the key word there is "we decide" so, i don't see much changing in the way of "controversial" games, those will still rally the public and most likely they will still get removed
i can see this only benefiting devs of half-ass games.
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[Steam Blog] We're Never Going To Do Actual Work, Stop Asking
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They talk about freedom, but steam is a drm... right?
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Well GOG galaxy us DRM you point is , FFS do the majority even know what are they talking about, you can run games without steam installed but why would I do that , I droop all .exe to steam so I can have a central system to play all games.
Doing that I can use steam overlay to count fps, screen shot and chat but no steam is bad for some reason :)).
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I really didn't understand all your comment, but I don't think that I can play a game that I bought on steam (or a free to play) without steam running and that's a lack of freedom, I bought it so I should use it whenever I want (with or without internet, with or without steam).
But I'm not saying that I don't like steam, I use and like it, yet freedom is not a friend of them.
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Dude a free to play is an online game so it needs internet so you want steam not to run his servers and no internet how is that even logical at all.
Well here you have an 100 pages list of games that are DRM free on steam : http://steam.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games
As I said the majority doesn't even research what they claim.
For example Kerbal Space Program you can play without steam :))).
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Wait, a free to play is an online game? Since when? Fallout Shelter is free to play, Realm Grinder is free to play, AdVenture Capitalist is free to play and them are singleplayer. You say that I don't search, but you should search too.
As I said, I didn't think that I could play a steam game without steam and you proved me wrong (and that's ok, I'm really glad to learn more), but the majority of games need the DRM to play, so it's still a lack of freedom and I still think that steam and freedom aren't friends.
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Agreed on the first part. but free to play usually refers to MMORPG . I should have specified.
Well you are right there but that is on the publishers side, all those games that aren't DRM free are usually not DRM free anywhere and you will not find them on GOG :(.
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The GOG Galaxy client is completely optional. You don't need to use it to download your game, you don't need to use it to run your game, and you don't need it running in the background. You can download the installers, back them up, and re-install the game at your leisure with no internet access required.
The Steam client is mandatory. You cannot download your games without using the client, and most games won't run without the Steam client running. Some will work without the Steam client, or can be hacked to do so, but that's not needed for GOG.
With GOG, you know the game is DRM-free - you don't have to look it up on a list and hope for the best.
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And your point is, see the game on GOG those are also on Steam DRM free, do you understand now, the games that the publishers deam DRM free will be DRM free, Steam gives two shit about them being DRM free or not, they only sell them :)).
Also steam is a download client foremost, the fact that GOG is a site if irrelevant, it is simpler to use Galaxy for that, if you don't believe that why do you think it was created ?
The majority that talk here about GOG don't even understand much of the basic stuff, first of all GOG was created for good old game aka the revive of old games and such that is why they are DRM free and GOG doesn't have AAA again publisher are afraid of AAA DRM free because well they are stupid, if the game is great it will sell better as DRM free take TW3 as example, piracy was used to promote it :D.
Now I remember the papers that I wrote for my master degree projects one year ago about software management, copy rights, ethics etc.
Steam client is mandatory because that was the logic from 2003, GOG was a site first of all, two different approaches :D.
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OK, thinking about it.
I really support the fact that they take a totally hands-off approach, after seeing the mess when they tried to censor visual novels. Sure, there is going to be a lot of trash coming to steam, but I just hope the users will review accordingly, and the trash developers won't even get their 100$ back
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If a developer put his game out of steam, he gets the 100 USD back.
He doesn't get it only if it was removed by steam.
This means developers have nothing to lose at all.
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I've never, once, bought a game in Steam that I didn't want to play.
I don't know why it's so difficult for other people to do the same. I don't need Valve holding my hand, guiding me towards what's worth buying and what's not.
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By the consistency off this kind of messages that I see for years on all games forums and such I can agree that the majority just likes to say what they don't like and that is all.
GOG there and gog here by the way I have 200 games on gog and I still use the steam overlay on top of them.
Tanks to connect I buy on steam and have some on GOG.
Steam has keys you know HB then you have connect and so one.
I would like that all old games on steam should be GOG versions they should do a collaboration on that.
They say if Steam goes down, well if GOG goes down will for example if someone has 1k titles there will he save them all on HDD how many TB would you need for that.
If Steam goes down as a service, do you thinks we will not make a contribution for the download servers to be up even if it is monthly like 5$ FFS I would rather prepare to have that then the buy online for console systems for example.
And the service is for like 15 years already do you think some one would do suck a M$ moveto destroy the service even so see windows is still on, and many crap services from that company are still one and they are the source of 90% crap related to games and still get a pass every year for some king of retarded reason.
EA made Andromeda and SW fiasco, they will still buy Battlefield !n , Ubisoft still makes only AC this is their 15 title FFS from 07, kids still buy it and so one.
BugTesta re released TES V for the 7th time like smarthphones, well it is on switch let's preoreder and so one . it's VR let's preorder it, it's on PS4 now let's preorder it and so one.
First gents, see how your specific consumer mentality works for you and then say that the system is broken :)).
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yeah yeah, constant 'but freedom of speech!!!111oneoneleven' argument - freedom of speech ends the moment when your freedom of speech equals affecting freedoms of another being, and I don't mean simple 'ohhhh! but it offends me!' - if something offends you because it presents something you dislike or because it criticizes something important for you - noone is forcing you to buy/play this (casus of adult games, noone is forcing you to play a game with sexual content), but we had more than enough stuff on steam that goes way beyond critique or simply controversial topics. Stuff that promoted hate or even encouraged to violence. We've had a game to reenact school shootings, we've had games which only principle was to kill homosexuals, people of other relligion, different skin color etc. We've had games promoting totalitarian facist regimes, including massive homicides, promoting holocaust, ethnic cleansings etc. And always 'hey, but freedom of speech' used as excuse, because your freedom of speech is more important than freedom of another person you dislike...
If someone does not see the difference between 'criticizing someone else ideology' or just presenting something in neutral manner and 'promoting actual hate, mass murders, facism, killing all who don't fit your worldview criteria', and treats them as equal, well this someone is a moron.
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To put it into perspective - I am an atheist. But I would have nothing against christian games coming to Steam, or any religion-promoting games coming to Steam. I could mock them, sure, but hey, I simply will not play them and if there are people who find them intresting, useful, fun - good for them. On the other hand if there was a game about holy war promoting violence, where you would be tasked with killing all non-believers, cleansing earth of them, then yes, I would have problem with such game and would not like it on Steam. Because in the name of their 'freedom of speech' it promotes attacking other's freedom to even exist.
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you mean like this per say :
Welcome to Africa, you've got HIV! Now you're mad and want to kill all Africans that gave you aids to get revenge. AIDS Simulator is a very short first-person shooter with boring gameplay, bad graphics and generic assets.
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Features:
- Asset Flip
- Very short
- NO NUDITY
- Poor performance
- First-person shooter
- Zero effort cash grab
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I have played a game where I waged a holy war, killing multiple infidels, I enacted strategies to kill even more people. In battle, after I defeated their armies, I used my calvary to chase them down and killing them from the back. After I conquered the territory, I eventually eliminated the religion I didn't like and made mine prominant. Eventually I basically eliminated all the other countries and religions and the game ended with me conquering the whole world..
The game was Medieval: Total War, from Creative Assembly's Total war Saga. I don't even want to talk about Civilization.
Would you ban the game? Well, even if you didn't, I bet there is somebody, somewhere, that would like to ban it.
That's why I like the steam blog. If you don't like it, don't buy it. The same way I don't go out of my way to burn books I don't like.
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Way to twist argument - just to fit your personal agenda. First of all - does Medieval: Total War offer you just one perspective? No. Does it force such narration as you describe upon you? No. Does any of outrageous stuff actually is presented in an ideological way in the game? No, game cannot be judged by someone's own twisted interpretation. Does Medieval: Total War denounces your opponents, presents them as inferior human beings, vulgarizes them? No. Does it promotes hate towards specific group backing it up by hateful narration? No. I could go on and on.
If someone does not see the difference between 'criticizing someone else ideology' or just presenting something in neutral manner and 'promoting actual hate, mass murders, facism, killing all who don't fit your worldview criteria', and treats them as equal, well this someone is a moron. Comment has been collapsed.
I think he trolled this one.
It is not that simple to classify this but I do agree with you :D.
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offense =/= hate speech, yeah, yeah, I know, hard concept to get into your head, but me, and not only me, explained the difference already several times in this topic, not my fault you refuse to read or understand it.
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It wasn't really an attemp at trolling, but a way to show you that the best game could be interpreted in many ways.
One simple question, if today 2018, Creative Assembly released Medieval Total War 3, and some streamers, in the middle of a normal game declared a Crusade to Jerusalem (using crusades when playing as a christian and fighting muslim countries is pretty much needed), wiped the muslim armies (chasing them retreating soldiers killing them from the back is a necessity in real life and the same in the game) and conquered and then converted the people to their faith (another mechanic from Medieval Total War 1 and 2. A necessity to ensure loyalty), are you telling me there would be no outcry? Are you seriously telling me that nobody in the World Wide Web, would ask the game to be banned? The mass effect saga was called a "porn game". The Witcher 2 was banned for showing consensual sex. Reservoir Dogs was banned because you could kill police officers. Marc Eckō's Getting Up banned for showing kids how to make graffiti. GTA V people tried to get it banned because you could kill women.
About your other point .I played a game recently Wolfenstein. It "offered only one perspective". The good nazi-killers guys.. "Forced the narration", since it was a FPS on rails. The "outrageous stuff was presented in an ideological way": It was good killing nazis. It actually elevated it to a high art. "It denounced your opponents, presenting them as inferior human beings, vulgarizing them". I am not sure nazis can actually be counted as human. It "promotes hate towards specific group backing it up by hateful narration". It doesn't convince you to kill nazis, because they are, well, nazis. The developers actually took a long time to show how much of bastards the nazis are, and it really felt good killing them. Myself, I preferred the knife. So, I guess it was "promoting actual hate, mass murders, facism, killing all who don't fit your worldview criteria" Obviously I am taking your point to the absurd. But remember that banning games is a dangerous slope.
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- How is someone promoting hate or even violence against someone else not affecting this someone else's freedom? It affects their very freedom to exist not to mention other freedoms. The core rule of any 'freedom' is that 'your freedom ends when it requires neglect of freedom of another human being'. By your standards ending of slavery was bad, after all it affected freedom of slave owners to have slaves! Doesn't matter that it meant, that slaves had no freedom, what matters is that you cannot take their freedom of slave ownership!
- Already explained it to you. Offense/controversy =/= hate speech.
- Don't understand what you mean, like I mentioned in example of Christian Games, I don't mind radical christians to post christian games on Steam if they want to promote their ideology, I would simply not play them, there's place for them on Steam as well as long as they would not promote actual hate speech, encourage to violence etc towards groups radical christians don't like.
- Opinions, same as freedoms, are fine, with same limitations, being until they start neglecting freedoms of others. It's ok if you have an opinion that lgbt are bad, I may disagree, may think it's moronic, may argue with you, but it's your opinion, but if your opinion is that all lgbt should be killed in order to preserve human race, or that they should be stripped of their rights, or that they should be put in prisons, concentration camps etc, then no, your 'opinion' is no longer ok. I have an opinion that Willpower8254 should fall from the bridge - does it give me a right to push you from said bridge and you will be ok with it? After all it's my opinion, you should comply with it based on what you're saying.
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1, You say I failed, don't give explanation how I failed, don't adress what I am saying ^^ I could ask again - how is someone promoting hate speech against another person is not neglecting freedoms of this another person, but hey, you will ignore the question for the third time probably, and as third thime's the charm, let's end it here ;) I already know you are not capable of reading and will read just parts that you like ignoring others, so what's the point? ^^
- Yes you did, as explained above.
- So no I am not, because these games did not promote hate speech. If they did, even against christians, then yes, I would try top get them banned, because of promotion of hate, not because they include elements I don't personally want in my video game. I dislike many things in video games, for example I don't like sports video games, yet I do not call out to ban FIFA ;p
- Again, you say about logical sentence structure, yet fail top adress where there is logical flaw. You say there is flaw in your aregument, yet do not direectly show where the flaw lies. Beside hate speech =/= offense statement, which you do not explain why would be flawed except that it is. Thus whole 2nd part of your paragraph is based on starting point not rooted in argument, thus pointless.
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If it's against the law (and various kinds of hate speech are illegal in various places), Valve says it won't allow it. Otherwise, I don't see why Valve should act as censor for things which are legal. If people think a game has crossed a line, they can sue the devs.
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guess we'll have to wait and see the actual implementation, so far Valve did not have a lot of problem, with hate-speech (as exampled by games I mentioned in first comment), I personally don't have high hopes that now when they themselves say they want to curate what get's on even less suddenly would have higher standards for not allowing hate-speech material upon the store.
and no, unless you happen to a) live in the same country as a dev, and b) said country where dev made a game actually having plus enforcing anti-hate-speech laws (a lot of countries have them in theory but not really enforce them) you cannot sue devs. And even if you could a multi-million company pushing down pursuing of legal standards on private consumers is a good thing in your eyes? You say that even if something is breaking the law it is ok to push costly legal battle on a end consumer? Then you are a sad sad person.
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It's not a 'costly legal battle on an end consumer'. If you're the only one who is offended by something, then yes, it's up to you and good luck. If you're not, then I'm sure there are a lot of organisations happy to do your bidding if you just let them know about the problem.
There are legal ways to block games, and you often read on the news how some game can't be published in Germany or Australia. As an end user it's your job to let others know where you see a problem. Just like you'd contact the press or your congressman or whoever you see fit when you see a problem outside of gaming.
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please again explain me how it is so easy and cost-free for me to sue tet's say russian developer? especially as russia for example has no hate-speech laws in the first place. Like I said bullshit argument, we have multimilliondollar company but you argue that it's totally fine for them to push what they should be doing on single end-consumers.
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I didn't say it was easy and cost free. If your gist is 'I want things to be easy and cost free, because all I really care is not seeing some game, and I'm perfectly willing to give a multi-million-dollar company the full discretion of what to block and what not, in the hope that it fits my own ideas', then fine. And if that's your attitude, you can't really complain about that company making the decision it did just because it doesn't fit your own ideas of what should be blocked and what shouldn't, can you?
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I really don't know how you guys finds this crap I usually know already from the name the game that I enter and hit the page if I see a low quality game I just get out of the page simple as that :)).
Also I have a wish list for a reason and it 650+ long for that reason alone :)).
And you can see similar titles to those that you have wish listed so you get 2-3k only with that :)).
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I really don't know how you guys finds this crap
Mostly because of the giveaways here.
The featured 50+ copies giveaways have a lot of them.
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So... Steam... are you going to put deed to word and allow Hentai in now?
Or is "everything" still subject to the Valve-bullshit meter?
While at it, allow uncensored VN's. Apparently that's greenlight now, right? Or are you blowing smoke again?
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Hentai is porn manga and not porn anime games :))).
Also this care for echi VN or even hentai one is beyond me :))).
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I like it.
Steam hates it, it's forced to be censored or needs to fuck off since they can't do 18+ games.
Well, they just said they should be welcome. So Steam better suck up their words and undo all the censorship they do on VN's then.
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They cannot allow that, since they are a Murican company, and in Murica, showing someone fucking will eternally corrupt the youth.
Blowing someone's face up in a close-up shot with a shotgun is naturally okay, since the NRA approves it, but fucking is for those non-believing improper heathens.
(Funny how German censorship is almost the exact opposite though. Sex jokes are pretty much all-age and women running around in a nudist camp can be a scene in a family comedy, but stab your toe and it is 18+ immediately.)
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Titties didnt'create nazi's I suppose.
It's still hypocritical of Valve then to claim they accept everything but still dissalow an adult section or unmutilated games.
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You can't please everyone, cuz haters gonna be haters. Yeah, I agree Valve should be doing more with steam, but how much more is enough?
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I just don't get why people care about all the bad games [the ones they call "trash"] on Steam. They don't have to buy them. All they have to do is ignore those games. Simple as that.
Glad Valve is taking this approach. It is about time. I can choose what to play on my own.
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I think the reason most people are upset is cause the developers of trash games make free money by making mass giveaways and getting their cut from the cards sales.
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Well who's fault is that they are making money, hmmm valve doesn't buy copies from them.
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that hasn't been true for the longest time, after steam implemented the policy of needing to have 2 hours of playtime before cards start to drop, and making sure that X amount of gamers meet the 2 hour playtime limit, most cheapo card flip games haven't been able to get cards added at all..
You're thinking about prior to the playtime changes, when cards could get added to any game no matter what.. Valve cut that out a while ago..
Also yes, the gamers are at fault because somebody is buying those cheapo asset flip achievement spammer games.. If they didn't sell, steam would have gotten rid of them or the developer would have stopped making them..
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I completely forgot about that. So wouldn't that mean that the really crappy stuff is already taken care of as people wouldn't play it in the first place (other than the achievement games)?
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most of the crappy games people are talking about are the achievement variety ones.. Ones that have 1 - 5 k achievements and exist only for people to farm acheivements.. Ultimately people need to realize some people have different taste then them.. So while they may look at a game and say that sucks, another person may say,, this game isn't half bad..
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It so stupid to worry about that. Just ignore those developers. They make money because people buy their games.
I don't even think twice about any of that. Doesn't bother me if steam has some bad games [in my opinion]. I just don't buy them.
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It's because the more bad games on steam, the less likely people are going to be willing to look through them to find the hidden gems / games where the developers actually put effort in.
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Pretty much this.
Half a decade ago, I could dive into the New Releases or On Sale lists and go "no, no ,maybe, no, yes- Impulse Buy!".
Try that now and it's "no, no, asset trash, asset trash,asset trash,asset trash,WTF is this - no, asset trash, asset trash,asset trash, no, maybe, asset trash,asset trash, asset trash, fuck this store I'm out."
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WOW so the people that buy stuff need to research first like I always do with my hardware hmm it seams logical to me.
I didn't refund anything, why is that because I don't buy first day, preorder and don't pay full price for crap AAA.
Indies can wait the test of time and interest, if it is a great game someone will find it and I will hear about it.
This is the principle of E commerce that I studied for 2 years, as a consumer is your duty to research as much as possible because as my Marketing teacher said, marketing is in reality lying to the people for the people :V :(.
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So those games are bad because only a fraction of people are interested in them?
I have a right to choose and so does you. I happen to like games most people don't play. And because of that you think they shouldn't be sold on Steam. We live in a democracy [for the most part], you know.
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They might be bad games for you but not for other people. I don't like the games you are referring to either, but who are you or any of us to decide if they are bad or shouldn't be on steam?
Your statement is selfish. You are ignoring those people that buy and may like those games. I'm sure they don't want them to be removed for whatever reason. And it's only fair.
My main problem was Valve's anime prejudice and imposing censorship on games. But that begun because a poor soul decided to report those games. Why? Certainly because they felt for some misguided reason that they shouldn't be on steam either. So if we start saying achievement spam games can't be on Steam, where does it end? Surely not with them. Soon enough anime games became the new problem. After that it's FPS or Horror games.
That fraction shouldn't dictate how the majority is forced to interact with Steam store
That is exactly what you want to do!
You want to limit people's choice by denying them the possibility of playing [or not] the games you consider bad.
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How can we ignore them. Steam doesn't even allow me to filter out my owned games if looking through weekly sales. There is no way to turn off all VR-games showing.
Their store-functionality is massively outdated to do any sort of ignoring properly.
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All the asset flips, asset thefts, and literal flash games though...
I never asked for this.
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they aren't talking about quality control, just game content.. IE adult games, nudity, etc etc etc.. If you dislike certain games and feel they shouldn't be on steam, report them for what they are,, but if the games are selling I wouldn't expect steam to do anything, and most of those .49 cent cheapo achievement spammer games are selling like hotcakes.
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If a restaurant served literal feces, as well as steaks.
Sure, you could just not buy the feces, and instead get the steak.
But do you really think such a restaurant should even be serving feces to begin with?
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I've always said it should be up to the gamers themselves to determine which games are on or off the store page.. Sure asset flips suck but they also sell like pancakes, especially when they have 5000 achievements attached to them.. It's a no Brainer that steam wouldn't be against these games, I suspect those low priced .49 cent games which have 5k achievements are selling 10 - 15 k copies easily, if not more.. nice little 30% off the top for steam..
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Yeah, and the market would take care of them after the supply is so numerous.
How? After someone buys 10000 achievement spam games he we be like: "I have enough achievements now. I am done."?
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Those "games" are half a dollar. There would need to be a lot of that garbage on Steam before it reaches saturation. This doesn't solve the problem.
The achievements already lost some of their value with those achievement spam games. They buy them to increase the achievement count (or to decorate the Steam profile with the achievement showcase) and don't care about their value as an achievement.
Valve needs to lock the achievements for new games, like they did with trading cards.
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Well welcome to reality we are hypocrites most of the time, me included :P.
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I agree. I don't even understand why they care so much. I'm against censorship and don't care at all about those "bad" games people keep pointing out. I believe all games should be available [as intended contentwise] so that we can choose for ourselves. If I see a game I don't want, I just press the Not Interested button and don't ever think about it again.
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Steam allows both good and bad games. Pirates upload both good and bad games. You're claiming you'll move from Steam to piracy due to Steam allowing for both. It seems to me that you're just making excuses to feel better about pirating and not supporting hard working developers of games you enjoy.
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Illogical at best I pirate also and you have full control on both situations :)).
Having 1300+ on Steam 200+ in GOG and some on uplay and origin.
Who say that piracy is a sin when we see what EA does need to check their reality I mean they can fuck the consumers like in every game they make but we can't because we are the moral one :))).
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I think you don't know the definition of "control".
Anyway as soon as you get on steam store page there's a search bar you can use to search for whatever you want. Whether you want to look at game banners, recommendations, new releases and what not below the search bar is completely up to you, they're not forcing you to pay attention to them in any way.
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Meh you don't even understand what you are saying, Steam is a software store that offers management of that software, that is diffent then other store. the M from DRM means exactly that.
So again what you are saying is false, Steam doesn't impose DRM but the publishers, the games that can have no DRM are DRM free the other are not on GOG so to say that GOG is better implies that they are in the same segment wich is false :)).
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Hmmm it is a store but a digital one, can you compare it with Amazon for example, no you can't because this one only sells software.
DRM, the M part means management for the software on both sides for the client and the seller; for the client gives servers filters, forums, etc and for the sellers it gives copy right infringement tools etc.
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So why are you not in full control of what you see on Steam by searching for what you want? Do you go to Amazon and go through a million useless doohickeys instead of getting what you want? Why is this so hard for some people on Steam but totally np on every other site? :)
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When people use amazon, they have an idea of what they're getting. I'm looking for books to read, for a specific tool, or for a toothbrush. And they try for the best one.
On steam I don't really know what I'm looking for. I am trying to find a good fun game to entertain me. It's all I know. I'm looking for something new or different. I take a different approach to both plataforms.
At least that's how I feel towards this.
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But on Amazon do you look for the stuff you want on the front page waiting for it to appear there? Or do you perhaps use search, categories etc to limit down what you see? I've never found it hard to do that on Steam so can't really understand why it is for some people. What's hard on Steam (without external sites) is to search through what you already own for something specific.
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Just a generic example before they open soon in Sweden. You can replace it with any and all online stores you use. Also you can order from other Amazons just as fine as I can here in Finland.
You're so cute. So in your piratebay you only have the search bar and are happily using it. Why can't you just use the search bar in Steam then? "But but there are games on the front page and I might not like them!!" Yeah that sounds like totally horrible, how can you visit supermarkets when you might have to walk near shelves that contain products you don't want? Or do you just order food home so you don't have to suffer that horror?
Edit: here you go: https://store.steampowered.com/search/?term=ADDSEARCHTERMHERE
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LOL, I laugh my ass off when I see the logic behind the arguments one has a search bar and the other has search bar and some google recommendation algorithms that all use for example to google it :))).
Also the pirate bay argument is cute because it is not a curated private torrent site so you can get a lot of nasty things from there :)).
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LOL less trashy then M$ EA crap , Bugtesda, UbiCrap really now ... also 60% of AAA are crap games so what you said is per say false :(.
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Sorry but you are kind of wrong,I would prefer 100 5$ crap games that I would't even bother to see then games like Andromeda, BattleCrap II, Far Cr 3 reskin aka 4, Far Cry 3 reskin of reskin aka Primal. AC 1 to 1000 ak all yearly reskins .
Bugtesta software gave us from 2011 F4 and 7 versions of TES V, one is garbage as a Fallout and the others versions are re releases that can be ~ to asset flips.
So ironic some dislike the assets flips but love when Ubisoft and Bugtesda do it because those are AAA :))).
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Hmmm yes calling Battlefront II a crap game makes me a child, tell me more also re releasing TES V on switch with the same bugs from 11.11.11 also make me a child ... the logic that some use :(.
Hmmm such innovation between Far Cr 3 and 4 ; Far Cry 4 and Primal, similar mechanics, they used a lot of the same assets.
Many of the AC are made early, how can you make a new engine and new software tools and make it in a year do tell me. it seams my 7 years of CS is not enough for me.
For a game to use a new engine and new tehnics a period of 4 years or more is needed, you can see The Withcer 2 and 3 as compassion and you will see that also between The Withcer 3 and Cyberpunk 2077.
But you know who used a old ass engine, well BugTesda from 02 until now the enchant a little their old ass engine.
As I said I like kiddos like you that try to defend the AAA titles that are literately crap or mediocre at best but scream at title that no one cares of :)).
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This is a good change of things, except for asset flips, they probably need to tighten their control on that
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It's just that there is no way to filter out stuff like asset flips and non-games and that is a problem. They should just force "devs" to add an "asset flip" tag to their game and if it later turns out they're asset flips and the tag was not added, terminate relationship with those devs.
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Thanks Valve. We do not need censorship on Steam. Games shouldn't be censored by their content or political ideas.
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Contrary to many assumptions, this isn't a space we've automated - humans at Valve are very involved
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You know what? I couldnt care less. Thats right.
I buy the games I like, buy shit bundles and cardfarm garbage because I can. In the end gaming is just a hobby. I really dont care as long as I can play my little games in the evening.
Too much boohoo in this thread imho. Go worry about stuff worth worrying about.
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Glad the store is safe from the time being. An adult only section with age verification (not the crap verification we have now) would do much good and avoid lots of complaints.
I can't believe some people are happy to see big publishers leaving steam to create yet another freaking platform, that's astounding...
Asset flip garbage is really not a problem in my eyes:
- Nobody force you to buy them
- They exist because there is a public for them (the notorious +1 team)
- How the hell do you find the worse of the worse ?!! You are probably looking for them to bash steam
I admit the filter tool is extremely limited and need a good rework (hopefully the new tools will solve that) but other than that steam is wonderful.
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The logical thinking of them saying that Origin and uplay are great, really now are we ignoring who Ea and Ubisoft are , they sell now games for 110EUR + forced microtransactions for forced games like Andromeda and battlecrap II, they make annual asset flips called AC but people buy them for 100$ and call bullshit on 5$ ones on steam, really now, do we just want to ignore reality.
Asset flips are bad when crap devs do them for a couple of $ but when ubisoft does it each year is ok : Far Cry 3 , then reskin 4 then reskin Primal let's buy those great games for 60$ + season pas and also preorder them ....5$ ones are bad, 100$ ones are great mkay.
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Thanks Steam!
Now please bring back:
Epica
Valortha
The Suffering of Larina
I want to buy them ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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These days, I barely look at what the store has to offer. I'm pretty damn content with my library and don't need/want much else. And even when I want to buy new games, I go to the HB store or Fanatical instead of the Steam store.
Saying they don't want to curate their own store because they feel it's not right to do so is a lot of crap. They just mean "In the future, we'll make money out of anything!" and/or "We don't want to spend money on a curating staff."
The day I'll be able to browse a store properly tailored to my gamer profile, I might do so again.
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So... Will they allow more straight-up porn, including being uncensored without a patch?
"Everything"
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So they say.
But will their actions match their mouth.
I assume no, and we still need patches for literally zero reason at all.
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Why not?
But I mostly just want them to abolish their silly censor practices and not have me hunt 18+ patches all the while, while devs aren't allowed to link them on the forums cause reasons...
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Why yes? I don't see porn videos on Steam, why would games be?
The patches are easily available in all cases that I've seen, nothing to hunt for.
I do agree though - either those games should be completely removed or they should be present uncensored. As it is currently it's just a lame neither here nor there.
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With that argument, before they had videos (recent addition) there shouldn't have been games at all? At a games-store?
No they're not since Steam bans devs who link to them themselves. Another good example of double-standard if they STILL keep up that rule.
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With that argument, before they had videos (recent addition) there shouldn't have been games at all? At a games-store?
That is no longer relevant and is a weird hypothetical... The videos (mainstream and indie movies) have been there for at least a year, maybe two - I am sure of it. Further, it's not just movies: actual anime series are available too.
Thus, I think it is a fair argument: If Steam won't put Brazzers videos or, more appropriately, the Bible Black hentai anime, why would they put the Bible Black hentai game/VN?
I will repeat myself: I dislike the current "it is allowed but only if censored" approach as it is a half-assed way to do it that is neither here nor there. It would be better to simply completely allow them OR to completely ban them.
Personally, I am leaning more towards "completely ban them" because having porn on Steam feels somehow weird and wrong - and, yes, I think the line between what is and isn't porn is clear.
With that said, again, I'd prefer that they completely allowed it versus the current "status quo" arrangement.
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What about Tsukihime or Fate Stay Night. They are visual novels 50 or 60 hours in lenght, which have totally optional adult parts, less than 30 minutes long. Is that porn or isn't? And yes, it's totally optional. Before you start the game you can actually choose to see it or not.
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Well, it becomes a two-part question:
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Are those adult scenes a) actually just adult scenes, designed to serve artistic purpose and intended to add to the overall story experience or are they b) pornographic scenes designed only to titillate, sexually arouse and stimulate as well as be shallow waifu wish fulfillment ("dating sim")?
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If the answer to the previous question is a), then it is not porn. If the answer is b), then it might be porn depending on whether those 50-60 hours have any actual quality and merit to them as serious storytelling experiences; however, even if there is quality and merit to them as serious storytelling experiences but the adult scenes are actually porn scenes, then said quality and merit is lowered merely by the inclusion of the porn scenes - even if they are optional...
Simple, really.
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Answering b, there is a LOT of quality and serious storytelling experiences in those gamesI told you.
Answering a, can you tell me exactly what "artistic purpose" or "story experience" add, say, the sex scenes with Morrigan/Leliana/Zevran/Alistair/Cassandra/Dorian/Sera/Cullen/Miranda/Jack/Shani/Keira/Triss/Yennefer/Cora Harper/Jaal, etc, etc.
I agree with you. We should ban Mass effect series, witcher series, dragon age series, etc, since they have porn. Let's star burning them.
I have actually seen more character development during the sex scenes in Fate Stay Night than in all those games. Actually, missing the sex scenes in some VN you miss out a lof of the story.
No offense, but if you don't play VN's, you are missing truly great games.
I love time travel stories. They are my favorite type of science fiction. But even in a world with Back to the Future and Star Trek IV, I'd still say the most interesting, complex, and utterly captivating time travel narrative I have ever encountered is the visual novel Steins;Gate. https://kotaku.com/steins-gate-the-kotaku-review-1559811854
If you love strong storytelling, solid and realistic sci-fi, diverse and engaging characters, quite a bit of charming fanservice, and to be deeply engaged on the emotional level, you owe it to yourself to try the Muv-Luv trilogy out https://www.dualshockers.com/muv-luvv-alternative-review/
.When you think of doujin writing, you do not usually equate it with amazing... yet on his first try, Nasu wrote a story that some may consider to be the best story he’s written, and in my eyes, it’s one of the better ones out there. https://rockmandash12.kinja.com/rockmandash-reviews-tsukihime-visual-novel-1614282097
To be honest, I thought it would take a while longer for this day to come. An Excellent score is not one that I give out lightly – in fact, I try not to give them out at all. Despite my attempts to find something wrong with Fate/Stay Night the only negative things I can say about it are incredibly minor when compared to all the things it does right – and it does a whole lot of things right. The degree to which each of its components complement each other is unmatched in my experience, and anyone referring to Fate/Stay Night as anything less than a classic is doing it an extreme disservice. For all that is good in the world, you must play this game.
https://thegeekclinic.wordpress.com/2013/09/01/visual-novel-review-fatestay-night/
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told you so, if you thought of valve as your edgy friend, think again : https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2018-06-08-valve-removes-aids-simulator-other-controversial-games-from-steam-store
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https://steamcommunity.com/games/593110/announcements/detail/1666776116200553082
So all the trash will be on Steam! Good days right?
I agree on principle with this. I just hope they will get around to fully allow adult titles also.
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