FUCK THE GOVERMENT, LETS BURN THEM TO HELL

-wolfgang amadeus mozart

I don't really know which number I would stand on.
All I want is to be left to my own devices. Live in 0 with a population of just me...maybe one other person I really trust.
Though I know the higher number you choose the more you get bothered, what with the government telling you what to do.

chaos is just a higher form or order, but with that being said i am not a high enough being to comprehend a concept such as ture anarchy because of my life stlye

I do not think that freedom should be given up for an illusion of safety. Or at the very least, it shouldn't be in the hands of the government because they have some very wrong ideas on what will actually make us safer.

And for every freedom we give up to gain any amount of safety, real or imagined, it just opens the doors for more freedoms to be taken away and for the US to eventually become what the founding fathers came here to escape or worse.

Implying that safety means giving up freedom.
Creating one Sided Argument.
Eat a snail.

Give me freedom or give me death.

You cannot sacrifice for true safety. Just looking at any airport will tell you that. Security are regularly coming up with new safety measures, but that never seems to stop those that want to get in. If criminals want to get weapons or drugs on a plane, they are getting them on the plane. If terrorists want to hijack the plane, they will hijack the plane. You can try all you want, but there is no such thing as real safety.

Are you willing to sacrifice safety for freedom?
If you want a serious discussion, avoid biased questions. Also, steamgifts.com might not be the best place for this.

If you want my opinion: if by "freedom" you mean privacy, I don't care. Let the government hear my phone calls and read my emails, I have nothing to hide. As long as this data is used by police to prevent and solve cases (and not published on newspapers as it is right now in Italy, which is shameful), I'm fine with it.

This is an impossible question to ask when attached to a 0-10 scale, for a lot of reasons.

Also, from the FAQ:

"Please avoid creating topics for political discussion."

Make it impossible to have the freedom to work while under the influence of alcohol and drugs and I'd be a-o-k with that.

Anything else . . . no.

Of course not. Thats a really stupid thing to do.

I study politics, its my life.

In political science what youre talking about, its called the death by a thousand cuts, the process by which a democracy becomes one of the many forms of dictatorship.

Slowly and surely rights are stripped away, reasons may vary, security, national secrets, whatever. But the results are always the same. Made all the easier in america by the complete apathy towards all rights save for the second amendment, and the absolute lack of understand of how the system is built that leads you guys to blame en masse presidents that had nothing to do with certain issues just because they are the public face of the government.

TLDR no, its a really fucking stupid idea that leads nowhere good.

No. I feel safe already, and I´m not afraid of death (in the end we all die anyway). I'd rather die free than live in "chains".

Sacrificing freedom in the name of safety isn't worth it.

Not sacrificing freedom either!
Problem is: there isn´t much freedom left we could sacrifice. It´s all been taken away for centuries by idiots with more idiots behind them, taking everything from other idiots not fighting for their freedom.
And now, our children get born into a world, forcing upon them rules and obligations of the country they justhappen to be born in.

I would rather a combination of the two, where both are compromised but you get at least a little of both. That's about where we are. Although if I had my pick, I would take away the government monitoring everything...

• Not a lot
• No
• 6
• Yes, but not necessarily the best ones.
• Generally speaking, yes

Well, I´m generally not a person who commits crimes, no matter how small they are. I have have nothing to hide, so I don´t mind if I´m being watched when I´outside. It´s not like they´re taking notes on everything I do.
I guess in a way I´m not sacrificing freedom because surveillance isn´t keeping me from doing things I normally do

Q: Would you accept being monitored if that meant that you'd be safer?
A: No thanks, having someone keeps watching on every steps is more dangerous. It's OK for monitoring on the streets, but at home? Pffftt

no, i wouldn't be willing to give up freedom for safety..

Where's freedom when you're not safe? Or alive?

Something tells me it'll be best for the sake of my mental health, if I don't read anything in this thread, while simultaneously agreeing with absolutely everything that has and will ever be said in said thread. Now, I need to watch some Dexter. o/

I'd rather not have my credit card blocked every time I make a purchase on a new website, thank you credit card company, thank you.

there's a line between being monitored for safety, and being monitored for slavery.

i'm not really scared of being checked on, i'm scared by what can happen to my "data" when it isn't anymore useful for my safety.

thus, there is a way you can have both safety and freedom, it only depends on a proper legislation. using any bit of information you are entrusted to beyond the purpose of safety should be a heavily punished crime, one of those offenses that will ruin your life instead of that of your victim.

I heard and discussed this topic so much times last month and I need a little rest, so I'm going to be strait:

• Privacy is a human right, no matter who you are
• Some of us are sociable, others not, but normally, we in general, are sociable animals. Not because about chat and not being alone, it's because we need each other to survive.
• I think politics are not the perfect men for it, but it's the best we have. They should talk more with the people instead of their "professionals analyzers", to get all to a point of agreement.

IIRC, Benjamin Franklin said that: a society willing to give up some freedom for some sense of security, deserves neither.
That pretty much sums up my opinion on both USA and EU.
Plus, I think people responsible for current enormous growth of european bureaucracy should stand trial for their carelesness. Even though it may seem strange for someone working as a civil servant, I think we have three times too much laws and two times too much clerks. That also means, that today an average government clerk is doing 50% more work that one did five years ago, and it seems he will do twice as much by 2018. All for the same salary. Mine is unprodictive job in economical sense, but a necessary one (I'm responsible with recording and accounting of all road infrastructure in my district), but at the same time I see people in positions where they do nothing, just creating some formal papers with no meaning, and gossiping at the coffee cup for the rest of the day. I'd rather see more jobs in private sector instead. Together with the acerage I mentioned above it means for some people their responsibilities doubled in the past five years, and they haven't event got a one penny of raise all that time.