreams and if someone wants to gratify streamers they can pay (for the entertainment they got and so on); in this case games are not the main focus - livestreams are. And is HIB not allowed to host any kind of event other than usual bundles because people got used to how it used to work? They added weeklys, set weekly bta at 6$, linked with steam accounts, opened regular shop and now they are hosting an event; it's not a bundle so it does not need to follow bundle rules and if people get to finally realize that maybe in the future more people would consider hosting their charity drives (with or without gratification) on HIB site. HIB is obviously not afraid of diversity and it seems they are open for changes but if people refuse them the right to do something more then hosting bundles they might just decide it's not worth it. And do you believe it is reasonable to shut down opportunities for improvement and widening their offer just because people are used to it being different?
And then quoting one part but completely ignoring other does not make you clever but lazy so let me show you the essence of the "good heart" part: maybe it is meant to be above the price you can pay for them at shop just to stop people from treating this action as sales promotion (bonus = something you might get; promotion = something you are entitled to get if you managed to buy it before "we have no more codes" info). It was stated that they got limited amount of game codes and some of them might run out before January as well as they may get some codes for other games (there is no stable "after you pay this much you are sure to get this and that", they rules will change with time and it is unavoidable for some people to be disappointed if the buy it for something and they don't get it because of lack of keys) so discouraging people from giving in order to get games is reasonable (like the less people pay to buy something the less problems there will be after we run out of keys); if you donate only because you want to give something then extra games might be a nice bonus (like "I don't need it and if I get something I'll give it away anyway") but you would not whine that you did not get one when they run out; if you pay only to buy games then you have the right to feel cheated for not getting "what you paid for" (the shop type "it was stated as a bonus when I bought it so I don't care if they don't have keys anymore, I paid for it and it's their problem to get it for me")
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Calm down, boy. You're coming across as an overzealous fan who parrots talking points.
Again, you have ignored most of my points.
Your first point about Paypal is semantics. Offering one or two more options (two of which are lesser-known payment methods) doesn't justify the switch offhand.
"people who pay less than 5$ are most likely to be read out on livestream with following "thank you", here is your incentive and what is funny it did work in the past well enough)."
What does that have to do with anything? The Yogscast team owes me nothing. Likewise, I owe them nothing unless the value of the bundle is good. It's not. That's all there is to it.
"Usual humble collects money by selling games, they make attractive price...they added weeklys, set weekly bta at 6$, linked with steam accounts, opened regular shop and now they are hosting an event; it's not a bundle so it does not need to follow bundle rules and if people get to finally realize that maybe in the future more people would consider hosting their charity drives (with or without gratification) on HIB site."
Again, irrelevant. Weeklys have nothing to do with this. The Humble Store primarily deals with indie games at cheap prices - again, not relevant to this.
Again, you've missed the point. This is the "least humble" bundle we've seen. The games can be had for far less, and if your argument comes down to "watch the livestream! Charity!", you've already failed.
Not only that, but half the games in this bundle have already been made available for free in other HIB's (Torchlight), are going F2P in the future (Magicka) or are being sold for dirt cheap right now (Sonic ASTR).
Please stop, before you embarrass yourself further.
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First of all, not a boy (now expecting period jokes), Second, maybe for you "if you're going to keep writing verbal diarrhea" is not offensive but for me it is therefore I might feel insulted because of that (and if you think being a fan got anything with it it's your call).
"Your first point about Paypal is semantics" you mean the fact that on one site you need CC to pay and on other you don't is of no importance?
"What does that have to do with anything?" you wanted an incentive so here you have it
"Again, irrelevant." I wanted to somehow emphasize the fact that HIB is changing/evolving/call it what you want but maybe my way of explaining things is not appealing for you enough to give it a thought
"Again, you've missed the point." the problem is that you are missing the point but I'm tired of trying to explain this, you clearly do not want to understand what I'm trying to say
"Please stop, before you embarrass yourself further." now this is interesting how you find a discussion where two people are trying to show the other their point of view an embarrassment (or maybe one person trying too hard to explain something to "I don't care, you don't understand" type). Maybe if you tried to stop comparing it to humble bundles and tried to see it as any other charity livestream set, with their usual top earnings and HB just as money collection site you could somehow get where I'm coming from (but apparently you are too busy getting over the "fan" aspect of my personality when I'm trying to give you some explanations/arguments/whatnot and saying "you are talking shit because you're a fan" does not convince me that there is an actual flaw in my logic)
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