Thanks to everyone for your input. The build is postponed to the end of 2024/beginning of 2025.

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CPU: You can wait for i9-14900K which should be out until end of year but it is Raptor Lake Refresh which will only bring slightly higher clocks. Arrow Lake will be released near end of 2024 but I doubt you would wait for it.

RAM: You might go for higher speed memory

GPU: No RTX 5090 until 2025

Disk 1: You can go with PCI-E 4.0 NVMe like Samsung 990 Pro 2TB. PCI-E Gen5 drives are faster but due to high temperatures they are throttling speeds. DirectStorage is only available on NVMe drives in first M.2 slot (directly connected to CPU).

Other disks: Depending on usage, but you mnight go with additional NVMe drives for games and for data WD Black or WD Gold hard drives ( they have 5 years warranty).

Cooling: Go for 360mm AIO

PSU: You should be fine with 1kW ATX 3.0 PSU with Platinum or Titanium rating from Corsair or beQuiet .

Soundcard: Get USB DAC (USB sound card) if you really need one.

Regarding power hungry Intel CPUs, you can limit power consumption and max boost clocks in UEFI settings. Both Intel and AMD top CPUs comes factory overclocked near limits.
You shouldn't worry about PCI-E lanes with Raptor Lake CPUs. RTX 4090 is PCI-E 4.0 card anyway. Raptor Lake Refresh will bring more PCI-E lanes.
As for RTX 4090 pricing, well, you may opt out for cheaper GPU.

Regarding AMD CPUs, you should consider Ryzen 7000 X3D series.

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Thank you for your reply! Many helpful hints inside.

I used 5.1 with the PC in the past, but downgraded to 2.0 and an awesome headset, so I think I no longer need a physical soundcard due to the Realtek onboard chips getting better and better. Do you support this thought?

Basically, I am still sitting somewhere in the middle and have to wait to change everything to 4K AND PCIe 5.0, since even the 4090 isn't a PCIe 5.0 GPU. It looks like my current rig will break down "soonish", that's the problem, so I might have to buy an intermediate card and upgrade for the 5090 later (IF that card will be a PCIe 5.0 card).

Indeed, the 7000 X3D sounds like a superb CPU for gaming. There are just that little nagging worries in my head regarding compatibility and reliability.
And I do a lot of video editing, also, where the AMD CPU is slower than the Intel. Basically the Intel can do everything great while the X3D is better in gaming than the intel but a little worse in everything else, at least that's what I understood by reading some tests.

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If you won't need potentiometer for fine adjusting volume you can stick with onboard soundcard.

PCI-E 5.0 is overkill for desktop PCs at this moment. Unless you do 4K video editing with huge files you won't benefit from PCI-E 5.0 NVMe drives. And with RTX 4090 you should have 4K@60fps for next 2-3 years in most titles worth playing.

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I will stick to onboard, then, thank you.

I'm planning to reactive my YT channel and will do 4K video editing, so... yeah... ;)

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Just a quick question, why do you want your windows drive to be 2TB ?
Rather get a 250GB one and just use that for windows and a few select programs. Then get another NVMe drive for your games and such.

That way your keeping your windows fast, but also safe on it's own drive. As a SSD gets used its life span gets shortened (everytime you write to the SSD, so every update, download, deletion, or moving of files will cut its life down a bit, so if you're storing your games that you download, update, delete, and replace onto the same SSD then you will make it shit itself quite fast). Windows updates will already take quite a bit of the drives health off over time so yeh...

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I use a 256GB SSD at the moment and I have problems with space due to hiberfil.sys, pagefile.sys and gaming files that get installed on C:, although the game is on another physical disk. For windows, I will go for at least 1 TB of space. Maybe the 2 TB is overkill, tho.

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The bigger the SSD the more lifetime writes it has, so getting bigger would mean the drive would last longer. As long as you keep to just having windows and a few programs on it. Then the thing will live super long haha.

I get that those files can be big, but mines simply 16GB, which is fine. I think your problem might be that your root download folder for your browsers might still be set to your windows drive. And your Steam probably as well, while I prefer to have that on it's own drive making it very easy to just go on with my life if my windows drive crashes haha.

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No, I have Steam and everything else on different physical discs and use the SSD only for windows. RAM size is 16GB, so pagefile is set to 32GB max. Downloads are all happening on another physical disc.

It's really that so many programs install mandatory files on the Windows Drive although the programs itself are installed on another drive. For example, BG3 saves it's save files on C:, which atm make up 3.32GB of space on my drive. If you install (and deinstall) thousands upon thousands of games, there will be so much files on C:, it's ridiculous :-/

Thank you for trying to help, tho, it is appreciated :)

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Like I said 2TB is the price sweet spot right now. Don't let yourself influence by people who still spread info from the times where SSDs were in their infant stage. Today any SSD from a reputable brand will last you a decade or longer under normal use.
E,g, warranty of five years for a daily volume of 160 GB of data written is normal.

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I know :)
My Samsung SSD is working flawlessly since February 2015.

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Today's SSD drives are much more durable than first ones. You would need more than 5 years of normal usage to spent all write cycles.

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Basically you don't want AMD, but you don't like either Intel or Nvidia and hope that in the future they might be more like AMD.

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Hi, let me chip in for a bit and I’ve got just enough time for a small reply right now.
Research parts and builds on pcpartpicker. I used the site a lot and it helps with various things, height warnings of coolers which could collide with RAM height etc. It’s a great help. Also, I just searched for the CPU you think you want to use. First build that came up, is this https://pcpartpicker.com/b/3LHzK8
The case in that build is awesome, and I think that’s a good choice. I have the Meshify C in white and I love it.
Large Main storage is indeed useful. I wouldn’t go lower than 1 TB. In my Pc I only use SSDs but I have an external large Harddrive.
For SSDs I mostly use Samsung or Crucial.
Consider AMD. And lastly one more tip, don’t wait too long for certain parts. And no, you don’t need a bluraydrive. I have an external one and I have barely used it.

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Thank you for your input :)

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For Gaming only currently best CPU is Ryzen 7 7800x3d and AM5 platform will have 1-2 more generations of new CPUs to upgrade in future
This CPU reviews says always Fastest Gaming CPU tested also most efficient Air cooler will be more than enoght.
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d-cpu-review
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d/29.html
32GB Rams because this take few years before we need more
GPU RTX 4090 currently best
SSD Decent PCIE 4.0 4TB will be enough because games still not benefit much from bandwidth
HDD why ??? gamers no need it due how many different games can you play in one day ?
Power supply Seasonic simply due this brand always keep consistent top quality due they makes PSU in their own factories and not outsource productions.

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Thank you for your input :)
I don't use the PC for gaming only.

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If you want to buy it next year, then things may change in the next 6 months. Hard to judge into the future.

Some considerations:

  • new GPUs can be huge. Make sure to check if it will even fit. And you're pretty much certain to have to mount AiO at the top, many cases will not fit top end GPUs, not to mention GPU and AIO. Good start to check compatibility is PCPartPicker like mentioned above
  • In general the faster RAM the better, but at some point going higher has diminishing return. There are tips which speed is the sweet spot, based on which CPU you pick
  • NVidia is focusing more and more on the AI market, not consumer GPUs. We need to see how much they will push to release new GPUs "soon"
  • you know how many games you have installed. Unless you're the type that install everything, as long as there is some space left. Then, if funds allow, go for the biggest option. I would not buy HDDs at this point, as M2 is so much easier to just plug into the MOBO (and have HDD for backup copy 😅). But I also have 1.5 TB storage now, and it's enough for me. Plus each non-M2 disc is an extra set of SATA cable + power cable (depending on the PSU configuration)
  • it may be even problem to find a case with space for the disc drive. So it's not something you should worry about. 95% you will have case without spot, and need to buy external drive if you really need it. I thought I need surely buy an external disc drive after I put my PC together in 2020, and did not have a single time I'd even need to use it. Not to mention need to look into having one. But if you have media on DVDs or Blue-Ray then it would be useful. Also, pendrives are so cheap now, that I would be more likely to spend 6 pounds to buy 32GB and give it to someone, when I'd know I will not get it back. Then to buy drive and keep empty DVD-ROM around. Plus, they may not have the drive to read it 😂
  • with AiO 360 would be better, just make sure to see clearance between MOBO / GPU and case.
  • in general, sound cards on MOBO allow to play sound without squeaks, but they won't obviously be as good as good sound card.
  • Do you have cable internet, or it would be through WiFi? There are MOBOs with in-built WiFi card now that saves PCI-E slot. That may be even hard to reach depending on MOBO size (like mini-ATX) and huge GPU
  • motherboard with error code display would be IMO a should-have if you want to invest so much. Makes troubleshooting of errors way easier than generic "CPU / GPU / RAM" error LED. Unless you'd just go to IT service
  • I don't have much confidence in ASUS, but also understand it's hit-and-miss with products. Did not hear so many big "general" issues with other brands though
    Wrong CPU voltage settings on MOBO was supposedly void user warranty and burning CPUs
    Wrongly mounted component was causing MOBO to go on fire

I want the 4090, but I am not willing to support Nvidias price policy. Do you guys have any idea when the 5090 will release? Maybe then the price for the 4090 will drop

Good luck. NVidia knows people will buy their GPUs, no matter the price. They did drop it a bit after 4060Ti turned out to be so big disaster (the same performance as 3060Ti, 2 y/o card. But with frame generation, so you can have some duplicate frames at a expense of more lag. Yay.), and AMD released something in the mid-high end. They are still the best in the top market, so 5090 will only be more expensive (say 10% more pricey for 20% performance uplift, run and buy). And don't think they will make another mistake like with 40 series, when they had tons of unsold post-crypto 30 series lying around, to put some pressure on dropping old gen price before new release.

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Thank you for your input! :)

Things get complicated nowadays if you use the PC for everything, like in the good, old days. For examplse, regarding disc drives: I haven't touched by BR-drive in ages.

BUT: My PC is linked via home network to the living room. I love movies, but some movies you only get uncut within the USA. Those old DVDs, for example, are region locked for Europe. But VLC-player ignores the region lock and plays the movie anyways, so it is possible to: import a region locked movie from the USA, play it on the PC (Disc drive!) via VLC, stream the movie to the living room and enjoy it on my personal home theater.
Not possible without a disc drive and it sounds like most "manufacturers for gaming PCs" forget that those possibilites exist (re: no more space for disc drives in cases).

Oh, and I am old, so I still do have games on DVDs that aren't available on any digital store front there is. So without a disc drive, there's no possibility to play those games. Will I play those games? This is a whole 'nother question xD

For gaming, only cable internet! What is this sacrilege, gaming via Wi-Fi?! insert shocked noise here ;)

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I would recommmend AMD for the CPU. They hace improved enormously over Intel

"Do you guys have any idea when the 5090 will release?" same thing. Nvidia are good with their GPU, but just too expensive. Maybe pick up a AMD GPU. If you still want it, it's hard to say when. The 3090 was released Sep 24, 2020 and the 4090 Oct 12, 2022. So I assume in 2024.

Blue drive today is basically useless. People are consuming online.

For the drive, I would recommend a big HDD drive, at least 8TB just for storage, and a big SSD drive for the operating system and games.

RAM 32 minimum for a new computer.

About choosing each part, I would recommend pcpartpicker

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Thank you for your input

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CPU: wait for new models in 2024? the wait game is endless, unless they announce a release next month dont wait.
Motherboard: Intel Z790, I guess, depends on the CPU, but make sure it got enough slots for the stuff you want
RAM: (64 GiByte DDR5-6000-RAM, 2 Dual-Rank-DIMMs) looks nice, I guess nice
GPU: will there be a 5090 in 2024? nothing announced yet, could be 2025
Disk Drive 1 (Windows): PCIe 5.0 NVMe 1TB (2TB?). Which one? 1TB looks enough as you got loads of storage
Disk Drive 2 (Software): WD Black 1TB not really worth it, ssd is cheap enough these day
Disk Drive 3 (Big Games, maybe Direct Storage): PCIe 5.0 NVMe (4TB? 6TB? Which one? whatever, these are easy to upgrade as they get cheaper
Disk Drive 4 (HDD for all other games): WD Black 6TB (8TB?) so for storage only? you can get 12-16GB nas drives
Disk Drive 5 (Files): WD Black >= 6TB at this point you might want to invest in a NAS
Blu-Ray-Drive: Still need one today? Do we still need a burner today? depends, do you buy disks?
Cooling: But what size? 240mm? 360mm? how cool/quite do you want it? bigger is better but 280 is a sweet spot
PSU: beQuiet ATX 3.0. Already out? Which one? Wattage depends on the PC, with 4090gpu a 850w PSU is good
Case: I have no idea. . where will you place it? how big can it be? NZXT and Lian Li got some of the best
Soundcard: if its PCI it might not fit, and no you dont really need them. unless you are into this stuff

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Thank you for your input :)
I mentioned waiting for a new CPU because I have to make sure that the CPU supports enough PCIe 5.0 lanes. With the GPU and possibly 2 NVMes, that will be 24 lanes without slowing anything down. And afaik the current Intel only supports 20 lanes.

The big and fast HDD was meant for gaming. Huge games, like install size 140GB+, and games that need fast loading times, like MMORPGs, I wanted to install on a NVMe. Older and/or smaller games I wanted to install on a HDD. Since I always have quite a lot of games installed, I was going into the HDD route, tho I might change my habits and go the SSD route.

I am already using two Synology NAS's: One for syncing files of two PCs and as a private "Dropbox" for the household, another one as a media server in the living room (movies, FLACs).

Again, thank you for the valuable hints.

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If you aren't a content creator but just a run-of-the-mill gamer PCIe Gen4 M.2 NVME is plenty fast enough and cheaper. Additional boon: they don't get as hot as their PCIe Gen5 brethren.

At the moment 2TB size is the sweet spot price wise although the Crucial P3 Plus 4TB M.2 PCIe Gen4 NVMe is available for 170 Euro at Amazon and a steal considering the drive cost around 500 Euro a year ago.

I wouldn't buy HDDs any longer in 2023 if you're planning to use them for anything except as a data vault.

Concerning CPU and GPU I'm platform agnostic although I think something like the AMD Ryzen 7800X3D would be the ideal CPU for 4K gaming.

If you want the best of the best in GPUs there's no other choice but a RTX 4090. I'd consider an air cooled GPU because the water cooled ones are way overpriced on top of the already outrageous price of a 4090 (Asus announced recently a 3,100 USD MSRP water cooled 4090 but even the more "budget friendly" models are around 2k EUR/USD).

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I was and plan to again be a content creator :)

In the past, there were big differences between the manufacturers of GPUs. For example, you not only had to decide what GPU you want, you also had to decide what manufacturer you want. For example, you decided to get the GTX 970, Nvidias founders edition was always the slowest card and then you had custom manufacturers with big differences, performance wise, for their GTX 970 cards.
This seems to no longer be the case, is that right? Just go for any RTX card and don't add on the extra hassle to also differentiate between the manufacturers?

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That's not exactly the case. The same GPU doesn't mean the same build quality in respect to cooling performance, power delivery and so on. If you want an overview of the ins and outs of different models watch this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa4A12gQTHw&t=48s

As a content creator you might also prefer Intel 14th gen CPU as those are better in multithreaded tasks like video editing.

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I was purely talking about performance. Everything else of course is different, but that was not what I meant. I'll have a look at that video, thank you.

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Aha, well the 4090 is an overpriced, overengineered POS already. So if you don't plan to overclock any model will do probably.

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4090 is a beast of a card, but I swore to myself to not pay more than 1500 Euros for a GPU. That's my dilemma ^^ And yes, I am not planning on overclocking, so the video you linked helped

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the last pcs i build were almost amd only ... the only outlier was the 4000€ pc.

also what is your budget and where are you from ... prices are very different at other parts from the world.

also your best bet might be the fractal pop xl if you need a cage for the blu ray drive but beware, it is on the bottom so maybe consider putting it on the table.

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Thank you for your input!

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I see you already got a bunch of good replies, so the only things I can say is that you got a great build set up there and I'm jelly of the 4090.

As of having issues with amd nowadays, not as many but there are a few difficulties I've had that I could've avoided on a nvidia gpu. I also build a rig for my vr area and I used amd, it's working fine in terms of performance, but there have been compatibility issues. Like google earth in vr for whatever reason is making one eye go crazy on the index. I'm told to use a super old driver, but I'd rather use current drivers. Also, in the realms of ai generated images or videos, it's basically exclusive to nvidia. There are some options on amd, like running in into a cloud(basically running on nvidia), or converting all the files. which I did, but the performance was abysmal, even compared to like 4 generation older nvidias. There was no proper ui, modding, etc. at least last year. I gave up on that idea. So yes, expect some compatibility issues with amd vs nvidia.

Cpu wise, they're probably going to outdo intel soon as intels cpu structure has pretty much reached it's limits while amd has just unlocked theirs, but the one you picked wins so far :)

For a case I got the Fractal Design Torrent E-ATX(I didn't go for the led version as I didn't care, but it has one even in the standard version). Massive case, but it was the best ranking at the time for airflow since I'm doing air cooling. As for optical media, you can probably get an external usb one pretty cheap. It wont be fast, but a really good one that writes is like $200 I think.

Last thing, you said it's probably your last pc ever, why is that? If it is the last pc, maybe go with the upgraded options for storage for the nvme as chances are in a few years they'll already upgrade and start phasing out hardrives even more.

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Others have already said it, but i would like to remark that an internal HDD is a mistake. I had a couple reused from my last computer for almost a year, and they were a pain in the ass. Every time i entered on the explorer files there was a few seconds of delay because those disks were restarting.
If you need huge storage for other things than games and those things aren't used everyday, buy an external HDD with 8-16 TB.
If it's for gaming and older and smaller games, A couple of good ones of 2 TB, 1 for Windows and another for your most used games, and one or two not top notch like the Crucial P5 SSDs 4 TB for the rest of the games.
And the disk reader.. I don't have a disk reader since 2013. If you don't buy blurays or don't have them, it's unnecesary.

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Reconsider Ryzen 9 7950X3D can be cooled even by air cooler like Noctua D15
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i9-14900k/20.html
And here power usage vs 14900k in some extreme cases intel draw 200W more than counterpart.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i9-14900k/23.html
If your AC in home can cope with additional heat output intel is still a option.

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I was asked to post an Update.
Well, I have decided to wait until the RTX 5090 releases and build a PC around this card. So maybe end of 2024.

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This is probably a great decision as I doubt nvidia will be able to do major improvements after the 5090 as they did with with like 10x-40x for instance. I think from now on the % increase between generations will only decrease, and cards will only last more and more years. Although I wouldn't be surprised if they delay the 5090 into 2025 just to drag time due to this.

Are you going to get whatever top cpu is there at the time as well?

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Not to forget that NVIDIA now sees itself as a AI company and puts Gaming on the backfoot.
To answer your question: Yes, I will. The new rig has to last for approx. eight years or more.

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I think instead of buying a ridiculously priced halo product and using it for years and years when it's obsolete already it would be a better strategy to go for a more affordable mid-range (if you can call a 4080 super mid-range) solution now and upgrade after 3-5 years to a new product.
Thus you'll have more performance available on average.

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In every other situation I'd agree, in my special situation I take a different path.

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hum I just bought a refurbished pc for a fraction of the cost and have been thoroughly happy but I don't have a budget so guess my situation is quite different :o

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