I choose b too. Just because its free doesn't mean its a good giveaway. What if devs start giving out guest passes or demos? That's what limited betas are like
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But beta keys aren't public. Guest passes and demos are. See the difference? You aren't effected if they put up beta giveaways. The people entering them ARE effected. Essencially you're saying because you don't want it, no one else can. Like if I give everyone here a single scoop of free ice cream, you're crying in the corner saying no one can have ice cream because you want two scoops of free ice cream and one isn't good enough.
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Beta keys are essentially public. There are multiple places where you can easily obtain Chivalry and Guns of Icarus: Online. In fact, guest passes are much more private than beta keys ever are, considering that there are so few ways of getting them. That's why giving away a beta pass is like giving away a demo or a "free week" as in the case of Chivalry.
Essentially you're saying that just because something is free, it is good to give away. Like if I offer to give everyone a free guaranteed flu. Do you want it? Probably not.
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It's not something he'd probably do if he already attempted to do it
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I would prefer b aswell. why do we get in trouble for betas but its fine for them. there only using this as advertising. At least the 2 dawn guys got it right by giving us beta and full game upon release. but the guys giving away medieval warfare are giving us 5 days to play beta and thats all you get. plus it adds to the overall contributions which makes that jump up so much. also the greenlight givaways are stupid because the game isnt even on steam. hint the name steamgifts.
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did i say it affected my life ?? it messes up stats on the site, we went from 1.6 mil to over 2 mil on betas. and i will not enter, i dont fancy winning a game then having it taken off me 5 days later. why wont they give away full games, probally because they dont care about us and there money whores. Just look at ravaged for example. they did small giveaways but they were all for full game. so why dont medieval warfare dudes do the same, there still getting the advertissing from the site being on front page.
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How does "messing up the stats" affect you?
Do you think game development doesn't cost anything? That's it's only done by millionaires sitting in Corinthian leather chairs smoking cigars and counting wads of cash?
These aren't betas for EA out Activision, they're for small developers likely working out of their home in their free time.
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I dont have a job that earns me money, cant get one with the recession but i do work as a volunteer who helps give food to homeless people. i would call it a job but i am working for free yes.
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They are not supposed to enter giveaways, but some still did. I can't post names here without "calling out"
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They are allowed because they are the developers and it's advertised as beta. Also they aren't doing it for the contributor value.
The reason normal users can't give betas is that they are often misrepresented as the full game. Also people would get the contribution value for the full game, and that's not fair.
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The contributions mean nothing as they won't and aren't allowed to enter giveaways.
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im not talking about there contributer value at all, i mean the contributer value for the site overall.
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We delivering the best final product possible!... and the reward?
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They are only using it as advertising, i no betas are for tests but they can give them out on their site, people from here would link anyway, thats always the case when anything is free. they are here solely for advertising.
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So you get to play a game, for free, for a week or two or three. What a travesty!
If you enjoy the beta so much, maybe you can thank the developers by actually BUYING THE GAME when it releases. They'll probably even give you a discount! What jerks!
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I have a fairly complicated solution to that. Do the following steps:
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Sounds too advanced. You should dumb it down for these people.
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You have to look to steamgifts like this:
Never look gift horse in the mouth.
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Right, but it seems like if he can read and tell that some developer giveaways are beta keys, I don't know why he wouldn't be able to with all of them. If he didn't know it was a beta I'd blame it on some mistake, not his English, since it's obviously good enough to be able to identify developer beta giveaways well enough to complain about them.
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Nor is it mine. But since Beta in the sense of a software development phase also exists in Spanish (which I gather is likely to be his first language), that's no excuse.
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Your just mad cause you cant win a full game, and you cant win a beta game.
To win giveaways in this site you need to be smart and lucky.
Smart - if anyone is kind to you , be kind back - Jade gave me a bundle just cause I made him laugh
Lucky - Do I really need to explain?
If you dont want a beta, dont enter it. as you can see many people are trying to get them, so dont you worry about us.
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Its kind of an asshole thing to do, Thats why people have problems with it. Why?
Betas are NOT ALLOWED to be gifted in SteamGifts, Yet developers are? That's a bit unfair.
They OWN the game, They have UNLIMITED copies, Yet they only giveaway betas. Theyre just using SteamGifts as free advertising.
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Im not saying giveaway a million copies, Giveaway somehting like 10-20.
If you really wanna contribute to the community you might aswell give something even if its small. Beta giveaways from devs are like loans. You dont really GET anything.
Specially since Chivalry has betas keys EVERYWHERE, You could google it right now, Go to a site. Press "Get Key" and start playing. No waiting for the giveaway here to finish.
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Im just saying that they COULD be contributing to the community but they dont because they dont want to.
PS: Awesome game, I got the beta myself from one of those sites, I havent decided whether to buy this or War for the Roses though :O
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Its not free advertising, im sure they pay SG to get these developers on. They make a nice contribution that helps keeping this site online.
Betas are allowed for developers. And it MAKES SENSE. Developers are the one that need their beta tested!.
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it used to be that you got paid to beta test. Now they get free testing under the guise of altruism
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One reason beats aren't allowed (with exceptions such as DOTA2, btw) is that it would encourage people to grab free beta keys just to gift them on Steamgifts, so their contributor value goes up. This obviously does not apply to devs giving away their own games.
So what if they use SG as free advertisement ? How does that affect you in any way ?
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Well, Youre right in the first thing. its just kinda ehhh... To have certain people have "extra rights" but youre right.
About the 2nd one though, Its like saying I own Burger King. And I go to Africa and give everyone a piece of meat.
cmon, I have practically UNLIMITED burgers, Why not give the whole thing? Sure Im helping out & Its nice, But I could be doing MUCH MUCH MUCH better, I just dont WANT to.
People that giveaway games here only have 1/2 copies. Devs have unlimited. They could give a few if they really wanted to contribute.
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You dont seem to understand the parable ._.
I OWN Burger King, I sell MANY Burgers. I have practically unlimited Burgers. I could give 10 burgers to poor people and it would barely affect me. But I chose not to. I just give them a taste, So they buy one from me.
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they may be doing it for tasting too, but mostly they want our opinion on it...
If you own Burger King, you want your burgers to sell good, no? So, you give a few "unfinished" to people, and then ask their opinion about what can be added to make it better.
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Ofcourse, But then the game would be in Alpha stage. Chivalry is releasing in 5 days. The game right now is 100% complete, Its only about bug fixing now. (Its kinda impressive that Leveling and Weapon Acquiring is bugged THIS late in dev process)
They wont add anything else to the game, Theyll just fix the small things. Right now its not about feedback anymore because they cant change the product.
Its like you gotta make an essay on "Why cats suck" but you made one on "Its not their fault that they suck" You fucked up, And you only have 10mins left. You cant make a whole new essay or change ALOT from your first one, You can only make really small changes to make it fit the requirements.
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What you said is always a possibility, Im not the devs and I dont know what theyre thinking by putting their beta on SG and all those other sites. But for me it seems unlikely that they want feedback, Their Alpha started months ago, Closed Beta WEEKS ago.
This beta started only like 2 weeks ago? Seems more like a advertisement move to me, A smart one at that if see it with a marketing standpoint, But maybe a little insulting from some other stand points.
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Professional game devs make games. This costs them money. They want to sell the games, so they make money back. If they manage to make more money back than they put in, that's called 'profit'. It's what allows the game developers to pay for their bills. If they don't make enough profit to pay their bills, they can't afford to make more games. That's a sad thing. Nobody wants that. If they give away a bazillion of free games, they sell less games, making it more likely that the sad thing happens.
Yes, they could give away some games. Sure. Why not. But I can guarantee you that no matter how many they do give away, some whiney entitled b*tch is going to complain that what they're giving away for free is just not good enough, and they could, nay, should do more. Kinda like you do.
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Theres a difference between giving away a GAME and a BETA for a paid game.
Giving away a BETA is like giving away a DEMO, Maybe even worse. Sure you can try it, But after a bit you ahve to PAY to keep playing. In other words: You didnt contribute to the site.
You gave away something that cost you nothing in the hope that the people you gave that "taste" to will PAY you to get more. (For example: Dude gives you weed for free to "try it out" for the first time, Just so you like it and keep buying from him. Profit for him)
They could giveaway a few games like I said then they would have contributed. A few would ENJOY the game forever. And like you said, They gotta make profit so they cant giveaway THAT much, Thats why I said ~20 game orso. 10, 15, 20, 25? Not much. Not much loss for the devs and a HUGE contribution to the site.
Let the whiny bitches whine, But the people that won actually WON something :P
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We delivering the best final product possible!... and the reward?
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They gave away a million keys in other sites, I myself have like 4 keys (Gave away all in another forum). I got them like a week ago. No need to wait and HOPE I get a key here :P
Infact, I just finished playing the Beta myself for today, Awesome game. Im just saying that if they really wanted to CONTRIBUTE, They would give atleast a few free copies. Something around 20 orso right?
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Wow, we should have guest pass and demo giveaways too!
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Trying the game before its released. And thats enough! If you dont want it, do no enter! Simple as that!
Lol at the "reward". You think you are entitled to win free stuff from developers? Fuck you.
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You think you are entitled to win free stuff from developers? lol... and they get money with us (feedback = good game *final)...
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that at least you contributed to a better game when it's released? And they need money to live as you need it for the same reasons. Also you get your "reward" when they let you test the game for free. If you don't like beta giveaways you can always close/log off your account or block the website, then you will never see another beta giveaway at least from here.
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That's only a difference, users are not aallowed because they exploit the system with betas... devs no!
No they are using steamgifts to reach more people and find bugs, crashs and errors.
Not all the devs are greedy Ubisoft or Capsom, and most of the devs that giveaway here are small or new studios...
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"They OWN the game, They have UNLIMITED copies, Yet they only giveaway betas. Theyre just using SteamGifts as free advertising."
Um, are you stupid? Yes, they have "unlimited" copies. Guess how much money it took to make the game. How about you put yourself in their shoes instead of being an empty-headed greedy jerk..
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Id giveaway a few... Afterall, Nobody knows my game. I have a bunch, I know its good and Im probz gonna make profit from them.
Im not talking about giving a BUNCH of keys, But something like 20 orso? If you really wanna contribute, You GIFT something. You dont LOAN it.
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Guess what? They contribute more to this site than you will EVER do.
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And... That means?
I know that Ive given away 4 games. Not awesome games really, I admit but 4 small games.
What have the devs given away? 750 demos of a game. You play them less than a week before theyre gone. (I think you only get to play 2 days after giveaway ends & Then the beta is over? IDK)
While the people that I gave away my games to are hopefully enjoying them now, After WEEKS of getting them, People that got into the Beta wont be able to play anymore in a few days unless they buy it.
Dont get me wrong, Its great that they do it, But they could do MUCH MUCH MUCH better. If they really wanted to contribute they would giveaway even just a few copies.
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I'm quite sure that they pay SG for the advertisement, thus helping this site being online and running.
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Well, IDK about that but it doesnt seem like that to me :P
I think of it this way: Dev makes a game & Tells cg that they want to giveaway a few copies in SteamGifts. This is good for SteamGifts coz now theres new games that are being given away and good for the devs coz they are kind of advertising their games.
Ofcourse cg could also be charging them a fee for doing this but it would seem unfair. Theyre just giving away a bunch of games. The "Advertisement" is not in the deal, Its just a cause of such a big contribution :P
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Now, With that in mind maybe you could understand what I mean with the beta giveaways. With betas, Youre giving away ALOT of things, But things that can only be played for a small period of time. Youre not really contributing to anything, But youre still getting all the benefits from it.
TornBanner gave away 750 betas. 2Dawn gave away 50 GAMES. Both got the same "Benefits". Who do you think contributed more? I say 2Dawn.
Anyways, Someone mentioned that TornBanner said they would giveaway a few retail copies too? That wuld surely be nice (:
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Now, this is just a guess, but my guess would be that those developers out to get some free advertising by talking to the admins and setting up a deal? They probably had to get some permission and maybe even paid some cash to help fund the websites continued existence. So if you look at the rules, it talks about WHITELIST for certain beta keys. Consider a developer to have a limited whitelist to gift beta keys. Well within the confines of the rules as currently structured. You're whole argument for not having beta keys is that the rules say no. So if they add in (except developer giveaways) into the rules, you're fine with it? If so, you're an idiot.
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If we want full games only, then why is there such a high demand for DOTA 2 on both SG and ST?
And what's next? You're going to call out a gifter next time he gifts Sims 3 just because you hate Sims 3?
I just hope you step on a LEGO.
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Not a bad thing, But I think they could be doing much better. I appreciate the beta, Sure. But they dont WANT to contribute.
Giving away betas that will someday expire (And require you to play to keep playing) is like giving away a demo.
If you have unlimited games, Cmon... Give a few. Maybe only 10 or 20, Dont demo us. You know what I mean? :P
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I'd like you to know that I preordered the game... So no, Im not begging for it.
I already have the beta and I will have the game upon release. So no, I dont want them to give the game away FOR ME. I want them to give the actual game away for ANYONE to have a chance.
Anyways, Someone mentioned that they WILL be giving away a few copies of the actual game, So Im happy with that. An actual contribution :D
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People have different opinions; that's why we can have such debates. Grow up. Oh wow, I sound so much like a hypocrite now.
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I just hope you step on a LEGO.
Too far, man. Too far
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Man, i can't believe i only might be able to play that beta for more than 5 days.
They should hang the one that gives me 5 days of joy
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Haha! Wow some of you people are really pathetic.
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"We delivering the best final product possible!... and the reward?"
Wow............
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The only real issue I have with it is it counting towards these numbers: 161,558 Received Gifts / Received Gifts Valued at $2,141,102.32
Why? Unlike the other gifts on here these end up removed from the account and have an actual value of $0 (excepting ones that are beta+retail)
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Developers giving betas?...
This is kidding?
We (I) want full games, come on...
We delivering the best final product possible!... and the reward?
500 copies (Full) for 15,000 copies or more (Betas)... not bad!
They get money with us... (Feedback = Good Final Game)
... Sorry for my english
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