so i got my first scam today, for a region locked version of football manager 2015 after he said it was ROW
and not to make it lengthy
i wanna ask for suggestions
what should i do with it now
and im actually thinking of trying VPN since the gift is there in my inventory doing nothing
any suggestions
tips
thanks guys :(

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i sent an offer with a loss in steamtrades
but no one wants it i guess :(

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Very unlikely anyone takes that trade. Most people value ROW copies far more than locked ones. IE locked Evil Within keys are going for 9-10 keys, ROW for double that

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Activating it via VPN = High risk of ban.

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Yolo right ?

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it cost me soo much and im soo desperate now :)

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Desperate for a ban?

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Oh actually I knew a Russian with a trade ban, I asked him why he was trade banned, and he said because he traded to some Chinese girl a game saying it was ROW, he lied to her, so she wrote to support and he got a trade ban, and I guess trade was revoked, so I suggest you writing to Steam support, this type of scam is punishable by Steam Support, just do it so this guy stops scamming other ppl. But don't try to activate your game via VPN. But first try to ask the trader to give you back your items you traded.

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i asked him
he said no way and removed me :)
expected ofc

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So report him to Steam support, but open a ticket, not just "report" button on his profile, they might help you and stop him from continuing scamming, and revert trade to get your items back, this is clearly a scam, and Steam Support must help in this case, as I heard they helped others with same cases.

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awesome idea - loose account with 162 games on over 1 game ;p

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Would making a fresh account just for that game work so if Steam banned the account they'd only lose the 1 game? Or would they search to see if anyone from the same IP was accessing other accounts then ban all associated accounts too?

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Impossible. People can access Steam from public spots (universities, etc.) and ban everyone can cause big trouble.

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*lose

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They said like a kanjillion times that they don't ban your Acc simply for activating a game/key that was already bought. Ban is only applied when you use a VPN to BUY on RU-Store for example or if you use cc-fraud to pay for your stuff. However there is a certain chance, that they remove the region locked game from your libary again.

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didn't know about that

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It wouldn't have helped in this case. This game was region locked retroactively. You wouldn't know it was locked until after the trade happened.

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When a game is retrolocked, apparently the warning doesn't show up now until the game is gifted to someone. That makes these type of scams possible, unfortunately.

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Im adding you to discuss this.

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ok :)

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|What region ? Do you have some trusted friend from this region ? Let him log onto ur steam acc. from there. Activate the game. voilà

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don't know what region (how can i find that out!!? ) and no i don't have many foreigner friends

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Please refer to the back of the Football Manager 2015 box to confirm your region. Your region will be indicated as either (A), (B) or (C).

Region (A)

This game is region locked and cannot be activated through Steam in the following countries:

Brazil, Columbia, Argentina, Peru, Venezuela, Chile, Ecuador, Bolivia, Paraguay, Uruguay, Guyana, Suriname, French Guiana, Falkland Islands, China, Taiwan, Hong Kong, India, Korea, Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, Myanmar, Singapore, Malaysia, Philippines, Indonesia, Brunei, Turkey, Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Moldova, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan.

Region (B)

This game is region locked and can only be activated through Steam in the following countries:

Brazil, Columbia, Argentina, Peru, Venezuela, Chile, Ecuador, Bolivia, Paraguay, Uruguay, Guyana, Suriname, French Guiana, Falkland Islands.

Region (C)

This game is region locked and can only be activated through Steam in the following countries:

Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Moldova, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan

Info from here http://www.sega.com/regions/?r=true

Ask him from where he is so you find out region.

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he unfriended me :) can't ask him no more :)

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and get scammed for your entire account xD

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lol

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Well, I have a friend who did it few times for me. It's all about trust.

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lol u made me laugh in my bad time here :) thanks for that :)

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what is or how it works VPN activation? You have to "hide" your IP to steam?

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no you get another IP like russian ip or ASV.

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The gift in your inventory doesn't look locked; what's the message you get when trying to activate it?

Edit: I'm not good at steamdb, but I can't see that it's locked in any way...

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if u buy gifts row and noob steam locks it will not show has locked but when u try to activate it is locked happened many times and most recent with shadow of mordor

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Sorry, an error has occurred:

This item cannot be added to your library because it is restricted from your country.

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What did the trader say when you told them you can't activate the game? A decent trader would undo the trade...

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i asked for an undo, he said no and then unfriended me

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"MY first SCAM" my first thought was that you scam someone :P

Don't be so sad, there are people who were scammed and left with nothing, you have the game, i suggest you to trade it for some other game (probably no one will trade it for the same game but without region lock), if not, give it away on gameminer or somewhere else (steamgifts not allow to give away region lock games) but trying to use VPN.. you really don't care about your 160 games? if yes then try, but be warned, if steam will find out, your account will be lost forever

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MY first BANK ROBBERY

So, i was at the bank and some dudes came in and started shooting everyone..

EDIT: im just kidding, not trying to be rude :P

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lmao

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lol guys :D

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So you weren't planning?

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NO, of course not.

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MY first TRIPLE HOMICIDE.

it's good, to take this off my chest...

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"Payday"

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It has the dreaded "AllowCrossRegionTradingAndGifting No" tag https://steamdb.info/sub/42480/. In most cases it should have a warning attached to the gift but I don't see it. I also don't see warnings on the store page about being region locked. It could be that the user was unaware about this. I would try to contact the trader and undo the trade.

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i tried that :) he said no then unfriended me

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Right, so you have to look under packages and find the store sub id and then you can check stuff? I always fail at steamdb'ing :(

But, if it doesn't allow cross-region trading, how did they even trade it...?

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how can i do that?

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What I did was find the app id of the game - http://store.steampowered.com/**app/295270/ link
And then take it to steamdb - https://steamdb.info/
app/295270/** link
Then under Packages there's an entry that reads "Store or CD key" under Billing type; that takes you to https://steamdb.info/sub/42480/ link where under Additional Information you can see AllowCrossRegionTradingAndGifting set to No.

Edit: links

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Actually, if the game has some hidden flag that says no crossregion trading, you should ask Steam support to undo the trade or fix your game, since you had no chance knowing you couldn't play the game.

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Man, just write a ticket to steam support, tell them you got gift but is region locked, maybe they will help you with it...

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ok i will

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This is not going to help him.

Support doesn't actually care if you a fooled by something this simple.

Got a RU item? Can't get the trader to trade-back? Trade it with an RU trader for something that isn't. This isn't a scam, this is, "I didn't read, and because I assumed everything was kosher, I got burned."

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but i read and asked and saw no warnings, i was careful.
but anyway u r right, im trying to move on now and i'm trying to reduce my losses

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well people are saying it was retroactive, so it might do a bit of good

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Are you saying Steam requires you to go to a third party site to read up on trade restrictions?
And speaking of trade restrictions - why do they allow trading if the game is trade restricted.
Blaming OP for this makes no sense.

And how do you define "scam"? Saying something is ROW when it isn't falls into my scamming category - especially when the trader refuses to undo the trade.

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Actually, the gift copy he got has no indication of a region lock, it looks "normal", so he had no way of knowing it was locked in the first place. It's most likely because of a retroactive lock - inventory copies don't get the "red text" warning these days.

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Even after that lock it looks weird. I'm from Russia, it looks normal in my cart, but it does have a warning now when I try to proceed. I'm not planning to buy it, so I can't tell how it will looks like after the purchase now.

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That's how it happens after the new store update. If you buy the game right now, it will have the region lock warning in your inventory, as it should, because the game is locked now. This thing with no warnings only happens with games that were locked retroactively, that is, if you bought a game before they applied the lock to all inventory copies.

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Weird, it wasn't like this with Valiant hearts when they got retrolocked in my bp. They got big red flashy warning right in my bp when I was asleep.

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Yes, it only started with the new Steam storefront update in late September. The Valiant Hearts thing happened before that.

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Wow that sucks, good luck man
Hope you can resolve this

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Thanks for the wishes :) u guys all of u are great :)

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Why even do region restrictions exist? And why some games are only avaible to buy at some regions? Isnt that retarded?

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Not really

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It's mostly to allow regional pricing. People in the US make more money than people in Russia, so companies can charge more in the US than they can in Russia. But if they do that with something that's sold online, all the US people will buy the Russian versions, right? Hence, regional pricing.

Remember, the goal when setting prices is to maximize (units sold) x (per-unit price) -- minus per-unit overhead, but that's infinitesimal for digital products. You lower your price, you sell more units; and there's a certain sweet spot where your profits are as high as possible -- lowering the price wouldn't sell enough additional units to make up for it; and raising it would sell fewer so you'd earn less. That sweet spot where you maximize that value is going to vary from region to region based on factors like demand, the amount of free spending money typical customers in the region have, and so on. Regional pricing allows a company to target it more precisely.

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i was scammed by 4700 eur 2 weeks ago , so just telling you it could have been worse :)

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Woah
it actually made me more sad that this can happen
sorry for ur loss man

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How the hell did that happen? o_O

Was it a Nigerian prince? :(

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Not really , a guy from steamtrades , bought from him for over a year not to resell. Last time i paid him 4.7k and i received nothing.

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So you paid some guy on the internet that you've never met (doesn't really matter that you've bought/traded for over a year really...), 4,700 Euro?!? o_O

Why would you EVER spend that much money on video games?!?

Also, why the hell would you give it to a guy you've never met?!? o_O

That's a SHIT LOAD of money... -_-

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I don't even have so much money and you gave them to a random guy. dufuq?

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I don't know where you live or what bank account you use, but in germany you can take back the transfer within several weeks. 2 weeks are free of charge, after 2 weeks you get charged a fee.

If you sent it via paypal, there should also be several ways to get the money back. Also, 4700€ should be worth contacting a lawyer or going to the police.

Not to mention the feds/taxes. When some guy sells you games for that amount of money, the feds could try to get him, since that is obviously a business and I doubt that he actually runs it as an official business. Otherwise you would have a receipt, name and adress and it would be easy to sue him.

I don't want to judge you or your actions, but this story seems to be way beyond belief.

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xD Love u guys

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Take it up to Steam Support.. you had no way of knowing the gift was not redeemable since there's no info on it. That's a problem they should deal with, they can probably switch it to a copy you can redeem if you explain it to them nicely and insist that there was no way for you to know.

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You can take it to Steam support with chatlogs, but the best they can do is trade ban or probate him.

As for you, why would you trust him if he says it's region locked? Just put your over the gift and read carefully, it'll tell you the region.

And don't VPN, Steam could ban you for that.

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Banning the seller is just rude, game devs' are the ones to blame here, they put retroactive region lock on this game 5 days ago, locking already bought games as well.

And already bought gifts look normal without any sign of being region locked, check OP's steam inventory.

As far as I can see, OP have few choices here:

1) A (very long) conversation with steam support, so they would unlock his game (which I doubt that it will work, since the support could be exploited to unlock more games for profit from now on in this case);

2) Contact the game seller and persuade him to trade back (which he already refused as OP said). I feel bad for the guy whose (expensive) game copy he was selling got retrolocked right in his bp, but he did said it's RoW to OP.

3) (bannable by steam) VPN

4) Keep the locked copy like a memo (and buy a RoW version)

5) Raffle it in a group/private raffle for those who will be able to activate it (and buy a RoW version)

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While I agree that its not nice to retrolock games, devs are not to blame for the scam. The trader lied about the gift, traded it and now refuses to take it back. That is basically scam. And scamming people is against the steam TOS. Violating the steam TOS is a reason for a ban. That has nothing to do with being rude.

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The gift copy in your inventory has no indication of a region lock, which is pretty common these days with the retroactive locks added by the publishers. I suggest contacting Steam support - tell them there was absolutely no way for you to know the gift was restricted, since there was no warning in the text description or the regional tags. Be patient and persistent - you'll most likely get a bunch of copy-paste responses first. Take some screenshots of your inventory and the game's description (like this) and attach them to the ticket.

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Nice! I remember my first scam. I had just received some rather bad news about rent. My neighbor presented me with an opportunity to earn some cash, and trusted me with quite a bit of information. Silly old fool, gave me the opportunity to rob them blind and focus on important things like beer and lottery tickets. No, I don't want to talk about what happened under the bridge, or what may or may not have entered my mouth.

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Hello there! Here's some background information:
All Steam games are tagged internally with the Store ID they were bought from. "Internally" means you can't see that in a clear way, but the information is stored in the gift properties. This applies as well to games bought with the well-known browser glitch.

As @KBoomDUMAL said, this game features the AllowCrossRegionTradingAndGifting = No tag / flag.
Unfortunately, this tag / flag does not work as expected so far. You should not be able to trade or gift this game in the first place, with people in a different store / region than this was bought from. But Steam does allow you to do so.
It's only during the time of activation, that Steam detects this game was bought from a store / region different than yours (through the gift properties) and refuses to add it to your account.
This does not apply to EU tiers so far. You can still trade / gift games from one EU-tier to another Eu-tier.

No other trader from the store / region this was bought from, or any other store / region than yours, can buy you a copy of this game so you can add it to your add account. Even if you accept a loss. You cannot have FM 2015 in your account that was bought from another store / region. Not with a legit way.

Allow me to suggest that:

  • you trade this game for another game that has no such restrictions. Be patient and find a trader from that region that is willing to do so. I see no risk in doing this, besides the money loss,
  • you take a closer look at SteamDB before your next trade,
  • you trade with people with REALLY HIGH rep. Most of them know what they're doing and would not risk their rep and accounts over such a trade.

BTW this game is region-free as the territorycode = Territory Not Set (-1) flag suggests.
You just can't activate it, if bought from another store / region different than yours. And this is the case with many new games.

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AllowCrossRegionTradingAndGifting originally worked like it says, preventing trading and gifting between regions. However it was possible to skip it by sending to non-steam email and then it was free to redeem.

"territorycode" has nothing to do with locks

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Indeed, TerritoryCode has nothing to do with traditional locks. But if a game is not intended for a region, it might not have audio and/or text that is usable by all users outside the region.

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Fair trader would warn you about any kind of lock long before you even opened trade window.
This though doesn't mean you shouldn't check steamdb by yourself.

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I'm guessing you don't realize that "MY first SCAM" means that you scammed someone.

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does it!!?? i think it works both ways :D :D

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Nop, I thought you had scammed ssomeone too

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It's not like "my first kiss" to be working both ways, where both party benefit from it.

You should instead write, "I got scammed the first time" or "My first scamafi-kajigger-watchacallit."

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you can post his / her steam profile here, so we can all report him/her account to be banned

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im not sure but i think it's forbidden to do that :)

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i can't see any region lock in your gift, maybe there is something worried in your steam, try to contact steam support, maybe its take 2-3 days to response but its still better than it kept in your BP

or try to sell it for the same price you paid for it

sorry for my bad english

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No nothing is wrong with my steam, and as other guys here explained it turns out to be retrolocked so no one can find out until he tries to activate it.

and I'm trying to trade it again but i think my chances are very low "I'm even accepting big loss"

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I really think you are a noob.Never give first unless is a really high rep guy..If is a gift you are even more stupid because you can see this.

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Read the whole thread before using the word "stupid" on someone ...

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Is a gift so is really noob :) It says clear RU+CIS Locked Can be activated in following countrys....

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Did you actually look at the gift in his inventory?

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it says nothing :) but yes im kinda noob :|

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Sorry, my last post wasnt directed at you. Light1998 seems not to know that the gift in your inventory looks like a regular gift. That could have happened to anybody. And that is no reason to call you a noob or stupid.

Thats what I actually wanted to say.

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yes i understand kind sir, and i was replying to him too, and yes even it says nothing ,, but still I'm not very experienced in the whole trading thing.

i think now I'll have a "trading phobia" :D

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