learnt that SAM was a thing from Ravmaster, few months ago, here @SG.

you can google it, but i'd say is a piece of software that eats your steam activated games, unlocking achievements. you can 100% all games with it.

so, as a member here, learnt that you shouldn't treat my keys as very-very-dumb-bot-food. your SAM will not eat my keys, sounded fair to me.

yesterday was browsing destructoid and read this:

Why you shouldn't use SAM

at first, thought the guy wanted to say something like i've just said up here, but no. he has another point of view, more as a gamer, a good gamer that also cares for game development/developers:

...your well earned achievements, some of them even being owned by 0.3% of people or even lower which should make you feel good.

and

From now on I decided to delete SAM and never use it again, neither on broken achievements or crappy achievements. If they are broken that should be reflected in the community and the owned stats and the developers are to blame...

View attached image.
6 years ago*

Comment has been collapsed.

is uncle SAM your friend?

View Results
Yes
No

SAM is often the only way to get the description of hidden achievements to guess what the heck they are and to track the counters for the "do something X times" ones.

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

So SAM can show you progress stats even on achievement that doesn't show you progress on steam? Interesting

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I haven't heard about achievements with counters which wouldn't show on your achievement page, but for checking hidden descriptions you can use any of the popular achievement tracker websites like completionist.me or Astats

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Yep. There is no need in using SAM for that.

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Deleted

This comment was deleted 3 years ago.

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

If you click "compare to global achievement" or whatever the wording is at the top of your achievement page, the "hidden" information will be revealed.

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

All I usually see is the name of the achievement. I sometimes hope that there is an Xbox version since their trueachievement site tends to be more thorough, but with some indie Steam games that even lack astats data, I rely on SAM.

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Only ever used it to drop cards, before IM and long before ASF, since it tells Steam client the game is running to be able to give fake achievements.

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I only use it to farm cards sometimes.

Anyway that 0.x% most of the time is probably fake. I remember that when Yaluza 0 came out, in the same day 0 4% of players had already the 100% achievement. In a 60+ hours game. Yeah right.

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Kinda agree, but I know I've gotten quite a few 0.X% achievements with little to no effort (or SAM). Sometimes it's legit but they're just things people can't be bothered doing, I guess. Weird seasonal events and stuff.

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

artrasha and goleme, also sum tzenges. add 2tbs of pixord, while mixing uell.

6 years ago*
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Thanks for receipt, sadly this dish is not served around here.
The bavarians have something like it, but it is a bit different than the italian.
Do me a favour and enjoy it tomorrow ;)

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Didn't even know this existed. So cheating on achievements ey... talk about defeating the purpose 🤣

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Games are supposed to be played and enjoyed, not automated. Except for when they are Steam Summer Sale mouse-breaking clicker games.

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Wrong. Not all games are like that. Tons of asset-trash released recently clearly wasn't supposed to be enjoyed or even played.

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Which is why they weren't even supposed to be bought. Why would you buy something you don't wanna play?

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

some buy it because easy achievement, and achievement=epenis.
https://steamcommunity.com/stats/604490/achievements/

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Deleted

This comment was deleted 3 years ago.

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Achievements, cards, +1... you sound like you're new on Steamgifts :)

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

But achievements are called achievements because they're supposed to be achieved not automated.

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

You asked why to get games one doesn't want to play. I was thinking about the half idle achievement spam games, where they unlock sometimes literally every second, only needing idle time spent in the game, not actual gameplay

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

for profitz ¯\_(ツ)_/ ¯.
also, buying games is not the only option. There are mass giveaways on gleam, etc.

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Achievements are overrated, and some games don't deserve their achievements unlocked even with SAM. I don't use SAM, but not because of the reasons above - I just don't care about achievements.

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I hate SAM tbh ! What is the point of even earning achivements anymore, i means they called ACHIVEMENT

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

which movie is the picture from?

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

:O

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I would say that achievements are mostly for you (seriously how often do you go to someone's steam profile and think "he got this rare achievement, he's so awesome), so let people screw with their accounts if that really makes them happy... but I guess SAM is a problem for your group. ;P

Although I don't really see the point of unlocking achievements with SAM (can't lie to yourself ¯_(ツ)_/¯ ), I think there should be more pressure put in fixing broken achievements before we can demonize SAM.

You can't really blame people for not sticking to the systems rules... when system is broken.

To this day I have a game on 99% because developers, instead of fixing or removing broken achievement, just posted some weird solution that works for some people and not for others. After hours spent on reinstalling game and moving files... SAM suddenly looks more attractive - especially since you know you deserved that freaking achievement.
I can live with game with 50% of achievements, but 99% always hurts...

There also should exist some rules regarding steam achievements.
Like "achievements can relate only to game you're playing". I can understand achievements for DLC but, I have game that gives you achievement for playing next game in series... that wasn't released yet (and maybe never will be).
Or achievement for backing game on Kickstarter
/o/ Congratulations! Here's an achievement for having enough money in the right time... You won't be able to fix it ever again and we don't car you were poor student at that time.

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

You can stop using SAM, but if you got broken achievements unlocked, you can get tagged for being a cheater on astats still.

If you regret it, then lock them back up.

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Yea, I really hope such methods wouldn't exist... I'm an active achievement hunter and I know that people using SAM are usually banned from achievement related communities/websites if someone finds out about it, but it's still annoying when some other sites (and Steam itself) shows you totally inaccurate info about achievements...

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Deleted

This comment was deleted 6 years ago.

6 years ago*
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

yep

6 years ago*
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Redacted

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I used SAM during the cleanup-missions (play the games, and I got like 10GB install size ones) and I think.. for nothing otherwise.

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I don't have a problem with SAM, it's the achievement system itself, that raises my concerns. I don't like that Valve records my playing times and game process. Basically it's just spying disguised as a feature. I try to avoid those "features" by putting my Steam client in offline mode whenever possible. Call me paranoid, but "tell me what like to play, when you play it, how often and how much you're willing to grind for it and I can tell you who are". So if SAM messes up with their data collection by adding fake achievements, so be it. I just rather avoid achievements altogether.

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Deleted

This comment was deleted 3 years ago.

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I sometimes use SAM to unlock glitched achievements, ones that I'm 100% sure I met the requirements yet the buggers stay locked. And like talgaby up there said, SAM is pretty useful for checking the requirements of hidden achievs. Much better than trying to randomly figure them out :)

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Same here. I just use it for bugged achieves and checking requirements on hidden achieves

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

For hidden ones you can just go to the global achievements from your own achievement page (on the top left), it's way faster than opening another program.

View attached image.
6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

True, but a lot of the time I don't see a description, just the name of the hidden achieve. That's when I usually just use SAM to see them

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Apparently I don't use SAM enough to know about such differences, thanks for the info :)

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

It won't reveal the description of the achievement until you unlock it. And without the description, the achievement name alone is often very obscure and confusing. It does show which achievements are hardest to get and give an indicating of how annoying to get they'll be.

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Cheaters will cheat if they have the posibility of doing it so the better approach is to feel good with your well earned achievements and forget about the rest of the world, there is a cheaters jungle out there.

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

your well earned achievements, some of them even being owned by 0.3% of people or even lower which should make you feel good.

I feel like stopping doing achievements to show off and starting doing them as a personal goals will fix this problem - that will make you feel good no matter how many people cheated the achievement.

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

People who demonize SAM are people who can't use it responsibly. Using SAM to unlock broken, glitched or no longer obtainable achievements is a completely legitimate reason to use it in my opinion. Even though my 100% profile might seem like I didn't, I have only ever used it for those achievements and have always been open about it. I don't see any reason why I should be punished for lazy developers who generally don't care about fixing their achievements.

Just because bad people use it to cheat doesn't mean it's a bad program.

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

People frown upon SAM ( I think) because you CAN unlock any achievement with it. If you unlocked that broken one, that nobody can legit acquire - then who knows what else you used it for. Cheated on the rare item one, or the one that was challenging? Maybe you never ever played the game, just let it to idle and unlocked an achievement every half an hour?
To have a very benign example - imagine that you have a superpower to make anyone sneeze, and people know that you can do that. How many times would you accused that their sneezing was caused by you, only because you can do that?
I think the anti-SAM thing is somewhat similar, a bit paranoia-related, people even claiming that they don't know / use it, just to avoid the accusations and the paranoia-rounds.

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

You have a valid point, but I personally don't care what others think about my achievements. Because I know that I got them legitimately and that's enough for me, if others want to believe I'm a cheater that's fine too. Whether someone gets their achievements legitimately or not doesn't affect me at all. I've gotten many of these "rare" achievements and there are few to none that ever impress me, most of the time they aren't very hard, they're just time consuming and most people, for good reason, just can't be bothered. I think there's something wrong with the people that need their validation through others from meaningless Steam achievements.

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Why you shouldn't use SAM ?
Because it can be detected years ago was that not possible, archivement cheat/hack are not allowed AND they punish people for using SAM.

So use it when you want risk your games... and need to cheat because you can't do it by yourself...

EDIT:
I reported, in the past, people for using SAM and so i know exactly that they punish people for using it ;o). Team Fortress 2 at 100% archievements in 70h... and such ones.
I know people at steam + sg that are archivement cheaters (yes the worst ones are on my BL :-D. Its a bit like a running gag with my BL).

EDIT 2:
I am (very) proud on the archievements i reached (when uncommon/rare) with my own skills. The cheaters/hackers are proud that there program "played" for them or what ? It's a sign of a weakling to be happy over anything that you don't reached by yourself.
To make it clear i don't speak from people that use it for unlocking a broken Archievement (but when enough made this, why should the dev fix it ?), i speak from people that get 100% in a few hours by games that other ones need 100's or 1000's of hours (and often not reach 100% -and that is ok because people are not perfect and they don't need a perfect archievement history....-).

6 years ago*
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

like in life in general there's people with integrity and there's scum.
and scum always looks for shortcuts and the easy way in & out.

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

sorry Leuchte if i use this comment of yours (not for you, you just triggered this mines):

everyone should keep words at noice and funny level. if not enjoyable, Close Discussion is a click.

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

If it wasn't directed at him, maybe don't use the "reply" button? ¯_(ツ)_/¯

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I honestly don't care about other people's achievements but I see some people really care.

Anyway your games, your way to play them

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Still don't understand why bother with achievement
to show ppl You're really into the game that other ppl might not own?

I got 46/47 achievement from certain game and don't even want to complete the last achivement even though it's the easiest non-storyline achievement (fishing)

oh, wait, sorry. I live among pirates who doesn't know what's achievement

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I'm aware of SAM but doesn't bother with achievements at all, so it is of no use for me.
The only thing I imagine it to be useful is when you want to reset your achievements and statistics for a replay from scratch.

6 years ago*
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Achievements are dumb and I'm glad of SAM's existence that makes them even more pointless.

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Deleted

This comment was deleted 3 years ago.

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I'm salty because I can't opt-out of being spammed by distracting notifications that I killed 50 bears or whatever. Couple times I toyed with idea to make my own launcher that will unlock every achievement of a game as I launch it, so that I get zero notifications, and then locks them again when I turn it off, but eh, effort

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

You could always use SAM to do that manually :P

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

You can disable the Steam overlay, so it doesn't distract you at all :P

6 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Closed 6 years ago by icaio.