Sounds logical. Still, what about my other question? If I buy the game from someone else and then gift to someone else, he plays it and gets VAC ban, who will lose the ability to gift that game - me or the original buyer?
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Good question, I think only Valve knows the answer.
Logical part of my brain says: "The guy who gifted, not the buyer".
But then, one guy could just buy gifts, send to another temp bot account, and from that bot account to everyone else, so it again defeats whole purpose of this security.
If you want to be safe, assume original buyer + last person who had gift in the inventory. However, I think that original buyer should NOT be banned in this case, but this is Valve - you can't be sure.
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Hmmm, so they really want to destroy traders. I recently sold 2 DayZ copies. I had bought them BEFORE this new kind of "ban" and I traded these copies normally through the steam trade window. Will it affect me if the buyers get VAC ban? And thanks for all the help.
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TBH if I was really into trading, I'd set up another account not connected in any way with my primary one (especially without 2FA and any connected phone number) and send gifts from there to people that are buying/trading them from me. If you do it properly, Valve can't track you and in worst case they'll ban some dummy account. That however requires some experience and is a technique used mostly by cheaters and other rule breakers (scammers too), so it will be very suspicious.
I'd ask Steam support - I'm sure nobody here knows the answer for sure, you can only guess.
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I know, that's why I avoid getting a second account. :/
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"Trading" is not really the word. People (possibly including you) stock up on games when they're on sale and sell them for a profit. Before, it was this plus exploiting regional price differences (I was a buyer, living in Europe). Valve is not targeting this behaviour, but it's understandable that they don't care if their measures undermine it.
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So, you mean it won't affect me because I only traded them through the steam trade window, right? And also, there's no way to buy them somehow without getting this new kind of ban?
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No. I like your optimism but I was actually criticizing you for calling "trading" what is actually a stock market where you hope to buy low and sell high. Same as the infamous "key sites", but more reliable.
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Oh, I'm really sorry. Next time, I will magically start shitting money and buy games that way. Trading is the only reason I actually have games right now. I have never spent a single cent of my real money on steam because I'm not "wealthy" enough to do that. Trading is an honorable thing to do - nothing like the key sites, you compare me to. There's nothing shady in that and this way, most of the times, the buyer gets a game at a lower price and the trader still gets profit. But if I ever start shitting money, don't worry, I'll stop trading in order not to get poor Gabe broke. :'(
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That's better! :D
I'm not saying you shouldn't do it, I'm not saying it's shady and I don't have much sympathy for Gabe's fat wallet. But I maintain it's not trading and it's not a practice that deserve protection. You're still profiting from gamers and indirectly from developers, not from Gabe.
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'Directly gifted' suggests that you wouldn't suffer if the person you gifted it to passed it on to somebody else. But it would possibly make the whole thing rather exploitable, and on past experience I doubt anyone has even discussed this with Steam support. So who knows?
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Well I'm fairly sure they explained it, they just didn't think to fully cover the more subtle nuances that might turn up in real life (or the things that might immediately occur to scammers to exploit).
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Well, I've been thinking the same thing - they just didn't want to fully explain it.
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volv as usual ... good luck figuring that out - best heard straight from the afflicted horses mouth (an actual case)
my guess
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So, the fact that I traded 2 DayZ copies recently (through the steam trade window), won't affect me at any way, right? Still, I wanted to buy more copies and I'm trying to find a way to do that without a possible ban. :/
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so it should be, else that "direct" is very misleading ... what i'd do if i'd play it carefully > buy with a new account > and send it from it ... (saves the step of buying it with your main account and sending it to another and again from there ... )
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And what if I get a ban quite fast? It will all be for nothing. :/
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You can no longer trade games that use VAC as you can no longer store them as gifts in your inventory. You can either send direct to a friend or to an email address.
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Well, I recently traded 2 DayZ gifts though. Maybe this new kind of "ban" won't affect me because they were old copies?
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ah right ... forgot about that "update" - only old VAC game gifts were still trade-able
what remains: create a new account, gift it to that account and gift it again from there there until it gets banned
... altogether a rather bothersome manual approach
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Why A? If A sells it to B, B to C, C to D, etc. and eventually Z plays it and gets a VAC ban, only A will get affected? Only the original buyer?
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I only have one account and nobody said about alts. What I'm saying is that many people are resellers, so a gift that A bought, may get sold to B, but eventually get played by C. :P
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I had copies in my inventory already and I sold them. This new kind of "ban" won't affect me, right?
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When you decline it goes back to person who gifted it to you. At least on straight gifting. Don't know what happens when you do it via email (or if you can decline at all) . I declined once..
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I don't understand why you're puzzled.. The way you "quoted" it, it's a bit unclear but in the original article it clearly says that if you gift such a game to someone and they get banned, you will lose the ability to re-gift that game again. "Directly" is just mentioned because you cannot keep the game in your inventory since it's vac-enabled and must either use or gift straight away.
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Mostly because there are still people that have it in their inventories. And I don't know if, when I gift it to someone, that someone can gift it to someone else afterwards.
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Indeed that's an odd case which is seemingly not covered by that and perhaps it's better to ask them. (But I doubt they can re-gift them.. it seems like an easy thing for them to force the person on the receiving end to either activate-on-accept or refuse the gift and have a little warning to state what they can do. Or that's what I would do anyway..)
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So, you don't know what happens about the old copies that people can still trade? :/
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Hello. Here says that:
Still, what's exactly this "direct gifting"? Is it only about sending a gift directly to a steam friend? But if I send it to his e-mail, is this also direct gifting? Also, if I buy the game from someone else and then gift to someone else, he plays it and gets VAC ban, who will lose the ability to gift that game - me or the original buyer? Thanks in advance.
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