So I'm getting very tired of getting new or even newish games and having my dinosaur laugh in my face when I try to play them (just checked and it's 5+ years old yikes). And to make it even worse, I've discovered how fun some of the mods for Skyrim are. My dinosaur just laughs at some of them and I end up with 10 minute loading screens. I've lived through the '90s once, I'd rather not do it again.

Not asking anyone to do all the work, just need suggestions on certain parts. Unfortunately, technology left me behind 10 years or so ago and some of the terms being thrown around might as well be in a different language. I'd prefer it to not be obsolete by the time I've had it put together. Preferably something that I can upgrade as needed in the future and not have to go through this again.

So now to the questions:
1) Hard Drive(s) - Should I go SSD? Capacity?
2) Amount and type of memory?
3) I'm sure this one will cause a little debate, but Graphics Card?
4) Guess I should throw in Motherboard and Power supply? yes/no?

I know I had other questions, but my old brain isn't working today at all. Memory is the second thing to go. Any help would be greatly appreciated, even it's just a link to a site that would help me out.

Lastly, I'd prefer something in the middle of the road as far as price. Which I just realized I have no idea what is middle of the road anymore lol.

Thank you very much in advance and thank you for your time. - Lon

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Added you on steam to speed up the whole process, because I need some quick feedback from your side.

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Heading to your questions right after I finish here :-)

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SSD -> Expensive but quite fast
HDD -> Cheap but relatively slower

For this I'd recommend getting an SSD with enough storage for programs, etc. and get an external HDD with 3.0 USB (if your Motherboard allows this) and it'll be quite fast and it's way cheaper to get storage.

For RAM I'd say go for 8-16 GB, no less. Grab something in the middle price range, I hear it got expensive as hell since 2016.

As for graphics cards, at the moment, I'd recommend getting Nvidia, they didn't get that much pricier (contrary to AMD). An Nvidia GTX 1050 goes for around $150 USD, and it's enough to play any game, most of them at least on high depending on the resolution. If you have the money go for a 1080, but that'll be quite the expensive treat. So I'd recommend again, going for something on the middle range, as low budget will only get you to upgrading again in 2-3 years max.

You should upgrade your Motherboard and PSU as well. Motherboard will let you have USB 3.0 ports and many other things, depending on which one you buy, although I'm no expert in the department. You'll need to upgrade your PSU as well if you upgrade everything else, power requirement will go up. Probably, something around the 600 Watts mark should be enough if you go for a middle range upgrade in general. (There's a calculator at outervision.com, although you need to know the components first).

As a side note, from what I've seen and comparing prices from 2-3 years ago to now, AMD Graphics Cards got expensive, but the processors didn't. Intel processors got really expensive as well. Nvidia Graphics Cards didn't get that much of a price hike. Just some info you should take into account when buying right now.

Happy upgrading! :)

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I'm going to apologize upfront. I've heard some of these terms but that's about how far my knowledge goes on some of them lol. Also forgot to mention that this isn't happening for a bit. I'm currently at home on disability due to back issues but hopefully be back in the first quarter or so this year. So understandably money is a little tight right now. Thought I'd start asking around now because I am a terrible impulse shopper. Hell, I had a Nintendo Power Glove,

Follow up question: SSD for OS and Games? and the HDD for just the misc. crap that always ends up on your computer? I checked and I think the main bottleneck is my RAM, for some reason I'm running with just 4 GB.

From system information tab: (Processor AMD A8-5500 APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics, 3200 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s))
Installed Physical Memory (RAM) 4.00 GB

Thank you for the info and taking the time!

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SSD should be for OS and just some games, probably multiplayer games or games that take too long to load (like GTA V). And the HDD should be for well, downloads, music and most of your games. At least, that's what my logic tells me to do lol.

And yes, 4 GB of RAM nowadays is barely scratching the mark, you can play games on 4 GB sure, but most games ask for 8 GB to have a good gameplay experience (ultra or very high settings on new games ask for 16 GB mostly).

If you have any questions I'll be happy to answer them.

Cheers!

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I can attest to the 4GB comment. I swear I hear my computer chuckle at me when I arrow over a new game I feel like playing.

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"SSD for OS and Games? and the HDD for just the misc. crap that always ends up on your computer"

That's how I do it. :)

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Outstanding, thank you!

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500GB SSD for OS and program files, 2TB SSHD (Seagate FireCuda) for placing the "library" folders for the Steam/GoG/Origin/Uplay games an a 1TB SSHD (also a Seagate FireCuda) for placing the "my documents","pictures","music" and "video" folders
(SSHD is not SSD and not HDD, it is a combination)

That is how I recently (last week) changed my storage setup: http://www.sysprofile.de/id188497
(Now I really need a new GPU urgently :D )

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Very nice, thanks for the suggestions.

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So just an APU and 4GB of RAM? Not even a discrete GPU? No wonder it can hardly run a thing.

Given this and your current lack of funds, I'd recommend the following upgrade:

  • GeForce GT 1030
  • Extra 4GB of RAM

That should cost you about $100. It won't turn your PC into a gaming beast, but it will be a huge step up. Seriously, everything will work like 10 times better. You might not be able to play the latest games, certainly not at the highest quality, but you'll be able to run many many games that you haven't been able to run until now, and those ultra long loading times should be a thing of the past.

Really, if you made do with that low end PC until now, forget the SSD and high end (or mid range) graphics cards or a new PC. Get this upgrade, learn what you can do with it, and if you feel you want still more, buy something better later (probably starting with an SSD; it's a nice quality of life item).

About the RAM upgrade:

I don't know how many RAM slots your motherboard has and how many sticks of RAM you have.

If you have two slots and 2x2GB sticks, you'll have to buy 2x4GB to get 8GB (and sell your 2x2GB if you can).

If you have two or four slots and one 4GB stick, the best thing is to get a matching one. That would likely be hard, so the second best thing is to buy whatever 4GB stick you can get from a place that you can return it to if things don't work. Often RAM will work even if the sticks don't match, but that's not always the case.

If you have four slots and 2x2GB sticks, you can buy another 2x2GB kit or buy a 2x4GB kit (if you can spare the cash) and have 12GB in all.

Edit: If you want to spend as little as possible, just buy the RAM. That by itself should solve the 10 minute loading time problem. It might also provide faster frame rates, especially if you currently have only one RAM stick (could double it in that case).

Can you tell me the RAM configuration and speed? You can use [CPU-Z]() to find out. The Memory tab will tell you if it's single channel or dual channel ('Channel #' at the top right). The SPD tab will tell you the speed under 'Max Bandwidth'.

One last thing: If you have a USB flash drive, you can put it in, right click on the drive, choose ReadyBoost and enable that. That could also potentially solve the 10 minute load time to an extent. Not as good as a RAM upgrade, but a quick fix if you have a USB drive to spare.

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hey Lon

1) You should definitely get an SSD on your machine. I have a 256 GB SSD and it starts up really quickly. But if you want to game a lot I think that might not be enough space (I have to every so often delete some games I no longer play). One popular solution to this problem that many computers have now is half SSD and half hard drive. That is, they have a small SSD that just makes the computer boot up really quickly (like 128 or 256 GB) and they store all hard documents, downloads, pictures, etc. on a hard drive that's usually 1000 GB big.
2) I use 8 gigabytes of ram and am sufficient. Really don't see a need to go over this
3) If you want to play games you should get a graphics card. im running intel graphics so i cant help with you.
4) dont know

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the sshds dont work well and tend to break easily not to mention the ssds are pretty slow and only like 8 gigs not to mention you can usually get a real ssd for the price and with a couple more dollars a real hard drive

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You can add an optane cache to an Hdd to help the speed a lot and have a halfway solution. like a 3TB drive+cache for 200$ which is at best a 1TB SSD.
Ideally you'd have an SSD and an HDD, or 2 SSDs if you had a lot of $

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Octane Intel Optane is a waste of money.
Edit: Linus Tech talk did a vid on it a while ago.

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It's a waste of money on an SSD which is not where you use them.
That's the video they made.
It works for HDDs.

Edit: Yeah Optane, my bad for some reason I mixed it up with Octane the language.

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A lot of good info. Computer will be a catch all type of machine but will be my main playing computer. I'm not concerned with being able to play everything on extra-ultra settings. I'm a casual player, no streaming or anything like that. Mainly single player and I hop from one game to another so many times it's pretty embarrassing.

P.S. - picked up some new terms to look up lol

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1)SSD for OS and you programs 250-500GB should be good, I have a Samsung 250GB. HDD for storage and games libraries (steam, gog, uplay, origins, etc) 2-3tb should be enough.
2) I recommend 16GB of ram. If you can't get that much, you can always get 8 now and 8 more later.

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^ This. Samsung 850 Evo SSD are about on the money. And I Run my larger drives, games etc, from SATA HDD (cheaper)

16g Minimum. I'm currently running 24g (only because one of my 8g sticks burnt out - I had 32g) but RAM is expensive globally at the moment, so start with 8 and another 8 Later

My MOtherboard and CPU (i7) are last generation. Oldest things in my machine and it runs everything fine.

Graphics card, - whatever you can afford, I usually spend about $250 AU and thats it.

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Thank you, more good info. Appreciate y'alls time.

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It depends on what you want to do with it and how much are you willing to spend.. but 2 cents, are SSD is a must, 8GB RAM is pretty suficient (I think) Graphics card it depends on what games you want to play (the heavier they are more expensive it will be) Processor get an i5 or i7 if you want to work with something like sony vegas etc.. Get a good motherboard so that it will be easier to upgrade other parts of the PC as the motherboard won't become obsolute .. that's about it, also a power supply should be bought according to the computer you buy

EDIT: Like MyNameIsMud, SSD can be used to only store OS and programs you use daily and one or two games, the rest you can buy an HDD drive that its far less expensive and there you can store all the other things you have (For example I have 120gb SSD and 1Tb HDD)

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I pretty much figured I'd need a SSD and RAM. Speaking to your comment of updating, I don't want anything integrated to the MoBo right? Oh and another question I should have asked in the beginning, do I need to worry with sound cards or just use onboard one? Thanks for your time and info.

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Onboard sound is actually rather god these days, but if you want really good sound you should get an external DAC (like a FiiO E10K). No one uses dedicated internal sound cards anymore since they often have various driver issues and normally provide a worse experience compared to external ones even when they do work right.

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Onboard appears to be fine for what I need then. Thanks!

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1) SSDs are obligatory, especially with the new M.2 and NVMe standards; they are cheap, and reduce any loading time by a lot.
2) 8GB is enough most of the time, but 16GB is ideal.
3) With a GTX 1060 or an RX 570 you can run the majority of modern games @1080p60, with games like Rise of TR, TW3 or ME Catalyst pushing the cards to their limits (you will need some overclock to get a stable 50-60fps); upper models are more future-proof, obviously, while lower are still still worth buying, offering an amazing cost per frame efficiency.
4) Yes, a good PSU is obligatory if you want to keep you build safe, I suggest you some trusted threads over the Interweb for reference on Tom's and LTT; the motherboard is defined by your CPU of choice, usually 100 to 150€/$ are enough to get a good product.

Since you made this type of thread I suppose you have a limited budget to spend: how much is it? Also, what system do you have right now? Having a 5yo PC doesn't mean it's worthless. If at the time you got a decent CPU, Mobo and RAM you just need to get a fresh GPU and an SSD, which you can reuse for example the next year or two when you'll new CPU, Mobo and RAM. As for getting a future-upgrade-proof system, AMD Ryzen is the best choice, but CPU sockets will eventually change (AMD says they will use the AM4 until 2020 at least) and so do RAMs (DDR5 here it comes).

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The budget isn't set in stone right now. Would love something at least middle of the road. Money can be saved for some of the bigger purchases.

I put some specs up above, do you need to know anything else? We'll stay away from overclocking right now - heard of it, don't understand it so not this time lol. (Sorry, I'm pushing 50 and what is second nature to some of y'all is still magic to me)

Thanks for the links and taking the time to help!

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Eheh, overclocking nowadays is less complicated than 10 years ago for example, but is not something necessary by any means.

Anyway, for your dinosaur is probably time to become extinct, so... The biggest part of your budget will be for the video card, and as you may have noticed from the answers you got the Nvidia GTX 1060 offers the best price/value ratio, as well supporting all the new technologies. On the other side, the brand new AMD RX 570 is an excellent alternative, they are identical in performance and what really matters is your personal preference for a Brand, and the cost. Just keep in mind that the 1060 comes in two main variants, 3GB and 6GB, the latter being about 4-5% faster if I remember correctly, but also ~50€/$ pricier. 3GB of VRAM sometimes are not enough to run some games at hyper-mega-ultra settings, so you want to go for the 6GB card (or the smarter 4GB version of the RX 570). Otherwise get a way pricier 1070 and you'll have no problem for the next 4 years or so if you stick at 1080p.

Add a decent CPU in the 100-150€/$ range (heck, actually even a 70€ Pentium is more than enough for most modern games), 8GB or 16GB of DDR4 RAM (to save money you can two sticks of 4GB now, and another twos in the future), a motherboard in the 70-100 range, even less since you are not aiming to overclock, and then use a good PSU.

Then get an SSD, they are cheap so you should get at least a good 250GB one to install the OS and some games. Otherwise you may get a 120GB SSD for the OS, browser and basic software, and save to get an additional 500GB later for gamez. You also should be able to recycle your current HDD.

Usually people spend around 7-800€/$ for a very good build with a 1060/570, less if you are on budget (so half the ram, cheaper motherboard and CPU). For around 550 you can have a cheap but decent PC mounting a 1050 Ti perfect for most online games, and capable of running most modern games on medium-high settings at 1080 with 40-60fps. Of course you should reuse your current HDD and case.

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1) The ideal would be to get a ssd and a hdd. You could go for a 128gb ssd if you're really tight on budget, and a 1tb hdd or bigger if you want.
2) 8gb RAM is the minimum these days. I'd recommend going for 16gb to be safe from ram hungry games.
3) GTX 1060 is the king right now. Go for the 1070 or 1080 if you have better budget.
4) I mean, it would probably be nice to get a new mobo, from what you said. You'll probably want to update your cpu, too. So keep in mind what cpu you want to go for before deciding on a mobo.

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More good info. Thank you very much!

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before we can answer all these questions 100% you should tell us (and set your self) a price.
it's not open end but most of the time in hardware you get more for more.

To your questions

  1. def. ssd. now it depends on your budget and how much space you need. I throw all hdds out of my system because I didn't need them any more

  2. at least 8gb of ram, speed depends on your cpu (ryzen loves fast ram). 16gb would be better but price for ram is waaay to high atm. brand doesn't matter. mostly same chips.

  3. normaly I would say AMD but there is no good product available so depends on budget 1060, 1070 or 1080. don't buy a 1070ti

  4. it sounds like you also need a new cpu. if only gaming go with an i5 or i7. If you also stream, compiling or just lot of multitasking go with ryzen 1700)
    psu... go with a brand. Corsair is good atm

would be good to know what you have atm

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Got a few specs up above. Loving these numbered lists, it's making it easier for me to grab info from them. Also thanks to those that are listing options as far as graphics etc. If I didn't put enough specs above let me know what you need to see. Thanks for your time.

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Good middle of the road build:

CPU: i5-8600K
RAM: 16GB
GPU: Geforce 1060 (6GB version) or 1070
Storage: 500GB SSD (Mechanical drives are useful for data storage, but if loading time matters to you an SSD is a must)

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Nice, thank you very much

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Watch the youtube videos on PC building tutorials like linus tech tips and jay2cents. There's a few tips/dumb mistakes to look out for, like buying a motherboard that doesn't support overclocking and spending unnecessarily on components that do.

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I have a seen a few of those. A little skeptical of some though since I'm not sure who they are being sponsored by. Sorry pessimistic cynic here lol. Thanks for taking time to help.

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Yep, that's why I'm here as well to help with some of the questions I had. Thank you very much!

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So now to the questions:
1) Hard Drive(s) - Should I go SSD? Capacity?
Yes, SSD for the OS and frequently used games, absolutely. I recommend 500GB as a minimum, and 1TB as the recommended. I say this because my 500GB drive is full just from my frequently played games, and game sizes keeps increasing. New games are clocking in at 60-80GB each, and I expect that number to rise.

2) Amount and type of memory?
16 GB recommended (2x8GB). If you like to have lots of browser tabs open at once, you may even want to go up to 32GB (2x16GB). I have 16GB and I still have to close out of Chrome and every other app when I play Forza Horizon 3 because FH3 will use 13+ GB of RAM by itself.
The type of memory depends on your motherboard. For speed, get 3200MHz+ if you can, it helps remove RAM speed as a bottle neck which improves frame times to make games smoother. It's worth the extra money to remove RAM speed as a bottleneck.

3) I'm sure this one will cause a little debate, but Graphics Card?
You should have a graphics card, there's no debate on that. As for the card, it depends on your budget, target resolution, framerate and settings, and available prices. For 1080p @ 60 fps, I recommend RX580 8GB / GTX 1060 6GB. For 1440p @ 60 or 1080p @ 120+ I recommend GTX 1070 or Vega 56. For 4K or 1440p @ 120+ there's GTX 1080 and 1080Ti. GPU prices are greatly inflated at present, which makes expensive cards like the 1080 seem much better values as everything in the mid-range is pushed towards the high end prices.

4) Guess I should throw in Motherboard and Power supply? yes/no?
You still need to have them. I don't know what you have now, but I love ASUS for motherboards and Seasonic for power supplies. They're more expensive, but both brands have been rock solid for me across many years and many computers.

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I figured I'd have more debate on which brand was better that's why I worded #3 like that. Another post with a lot of good info thank you very much!

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If you mean AMD vs Nvidia, they're both good.

Nvidia is more power efficient (not that I think it really matters, but it's nice). AMD is normally a better value, but mining has blown that up completely. Nvidia has better driver support and better relationships with developers, so there are fewer games that have issues with Nvidia cards on launch. AMD has better multi-monitor support. Nvidia has better memory management, AMD puts more memory on their cards. Nvidia tends to be faster on DX 9 games, while AMD tends to be faster on DX 12 and Vulkan.

Having used Nvidia exclusively for years, I'm currently on an AMD card. The differences I note is that the AMD drivers have much better multi-monitor support, but I occasionally run into a game that has some bugs specifically on AMD that need to be worked around. Wolfenstein: The New Order wouldn't start until I updated my drivers, and then would crash during the intro mission unless I disabled V-sync. Those problems have since been resolved with newer drivers, but I've heard of similar issues with Nier: Automata, and there's the occasional game that runs much better on an Nvidia card.

If you mean brand as in the board partners, then I recommend MSI on the AMD side (their TwinFrozr cooler is excellent, silent when idle and whisper quiet under load) and EVGA and MSI on the Nvidia side (EVGA's ACX 3.0 cooler is even better than MSI's).

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Wow, I didn’t expect this many responses already. Heading to bed so I will try to answer your questions tomorrow. Thank you all for taking the time to help. And if anything else pops in your head, please share.

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you're getting a lot of good responses here but I suggest heading over to https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/, they have a whole community dedicated to exactly this. I would pick a few parts ahead of time and ask for suggestions that way your build is complete; they have a step by step guide on asking for help on their submit help/build ready button page.
I see another user has recommended https://pcpartpicker.com/, which is great for finding and organizing your parts in one cohesive site and can find the same part for different prices at different retailers.

Edit: Head on over to reddit after you have a basic idea of what you want in your PC

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also one personal last tidbit of advice some people recommend 16GB of ram but for most games 8GB will be fine. Basically, if you're trying to have the best graphics I'd go with 16 but if you're fine with turning them down a bit (like a very little bit - some settings will be on say high instead of ultra or maybe medium instead of high, but not all of them) then 8GB is plenty; the only reason you'd need more than that other than graphics is if you're planning on playing skyrim with 100 mods running at once. id recomend 8GB simply to save money to put to other parts in your build. Worst case scenario you can swap out the ram later, since it is one of the cheaper parts of the hardware compared to the video card and the CPU.

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Thank you, didn't even think of Reddit. The way I play 8 would probably be enough for now. Can always add another stick later correct? Thank you for taking the time to help.

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What specs are your current system. A 5 year old system with a current gen. GPU (and maybe a little overclock) should be capable of playing most current games at 1080p. I was using a first gen Intel i5 overclocked to 3.8GHz with a GTX 970 until a little over a year ago and it could run GTA V on max settings at 1080p.

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I've got a few specs up above, just let me know if I didn't put enough. Thanks for your time!

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I see you listed your CPU and RAM. Do you have a dedicated GPU. If not, that would be the first thing to install. If you're going to end up building a new system anyway, it wouldn't hurt to just slap in a current generation GPU into your current system and see how much it helps. If the GPU helps, slap in another 4GB of RAM, maybe an SSD.

That's how I made that old i5 go so long. I thought I was going to have to build a new system, but decided to buy the GPU first and try it out. That made a world of difference, so I added some RAM and pushed the overclock up a bit and extended its life by about 4 years.

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More info is always a good thing. Thank you!

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Not going to read all the responses, but the biggest impact you can make is with an SSD. You can clone your current HDD operating system over to it and put some games on there and notice instant improvement, even in your current older machine.

Be advised: I do not recommend purchasing a GPU (video card) at this moment. They are all about 15-35% higher priced because of the cryptocurrency craze.

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Thank you for the info, didn't realize crypto was rearing it's head in everything.

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So you know the case and processor you want...or will those be follow-up questions? LOL
Plenty of good info here already, so I'll just leave it at that, good luck! ;)

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Thank you lol. I am currently at the stage where my blood pressure raises when I try to run a new game lol. So I'm a blank canvas right now.

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You should really state your budget as that's the main factor in every PC build, whether it's 200$ or unlimited. Also the use case is definitely important to know.

  1. SSD is a must. I'd say that 250GB should be your target, however if that's not possible go for the 120GB ones. In no case should you buy the 60GB ones, they are a waste of money. You can additionally get an HDD of whatever capacity satisfies your needs. Anything from Samsung, OCZ, Corsair, Kingston or Sanddisk (for the SSDs) and WD, Seagate or Toshiba (for the HDDs) should be okay. There obviously are differences between them (memory controllers, speed etc) but they are all the same more or less (when on the same price range). The HDDs are practically the same as far as mainstream use goes.
  2. The type of the RAM depends on your motherboard. All of the modern motherboards use DDR4 RAM. Each motherboard supports up to a certain speed of memory (out of the box). For example, if you buy 3000 MHz ones and your motherboard only supports up to 2666, it will automatically downclock it to the maximum supported speed. However, you can overclock the RAM speed to get past that max frequency of the motherboard and reach your RAM's maximum speed, as long as the motherboard is capable of doing so. I would suggest that you take a look on the Memory Support list of the motherboard you are about to buy. As for the capacity, I think that 16GB would be the best case scenario. However, the prices have spiked in the recent years and that may not be affordable for you. Nonetheless, don't get anything lower than 8GB and if your motherboard will only have 2 slots, buy 8GB as 1 stick and get another one down the road.
  3. This part is indeed debatable and you'll see many different opinions. Technically, everything is an option yet you've got to find the one that suits you the best. The essential part in buying a GPU is determining what resolution, refresh rate and graphics you wanna play your games on. Do you intend to game on a 4K monitor on ultra graphics? The 1080Ti is a one way road, I'd even suggest waiting for the next Gen in this case. Do you wanna play on 1080p, 144FPS on ultra? 1070 or 1070Ti would be a good option. Generally speaking, the more you can pay for your GPU the better performance you'll get. There is no way for a 150$ card to outperform a 250$ one (as long as they are of the same generation).
  4. If you intend to upgrade your motherboard, you'll have to upgrade your CPU as well. Your 5 years old CPU is definitely not supported by the newer motherboards, as those are created with the current Gens of CPUs in mind. The vast majority of the times, CPU and motherboard are being upgraded as a combo. Getting a new PSU wouldn't hurt, especially if your old one is of lower wattage and quality. PSUs degrade as all hardware does and maybe even at a faster pace than the rest. If you currently can't get a new one, use your old one for the time being and upgrade it as soon as you'll be able to. As long as you output of your PSU is enough for the hardware you are about to buy.

I'd say that you first specify your exact budget (or price range for the total cost), so that then we can give you more specified suggestions as what would fit you best.

I hope I've been of help.

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You've been a lot of help. You've given me a lot to think about. I appreciate the time you put into the post. All I can say for sure right now it I'm aiming for middle of the road. I don't need all settings at max, just want smooth gameplay.

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Glad that I could help :)

As I already said, you should specify precisely how much you are willing to spend. Middle of the road for me may differ to what it is to you. If you ever get to specify exactly how much you are going to spend, I'll be glad to be of more help. At the given state, that's as much help as I can possibly offer you. After all, I'm not here to phrase narratives and beliefs of what you should imo do/buy but rather guide you and help you spend your money in what I believe to be the most efficient way.

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  1. Yes. 120 GB is enough for system, but not for games. Few games actually require an SSD install to shave off considerable loading times, but it is a small edge if you buy a large one enough to have some games on it.
  2. If you buy a new PC, you will surely need DDR4 RAM. At least 2666 MHz is advised, at least 16 GB is needed for a gaming PC.
  3. If you want to keep it only for 1-2 years, then Nvidia GTX 1050 Ti or 1060. If you want it to last a good while, then AMD RX 580 or Vega 56.
  4. Motherboards are usually okay no matter what you get, as long as it has an actual brand. Power supply should be a good one though. 500 W is more than enough for any modern desktop home computer, but even 420 W is plenty. As for pointers, brands like EVGA or Corsair offer quite a few good-grade PSUs for a nice price point.
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The RX 580 is only marginally better than the 1060 and that is only in DX12 games...

The RX 580 also uses twice the power, so overall it would cost more for at best a 5% performance increase over the 1060.

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Let alone that it costs a bit more due to the mining craze.

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Thank you both for taking time to help. I really appreciate it.

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As others have said, you'd really need to know your budget, even if it's very approximate (I don't set myself a very specific budget either, I just aim for the currently "mainstream" i7 or equivalent and low high-end GPU and make sure no part is insanely overpriced compared to the others. It also really depends on what you want to do with it.

For instance, my current setup is i7-6700k, GTX 1060, SSD 500 GB + 1 TB (yes, double SSD, both rather cheap and not super fast but I think it's a lot better than having one small super fast SSD + 1 HDD), 32 GB RAM, 330W PSU (it's a laptop so PSUs aren't quite big... and that's enough anyway).

  • The CPU was the current "mainstream" i7, if I were to pick today, I'd probably go for an i7-8700k or some Ryzen equivalent (check some relevant benchmarks, eg an x264 or better x265 benchmark, or whatever you usually do and is CPU-limited)
  • The GPU was the brand new "mainstream" low high-end / high mid-end GPU, and I believe it still is. Checking the benchmarks yourself is the best way to make sure you pick the right one. I usually have a look at a few on Techpowerup, they (all?) have some great summary at the end, like this (and a few pages more afterwards): https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/EVGA/GTX_1070_Ti_FTW2/28.html
  • The SSD was because I really don't want to have an HDD anymore. 1.5 TB totally may be too much for your use (I also use it to store a bunch of video files) so you may want to go for just a single 1TB SSD. SanDisk have pretty cheap and good enough SSDs. Samsung has a nice OS optimization tool.
  • The RAM was in order to be future-proof (it's a laptop and 2 RAM slots are very hard to reach under the keyboard, so I stuffed them right at the start), 16 GB should be enough (dependent on your use though), just make sure you anticipate an upgrade to 32 (either leave some free slots, or be willing to resell your sticks later)

As for MOBO, in my laptop I couldn't choose, but in my desktop I usually pick the cheapest one where I can stuff 4 RAM sticks. My latest one was €60-ish and still allows to tweak CPU voltage (no OCing though, but it's for an i5-6600, which is not OC-enabled as far as I know)

As for PSU, it depends on your parts. Just make sure you pick one of good quality (and good efficiency) but not excessively powerful. Basically, estimate your full load consumption with TDP CPU + TDP GPU + a little margin (let's say 10%) + 20-ish W for little stuff (MOBO, SSDs, RAM), then multiply by 2 (the target is using your PSU at 50%, which yields the best efficiency). 400-ish W should be about right, I usually pick Corsair ones, but again reading a few reviews is a good idea :) I haven't bought a PSU in a while, as my latest desktop used a Corsair PSU I bought 5 years before: good PSUs are worth getting because you'll probably get to reuse them, if you feel like it ;)

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How much money do you want to spend?
Which country?
What do you want to do with it? Video capturing and editing too?
It's like someone asking which car to get ;)

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Well if nothing else, I'm realizing everything was so much easier in 1997 when we bought our first home computer lol. Thank you for a lot of good info and another slew of words to look up lol.

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You haven't said what you have now, so it's hard to know if simple upgrades could solve your problems. A 5+ year old PC, assuming it was decent for its time, should be capable of playing most games at decent frame rates with some upgrades, so until I get more info I'll assume that's the case, and would recommend that you upgrade your existing PC.

It would also help if you'd say what games you want to play apart from Skyrim. Skyrim isn't that resource heavy in current terms, unless you play the Special Edition.

Should you go SSD?

An SSD should help with loading times (although they are affected by other things too). It's pretty much a must have item these days.

240GB SSD's are reasonably inexpensive these days, and you may even be able to make do with a 120GB one. If you have one or two games you play regularly, you can make do with a small SSD and install these particular games on it. Steam allows installing different games to different drives, and moving games to another drive, so it's simple to just add a drive and use it this way. It's better for everyday use to have the system drive be an SSD, but that's more work.

I've also read that an SSHD (hard drive with an internal small SSD cache) can be good enough if you're playing games one at a time (or long sessions with a lot of reloading). Wouldn't necessarily recommend one, but it's an option if you want a lot of space for games but still get better performance than a regular drive.

Graphics card

The main problem with graphics cards these days is terribly inflated prices due to cryptocurrency mining. This makes it rather hard to recommend one. IMO it's a matter of setting a budget, searching stores for cards that sell at okay prices, and choosing the best card that fits the budget. If you find some cards and can list them, I and others will tell you what we think is best.

RAM

It can be a bottleneck if you don't have enough. Anything below 8GB will be cause quite a slowdown for modern gaming. 16GB is better, but the difference isn't huge. Anything over 16GB is overkill.

RAM is quite expensive these days (though not as expensive as a decent GPU). It's another reason I'd suggest upgrading a PC rather than buying a new one.

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Budget will be middle of the road (I know that's relative to different people). I'm in the United States and it will be the rig I will do most of my gaming on. No twitch, youtube, streaming or anything like that. If I want people to laugh at me when I play, I'll let my kids and grands watch me :-)

Thank you for all the info.

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1) Hard Drive(s) - Should I go SSD? Capacity?.

YES, 240GB or up, smaller size are not much cheaper (GB/$). always get HDD for storage

2) Amount and type of memory?

8GB is minimum for multi tasking, but gaming will vary

3) I'm sure this one will cause a little debate, but Graphics Card?

depends on your screen resolution, and how high GFX do you demand
1060GTX and RX570 are good for 1080p on high

4) Guess I should throw in Motherboard and Power supply? yes/no?

also depends on what you have, no need to change MoBo if you keep the same CPU/RAM.
Power supply can live long, i had the same PSU through 3 different systems(9 years). just make sure it will be enough for the Graphics Card (GPU)

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Reasons of why should yo u get 240 and not 120:

I got 120gb and i clearly need more space ( got 120 SSD+ 1tb HDD)
And 240 actually is like 20€ more than 120, much worth

  1. Got 8GB too, good enough
    I dont play on 4k so 1050ti 4gb
  2. My Power supply is around 700-750w and a motherboard that allow 32GB
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Good to know, thank you for taking the time to help me out.

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700-750W is way more than you need.
I have an i5-7600, 16GB RAM, 240GB SSD, 1TB HDD, 500GB HDD, GTX1070 - and "only" 650W psu.
Got it all running on an H270.

Take the SSD for the system and drivers and the HDD for storage/games.

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i do agree on the SSD, im still on 80GB and it fits maybe a game or 2 :(
BUT,, 750W is way of an overkill for 1050ti, its good if you plan to upgrade to 1080ti
its optimal to run @ 80% of max PSU load

8GB is good for me also, but having more will help my multi tab addictions :D

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My suggestion is don't build a PC right now. Not unless you cannot wait or you have tons of money to spend on overpriced parts. Thanks to phone manufacturers and crypto miners, the price of RAM and GPUs are insanely inflated.
The video card inflation isn't too bad, it's the RAM situation that I say this for. I see above somebody saying 16GB of RAM is overkill, it's not; it's the bare minimum of a new PC. I wouldn't even say 32GB is overkill, that's a good future proof. The problem there is if you want to buy 32GB of DDR4 it is going to cost you about $500!
Luckily many analysts are predicting memory production overtake demand towards the end of this year through mid-2019. Once that happens you can expect to get that same 32GB of RAM for less than $100 instead of $500.

If you do chose to wait, you'll likely be able to build a nice Coffee Lake computer with a 1080, lots of RAM, a nice SSD for your OS and games, and huge HDD for everything else. All for a MUCH more reasonable price. Especially considering components like the CPU and the video card will likely have gone down in price.

Of course it's easy for me to tell you to wait, I can still play many games at 4k with my build. Looking at your specs, I'd say get another 4GB of RAM assuming your Mobo has space (make sure it's the same type of RAM). This might not worth doing though, if your RAM is too obsolete it may be more expensive than newer stuff because nobody makes it anymore.
If your Mobo supports SATA 3 I would get an SSD, it will provide the biggest and most noticeable performance increase. If you don't have SATA 3 don't get an SSD, it will be bottle necked.
Lastly, get yourself a cheap video card to tide you over. Anything from a 760 to a 970. You may even be able to get something like a 1060 for a similar cost.

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