He probably feels the same way about you. Why don't you change YOUR ridiculous views so he doesn't have to put up with it?
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Rather than act like children you could have a conversation about it and reach an understanding.
Also,
if you're a....
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I'm just playing "let's turn the table and see how you like it".
The problem with politics, is that both side of the spectrum usually thinks the other one is the stupid one.
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I agree. That's why I suggest discourse in hopes of developing some understanding regarding the other's positions and hoping for some common ground.
Extremism is rarely a good thing.
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What's "fun" with extremists is that they tend to polarize the discussion. I've been called a "leftist communist" and "right-wing fachist" by two different groups for expressing the exact same opinion, on more than one occasion. I guess it's a validation of my more centrist approach. :P
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its crazy cuz he straight up wont talk politics, he voices his opinion but wont have any debate or discussion on any of it
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That's an entirely different question then. If you can have a conversation, then do so. If not, well...
I've personally cut out others (with similar and dissimilar views) to various degrees simply for their lack of ability to reasonably and rationally back whatever their stance is.
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im moving out so neither of us have to deal with the dispute, we all have our views, but i stick with mine, as does he, very little will change my views on whats happening.
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I know, I was being a bit silly. As I said above, in politics both side of the argument usually feels like the other one has the ridiculous views.
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very little will change my views on whats happening.
that's the problem right there. i noticed that many conservatives seem to have this mindset. they are not even willing to listen to arguments and say they won't change their mind anyway. i will never understand how people can be like this.
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its the same on both sides, cant say its just conservatives. people believe what they believe, its hard to change what most people believe, and i agree that could be a set back at times
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the question is why people believe certain things. this can make all the difference. simple example:
a conservative denied climate change. you can present him all the evidence, he will still believe that climate change is a hoax.
a liberal thinks climate change is true. but if suddenly evidence is presented to him that proves there is no manmade climate change, he will change his view.
if course this is not the case with all conservatives, and i bet there are enough stupid liberals out there. but from what i gather through the media, through interviews and all that, i get the impression that this is a strong tendency. basing a world view on beliefs rather than evidence is a big problem, no matter where it happens. and in a case like climate change, it could ultimately have extremely bad consequenses.
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You can't reason someone out of a position that they didn't reason themselves in to.
Use all the logic, evidence and reason you want, you'll never change the point of view of someone who simply 'believes' they are right.
It is pointless and futile, which is why I don't bother discussing politics with so many people I know. They have beliefs. I use the scientific method, logic and evidence to come up with how I think things should be.
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The difference is, mine are malleable. If evidence and facts used to come to my decision change, then I change.
People who just 'believe' and didn't use reason and logic will never change regardless of the evidence presented.
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In Brazil the left (liberals) brought the relativism of biology, economics, society and some other relativism about lots of cientificaly proved things. The relativism become the basis of some news channels here... All bringing their left wing agenda to relativize all that already exists (they call it "deconstruct" - which the word itself brings its meaning). Somehow, when I saw the climate change thing brought by conservatives on USA I was kinda impressed. Thank God this relativism is, still, not a problem here on conservatives... But it seems to be a tendency.
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counterpoint: many "liberals" believe vaccines cause autism. you can present them with all the evidence, they will still believe that vaccines cause autism.
stubbornness knows no politics. neither does rationality. It's just more noticeable in those of a different persuasion
tldr: humans are fucking stupid
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The problem with belief is that it's... a belief. It's not a fact, it's just a belief which actually means nothing but laziness to use a brain and analyze things from different points of view. People who have strong beliefs also have less empathy because they don't need it - you don't need to try to understand the other person because you have belief and that's it. Nothing's gonna change your mind. People with strong beliefs might even ignore facts and science because... they don't believe it even if something is proven. It's better to get rid of beliefs and exchange it with knowledge. Otherwise we'd still live in a flat world :P
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i personally believe in facts, were i personally find that alot of the liberal side is useing that new , alternative facts, thing to try to sway on things, i know what i see, things can be pretty basic when brokin down
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not from what ive been around at least, it may be differant depending on who and where your talking to or from, but most of what ive delt with its liberals wanting to change the actual facts to what they want to believe, again thats just my experiance
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alternative facts came from kellyanne conway.
can you state an example? what facts do liberals try to change?
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alternative facts are something the trump administration introduced. liberals had nothing to do with it. ^^
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Uh, alternative facts was created by conservatives. Do you ever check your sources? Literally a member of the WH said the term "alternative facts" and has been mocked for it ever since.
Not sure how you can believe in facts and be conservative. Fox News and Republicans have made a living the last 40 years using fear, uncertainty and doubt to scare people into voting for them.
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i know what i see, things can be pretty basic when brokin down
when it comes to scientific topics, what you see is completely irrelevant, since you don't have the necessary knowledge to correctly interpret what you see. and many topics are far from basic. in case of climate change you have to rely on the scientists that worked on this for decades (or invest a few months to really get into this and read hundreds of papers). you can't base your view on what you see here, unless you mean you see the evidence. because that's the only thing you should be looking at.
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Usually the truth is somewhere in the middle but nobody seems to care ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Nobody wants the middle because everybody is sure they are right.
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I was in the opposite position in college - I was the more "liberal" minded guy, and he was the conservative.
I did what you did, and moved out. The problem wasn't really our political differences, it's that he wouldn't ever shut up about them. -_-
and no, i'm not exaggerating when I say he ranted constantly about politics
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i stay quite on alot of it until he brings up certain things, and thats when i try to put my opinion and his only response is, i dont talk politics, but were friends on facebook and i see his posts, it just drives me nuts. guess im just that person
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That's the thing. I never spoke about politics. I know better than to bring that stuff up, especially with people you're exposed to every day (i.e. co-workers, friends, roommates). I don't even like discussing it on the forums here.
But this guy, he started from day one and didn't let up until I moved out a couple months later. I was assigned a dorm room with him, so it wasn't a big deal to move to another room. edit: Oh, and his girlfriend stunk up the room something fierce, which made it easier to leave.
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Ouch, that really sucks. It's one thing if you do dislike them on the basis of what they believe in, and it takes the fucking cake when they won't stop yapping about their beliefs. Had a Jehovah's Witness guy in my grade try to convert me, and would not agree to listen to the fact that I was and am agnostic
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Indeed, religion is another topic that rarely makes for good conversation, because people are even more convicted in their religious beliefs than political beliefs, and someone always takes thing a bit too far.
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Politics is always a sore topic. Each side has its reason for thinking the way they do and trying to change that is just gonna cause unnecessary drama.
You can't change people's world views, but you can try to broaden them with understanding and maturity. If you want to.
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You can't change people's world views
of course you can. that's what discussions are for.
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Some poeple are not willling to discuss though. You can give them every single shred of information that goes against their belief and they will just dismiss it as invalid or propaganda for the "other side".
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absolutely right. i was just saying that the general statement is wrong. that doesn't mean there aren't many people out there who will never change their belief, no matter how strong the evidence.
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Well, in my opinion you're right, but the issue is more that it takes a LOT of effort and patience on both parties part. Most people nowadays are not in the mood or want to put forth that effort to hear other people out. Even more are unable to "agree to disagree" and accept it if a consensus is not reached or change their own views.
The only times I've ever seen someone switch world views in a very short period is when they are literally still a child, or have encountered some EXTREME situation or experience which their view cannot be maintained with.
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I've moved all the way from extreme rightist to extreme leftist (passing through every position in between) then back to center-left in a matter of 3 years. Then again I'm barely 18 and ridiculously unstable :s
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If you're the type of person to ask questions and accept that you don't know everything, it doesn't really change after high school either. Buckle up as they say ^^'
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but if the one side doesnt even want to try to talk and or broaden the view then what? i like talking politics personally
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Don't you mean adopt your pov?
Anyway, if you people can't get along with each other then go separate ways. Some people aren't meant to live or spend large amounts of time together.
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i dont try to get him to adopt my point of view, but id at least like him to have a rational conversation on the topics, who knows, he may sway me on thing or two. we may never know though if it never happens
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Have you ever had a political discussion with someone besides your roommate, and at the end of the discussion completely changed your point of view?
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i have political discussions with many people all the time, almost on the daily, and most of the time no i dont change my view, but at times ive changed a certain points of my views, im always open for new views, thats why i like discussing the topics as much as i do
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I used to live with a really, really liberal girl and her boyfriend. Only way we kept the peace was agreeing to disagree and not talk politics at each other. Luckily it worked or Id have probably moved too.
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This is the way to go. Very wise and mature approach. Well done!
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i dont like the whole ignore for peace attitude though, i feel thats more detrimental than anything, if we all ignored everything nothing would change and i just dont feel like that would help anything
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To each their own, but for me personally, when politics are causing problems with a friendship that I value, I pick the friendship over the politics. Especially if they arent open to a civil conversation on views. At that point, there isnt a reason to keep bringing it up if one side or the other isnt willing to hear it out.
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if you guys aren't compatible, just stay away from each other.
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thats whats happening now, its a bummer kind of, we golf and game at times, but im more political and was raised that way so i tend to bring up those kind of things, and he just shrugs it off in a way thats almost asswholeish
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i also ignore politics all the time.
it's not worth arguing with people because 99% of the time you will neither convince them nor change your mindset anyway, it will be a waste of time and get everyone angry on both sides.
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Ironically, spending less time together might be the way to keep the friendship. It's easier to say "let's talk about something else" to someone you're seeing from time to time than to someone you're actually living with.
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i agree with that, but i guess at times im the asshole for trying to bring it up, only because i like talking politics and getting others views, where as he is not
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I know the feeling. Sometimes I get worked up about something and can't really bring it up at home because me and my wife don't agree on a number of things when it comes to politics. I have learned to avoid conflicting subjects and will sometimes simply find some discussion thread on Facebook where I can chime in and express my frustrations without antagonizing my spouse.
I don't care as much about antagonizing strangers over the net... :P
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its nothing like that, this is just a room mate thing, he had a room for rent and i needed a place to live, pure hetero, just want that known
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im surprised and not surprised this topic took off like it did, in this case, we are just room mates of same age, 26, and was curious on others opinions , i thank you all for the input and wont bash on anyone for there views, but as i said, i stick with my views, and as politics go, i agree, its not something you can easily sway anyone to change there views over night
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Try being the only person of your political view in an entire country that's on the opposite side of the spectrum. And you don't have enough money to "move out" of it. All you can do is not talk about it. I find you can still love people no matter how different your political views are. Just don't talk about them all the time.
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well right now the country is pretty well split, but when certain things come up, you just cant help but voice an opinion or opposition to it, because some of whats going on now a days is just bat shit crazy
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I was talking about my own country. And yes I used to think the same as you. Got me in too many arguments with too many people whose company I otherwise enjoyed. Overall, I've just been a lot happier since I stopped talking politics with people. And yes I liked to do it and enjoyed the actual debates too, especially when they were sane and calm. But it's not worth the bad blood it generates with others. Being on friendly terms with people you see everyday will always bring you more happiness than ideological purity
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Yet another reason why I never want to live with someone else in the same apartment. Especially if I were to have easy access to a knife.
I admit to having strong views myself, but I have learned to NEVER try and butt heads with someone else of like minds. It never ends well.
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i agree, thats why i finally found a place for myself with no room mates, i work with one other person at my job and we both talk politics alot, so its kind of just what ive gottin used to, so its true in a way, if you wanna get along with people, stay away from people
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just want to say again, i love all the comments, some of you have made me do some more research and thinking, may have even changed a view or 2, wont say im not still a heavy conservative, wich i am, but ive now have some more thing to look at. these are the things i like about talking/debating these things
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If you can't make personal relationships work inspite of real differences, then politics will never succeed.
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try not to keep completely stand views, im willing to hear opposite ideas to mine if the other is willing to have a conversation.
like the arthur intro said "Everyday when you're walking down the street, everybody that you meet, Has an original point of view"
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im always down for others views, and awesome arthur reference, i agree with it, thats most of what i was asking, wasnt really expecting this post to go as far as it did, but should have known
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Honestly I can see how he couldn't stand you & your tenuous grasp of the English language.
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Your politicts views is, basically, how you rule your life.
If you guys are incompatible, you guys are incompatible.
Compatibility is not about what you think, but the way you live or maybe see life.
If you guys see/live life in a different way, the probability of incompatibility is very high.
That's life. Just be thankful to find out this soon enough to not cause damage to both of you.
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dont know what kind of relationship there is between you two. the problem might be that one or both of you takes himself and the other too seriously. would try diplomatic approach and make a deal. never getting into this stuff and keep your political opinions for yourself, ever, both of you. dont know the subject so its up to you to place the matter in the best way to make a succesful agreement and preferably avoid a bloodshed. either straight and neat (with imperative verb, like you would talk to your little kid that keeps on stealing candies) or soft and composed, even jokingly (at least he wont call for bullying and all... knowing the category this might be the best approach). if not then unsheathe the sword. getting in a fight with a rainbow colored dildo wielding howler monkey shouldnt be that hard.
dont know what would i do honestly. after that awful adolescent rebellion period (was a pseudo-commie self proclaimed minorities paladin. UGHH) and becoming quite fashy i managed to kept my liberal/antifascist/commie longtime friend with an agreement such as that, although only a few remained in my life (they open minded diversity lover and all but cant stand someone with different opinions than them dont they). despite the deal we get in discussione quite often but always find each other in the end. thats what true friendship is i suppose.
but between occasional hangouts and a shared home there is an abyss. knowing myself hope i would never find myself in such a situation. yeah, just choose carefully the wards to use.
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Politics are shit, yeah, i am so edgy. Point is, more than a political disagreement i see a life philosophy disagreement here. Have you talked about it in depth? If he can't make an effort to then fuck it, it is not worth it and you are prolonging a slow agony.
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alright guess i gotta clear this up, this is purely a room mate thing, nothing more, not that theres anything wrong with that life style, but thats not the case here, i guess this topic got alot deeper than i though it would, this was purely of 2 people with entirely different views and what peoples thoughts on what that would be like
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You may want to update the OP if you want comments to factor this in...
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Searching for a middle ground has obviously failed and, as you present it, there seems no way you two will ever relate to the other's point of view - for whatever reason, be it ignorance or simply failed discussion etc. etc. -, so you came to the conclusion to do the only thing that's left to do - respect each other and put some distance between you. And since you're in a nice and comfy position to be able to do that, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that, on the contrary. Life is already complicated as it is. Keep in mind, not judging you nor him since I don't know you, but some people just aren't compatible. If simply more people would tend to agree to disagree, there wouldn't be that much bloodshed all around the world and all would go their merry ways, but since space on this planet (and minds) are limited, this will unfortunately remain an utopy. Only thing left to say is that I hope that these experiences won't stop you from having an open mind and accepting other people's opinions, how ridiculous they might sound to you - everyone has the right to make up their own mind, but shutting other people's ideas out because of bias/prejudice limits only the capability to reason and advance - not only for oneself, but for them as well. Simple as that IMO.
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report him to the immigration agency
just a little joke :D
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Your profile picture makes me jump to the conclusion that you're ridiculously immature. So I reckon he probably hates your bullshit too, like others have said. But hey, conservatism is so hot right now. Life, conservatism and the pursuit of happiness.
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In all seriousness, look for another roommate that shares similar views as yourself. Life's too short to be irritated or unhappy with the situation you're in. Make a move to change it. Wishing you two the best of luck!
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if your a heavy conservative living with a heavy liberal, what would you do? im the conservative and just cant take his ridiculous views anymore, im moving out next week because of it, so i guess my question is. what would you do in this situation? pure political here and i know that sparks fires but im just curious on peoples views.
personally i cant stand it
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