Moot since it can't be done officially: https://patreon.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/204199489-Can-I-offer-a-raffle-as-part-of-a-reward-tier-
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You are dedicated to being garbage, aren't you?
And have fun blacklisting every single entry from the giveaways who didnt do so .
No, just you.But people like you are one reason this place is getting worse every day.
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Im not obliged to care about people i dont know
There's a difference between caring about someone you don't know, and offering human sympathy for an SG acquaintance. Or, you know, not saying anything at all.
As you say, death is a part of all of our lives. It's best to act accordingly.
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He is using a completely unrelated argument to try and strenghten his comment here , which is literally retarded , so i just told him what i think about it .
No, it demonstrates the sort of person you are; rather, we have actually communicated on here before and I've even tried to be nice to you, helpful, and frankly refrained from replying to things you have posted in the way you replied above. I just reached my limit with you.
I mean ... i have cancer and i may be dead tomorrow ,
If that is true then you have my sympathies. I can offer no prayers since I don't live in a world of fairy tales and rainbows and am, therefore, quite unconvinced there is anything to hear said prayers.
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Since i dont want to start a drama here , i followed an advice from someone i learned to respect over the couple years here and got rid of my comments .
Here is what i have to say .
I am cancerous piece of shit in general , thats a fact many people here found out over that time .
And i do think i may have used some wording , due to my poor English at times , that may seem far to offensive . Its not what i was trying to do ... start a flame war or anything .
Its sux that people die , far to many people i know did ... but you cannot expect everyone to show you simphaty about the matter .
Yeah i entered your giveaway and didnt show my condolences about your late uncle , fuck me right . But then again dozens of other peopel did ... yet you pick in on , on me .
Im in a shitty situation myself , dont wana use it as an excuse , thats why only a few people actually know about that .... but thats why i didnt feel obliged to show any about a person i dont know either ....Anyway Rant is over , please respond once you read that in any form so i can delete it and aboid any furtur drama .
"What Drama Looks Like" for $400, Alex.
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Yeah you are actually retarded mate .
You are one of those people who feel obliged to jump on stuff completely unrelated to them and make shitty remarks .
Go fuck yourself , and i hope you get cancer 2.
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Owch:/ Is it time for a plot?
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Look, whatever horrible things he said, he's right about one thing. Pulling up something unrelated just to attack someone's character is petty. You do not have the high ground there.
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That falls a bit too much into "turning our community into a pay-to-win site".
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Sorry, that happened a long time ago when people were able to increase their CV with trading cheaper games from certain regions and then giving them away on here.
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One is paying to get higher levels. That's inevitable.
The other is paying to get access to more giveaways.
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The other is paying to get access to more giveaways.
To me it is like people paying for a game on kickstarter; backers who pay more get extra in-game goodies or characters or what have you. Personally I doubt I would donate more than a few shekels because I can barely afford the humble monthly right now and soon will be cancelling my subscription, but I am sure there are people with both the means and the interest to donate more. I see no harm in those people having access to rarer giveaways. It's the same as people in high-value GA groups on here, to me.
(It's moot since according to patreon rules one cannot offer a raffle as a reward, which giveaways certainly are.)
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Can't be done officially. https://patreon.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/204199489
But it will be another addition to the endless sgtools filters.
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I'm happy to donate money to the site one way or another, even directly if that's convenient. Would prefer not to have to create a Patreon account. Don't need any rewards, as long as you don't mind me using AdBlock. :P
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In fact, if you go the icon or profile color route, please make it optional. I don't want any of that stuff if I donate.
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Additional Statistics is something that should be available for everyone, though.
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Do you think users should also be able to disable this icon if they wish to donate anonymously?
i think the majority will be donating specifically for that icon, however i'm sure there still would be some that would prefer to remain anonymous. so it probably would be a good idea.
i can't come up with any suggestions though myself, i'm just not creative enough.
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How about the ability to change username more often in a year? xD
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The current suggestions seem solid. Additional stats are always fun and non-advantageous. Detailed statistics on your own giveaways would be nice, such as the levels of users who entered, their average entry rate, graph of entry frequency, etc.
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Will donators be able to post gleam.io giveaway links? Broken rules remains broken, even if you ignore them.
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I think this could be an interesting development, especially in regards to supporting the site. Maybe donators could be allowed to change their name potentially more than the normal once per year (without a support ticket),? Other than that, keeping it simple may be best to keep it as a strictly voluntary action. Donator tier icons could be a thing, but some people may not like that (some people could use it to brag or put down others).
And yes, the option to donate anonymously would be nice.
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I'm taking inspiration from other Patreon creators I'm following:
- A wall of fame
- Name something after them
- If the unofficial Discord server was turned official, you can even add Patron roles and other cosmetic changes (like name color changes lol).
And yeah, I think users should have the option to donate anonymously.
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How about the option for a different avatar than your steam one.
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? I synced just 2 days ago. But yes, it is a bit of hassle, but I was just trying to choose a new avatar. I made this one and synced, but then made some more. I am just saying it is already possible. But yes, it involves more than 1 click.
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Scrap.tf offers to donors the option to put a gif as a profile picture instead of a picture. ;P
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The only downside is that we don't see it when the phone app gets the notification first.
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I'd take it as the donator will be able to customize a winning gif to his GAs, so that winners of his GA will see his customized gif ?
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assuming only i can see my win gif. i would love mine to be of goatse
lmao
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Something to do with avatar like custom one or GIF avatar is nice.
Take Dota 2 Battle Pass for example. Battle Pass buyer will have color edge around his profile picture and indicator what level he is at. Maybe add the custom message/patreon tier on donator profile page similar to Steam custom profile holiday sale auction.
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- Possibility to post a giveaway as a featured one? Like have it be pinned for 6-12 hours.
- Extended points. Say from 300 to 350-400?
- Cover photo on profile - Like a custom background image but only in the header area - Just the area behind the text and within the image
- Custom point values for entering games. Max would be 100-150
- A hype squad of sorts. Kinda what Discord does. Have a group of members who help test and theorize new features. I think Discord also had the hype squad help with some ToS or rules of sorts.
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extended points would be awesome. and i dont see it as giving an "advantage"
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person A only being allowed to join 'x' giveaways before they run out of points, but person B is allowed to join 'x' giveaways + 'x more' doesn't sound advantageous to you?
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still doesnt . if they get on often enough. everyone gets the same amount of points no matter what. just dont let your cap hit 300 lol
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exactly.
just dont let your cap hit 300
is what everyone should be concerned with. or...
Extended points.
for everyone. otherwise it is in fact advantageous as you just pointed out with a "if they get on often enough".
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Increased SG Support response time?
Priority support?
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Hahaha, I hope you're joking.
They're volunteering their time, the Support Staff doesn't get paid.
Although they could use some of the Patreon support (if any) to hire a full time Support Member who answers tickets in a timely manner.
If ever a job like that were to happen, I'd be awesome for it.
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Anyone would want to be support due to it being paid. It would almost be better to use in house support as it is. From there, they could do shifts and be paid on a per ticket basis. Some of the tickets are already automated for the more simple things.
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I have a 3 week old ticket that still hasn't been answered, I'd really like paid support users.
I found a user who is possibly using multiple accounts or exploiting the site like others have in the past.
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The exploit is really bad. Hopefully that can be resolved.
As for your ticket, I am not sure how you would go about trying to get it looked at. I could see about asking "someone".
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I have bad info for you mate :(
I would love to see support members who get paid. I think it'd be a big difference even with just 1 support member who gets paid for his/her work. I'd love to be one actually :) Oh, the dream... :P
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"I waited for you Fry"
Seriously....two years? We really need someone who gets paid to answer support tickets.
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Yes, created 17th november 2014, respond october 30th 2016. I started bumping after 1 year though. Some people say it doesn't help but I'm positive that that might've resulted in a faster response.
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I wouldn't change the priority of support for anything that's currently being handled (e.g. rerolls), but it would be nice to be able to get responses for tickets that are in categories that don't get attention (e.g. Support\Other). I have a ticket with this simple question open for 7 months:
Is it ok to use follx.com for giving games that can't be given on SG?
I want to give games that were given as free before and SG doesn't support it. Is it ok to use follx.com invite-only GAs for this and post the link on SG?
Thanks!
It would be great if donors would get such tickets answered :-)
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It would be great if donors would get such tickets answered :-)
Then that'd fall under pay-to-play (wherein content or features are locked behind a paywall) rather than pay-to-win (where a noticeable competitive advantage is derived from payments). Either approach is going to limit basic user features, in favor of.. well, SG Premium (which apparently is no longer a joke).
If you meant answered faster, I suppose that pushes it back to pay-to-win (depending on your perspective of what that should cover)- but I'm not sure complaining over lack of prioritization is really worth much concern unless it noticeably hinders reply to non-premium support tickets, so the labeling may not especially matter.
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- Ability to change nickname on SG more often.
- Donator only subforum.
- Support for that goddamn Steam Trades (no I'm not joking).
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Donator only subforum. // to posting 'ELITE' hidden ga links?
....how pathetic
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Elite GA links have been here since forever, and it's not what I meant. Pathetic or not it is up to him Site Owner.
And plenty of forums include the feature for donation package.
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hey buddy no one ask your money (to donate or something else)
this a steamgift community - to giveaway things.
if you dont want to give away - just, try purchase a elite membership elsewhere.
bhaaaa also, bl me. what a twist.
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You're just being annoying, that's all. This is suggestion thread, if you just want to argue bring it up elsewhere as this thread isn't for that. And BL isn't meant to stop you from entering my GA, it's none to begin with. It's for different purpose.
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The most pathetic thing is that he has no interest in giving away. Only gave once to farm level 1. It's willing to give money and leech than upgrade their level.
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Given the amount of drama that already goes on here with people thinking that some are better than others, I think it would be best to not have any status symbol associated with donating. I don't really have money to donate, but if I did, I wouldn't want a symbol next to my name flaunting it.
Edit: It really doesn't matter to me though because I don't get involved in the drama and having a symbol next to the users names will definitely make the site more money. There is a large number of people that will send money not because they want to help the site, but because they "need" that symbol next to their name.
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I was being sarcastic...
Of course it isn't. And I'd be willing to bet it doesn't stop at bandwidth and servers, and that, taking into consideration all the traffic SG gets, cg probably makes a comfortable living out of it...
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He has gone on record before stating that the site hardly makes any money, anything leftover is typically used for giveaways. Cg runs the site as a hobby.
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the site hardly makes any money
I would have believed that a few years ago. I'm not sure it remains that way.
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Why, exactly? Yes the population is a bit larger, but a significant portion use AdBlock. Beyond referral links, I'm not sure where you believe this extra revenue is coming from.
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Personally, I'd rather ads be kept. Only two banners per page, and they've been actually useful a couple of times, at least to me.
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Thats great that they have been useful. But unfortunately a lot of people have ad-blockers or do not find the majority of ads useful. In my opinion this is a great way to gain that loss in revenue.
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Profile colors! YES!!
curiously, is this if you donate to patron in general or does it have to be advertised here first? And I like the idea where people can be anonymous if they want. :3
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Beside things already mentioned (ofc good ones, not more points or support priority), some fun stuff:
- Ability to trigger space cat gif whenever you want. Maybe ability to trigger special sppace cats like valentines day cat or sg bday cat.
- Additional formatting.options. 5-10 special emoticons users can use in discussions if they are a donator.
- Maybe some fun non-invasive social functions? Like option to poke user, or to react to comment.
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Pretty much what adam did. I csn already write commentto you saying poke/stab, i can already reply to you saying wow, good idea, +1, so nothing changes beside fact of instead writing a comment having havong a button that does the same.in some fun way while not generating anything that is not already present on forums.
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The first two look good, not sure how easy the third will be to implement but might be nice.
Being notified by custom win gif that it's your cake day would be pretty good lol.
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🎁 What kind of special emoticons did you have in mind? 🎁
🚽 Aren't the emojis enough? 💩
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Emojia you posted can be used by anyone, I meant having 5-10 unique emojis incorporated into forum formatting which could be used by patrons only. Have them unique and SG-themed like spacecat emoji for example, but most important have a set of emojis unique to patrons.
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One most requested feature on the site that might be worth looking into if people pay for it:
Finding out who blacklisted you, so you can ask them why.
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But you need a PM for that? Many people (but not all) don't take it kindly when a stranger suddenly ask on the Steam profile.
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I recently had a user add me on Steam and calmly asked about me blacklisting him. We had a pretty lengthy discussion at the end of which I unblacklisted him.
So it does work if you just ask.
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Some people even if you asked them they usually don't answer
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Isn't the site already segregated and elitist enough without having paid giveaways?
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Higher level giveaways are also paid giveaways with their multiple thousand$ CV ranges
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I think the difference comes in where you are flat out paying for a giveaway.
The other is being awarded for giving to others, not the site itself.
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I'm not encouraging it, but if we go with the general "just be a patron" requirement you can throw a buck there, or buy a bundle with shovelware from IG and make giveaways so people will farm the cards. At least the first one makes the site function, while the second one has no value for the games - it's like CV for cards. From the giver's side they are paying to get better stuff at the site, it would be naive to ignore levels when it comes to paying money to get more out of the site.
But just to be clear: I hope there will be no options to make giveaways for patrons, and SGTools won't involve patron state or levels. Maybe, MAYBE if there's such a surplus money, then CG-made giveaways, but in a 4 community-1patron ratio (same quality) - zero, or the least possible financial gain for patrons.
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But do you not worry about the site not being about gifting as much and more about just giving money to the site itself.
A lot of people will probably opt for the Patreon giveaways and not just buy the $1 bundles to give away anymore.
If I were to give to Patreon, even if it was just a $1 tier (which I doubt, probably more like $5), then I wouldn't give as much. It's just a fact, but that's only me. I don't have the disposable income for both and so it's one or the other and selfishly I'd choose the option that'd give me a higher chance to get a "return on investment".
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A lot of people will probably opt for the Patreon giveaways and not just buy the $1 bundles to give away anymore.
why? cg said there will be no advantages like you are thinking of.
I would like to exclude any rewards that would give users an unfair advantage, such as a higher chance of winning, or more points.
what "return on investment" could you possibly be talking about if users don't get an unfair advantage?
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Plus Patreon already has a no gambling rule, you're not really allowed to do random giveaways. So I mean there's that.
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Interesting. Had to look it up:
Can I Offer A Raffle As Part Of A Reward Tier?
We love surprises. But unfortunately we don't allow reward tiers that involve raffles, giveaways, or "chances-to-win." The reason for this is to better protect the patron community as well as to make sure we are in accordance with state gambling laws.
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aye, I'm a creator so I read the FAQ ages ago, just thought I'd throw my two cents in before people got worked up about there maybe being a giveaway or something of the sort.
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...This whole comment chain was that...
Veebles suggested Patreons as a "who can enter" filter, which he later crossed out.
Adam1224 drew parallels between the CV system and the hypothetical Patreon system.
I gave him a reason why they're not equal and why a system like this would be bad.
I have literally no clue why you're saying what you're saying.
CG said that there won't be advantages, meaning that there won't be a "Patreon only requirement" for giveaways.
I'm talking about a hypothetical, like Adam1224 did.
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oh, i misread that last sentence about return investment.
but i'm still genuinely just not following what you mean on this sentence>
"A lot of people will probably opt for the Patreon giveaways and not just buy the $1 bundles to give away anymore."
why would people go with the non-advantageous route over the advantageous one?
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Well, if you had the two options:
- Make giveaways and get CV slowly, with the goal of getting a new level, granting you access to more exclusive giveaways, or...
- Just pay monthly and immediately gain access to more giveaways.
...then I'd guess that more people would choose the easier route. I, personally, would have to give a total of $1000 worth of games away to get access to more giveaways (to get to level 8, to be precise).
If I gave a flat $5 or whatever it'd be per month, I'd be getting access to those "Patreon only" giveaways.
I wouldn't have to contribute the $100 minimum (if the Humble Monthlies would have the same value as the XCOM one).
More giveaways means more possible wins. That's what I meant. Hopefully I managed to be more clear than the weather in that Silent Hill town. :D
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2, won't happen.
there is no comparison there.
it would be...
- Make giveaways and get CV slowly, with the goal of getting a new level, granting you access to more exclusive giveaways, or...
- Just pay monthly and immediately gain cosmetics and an icon.
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No, you're misunderstanding.
It's a hypothetical. Adam1224 drew parallels between the CV system and the hypothetical Patreon system. That Patreon system being the originally proposed exclusive giveaway system.
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I think removing ads is enough reward (and even maybe it should be for all users, not just patreons)
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Hmm... could be one of the browser plugins I use, but I've never seem any ads on this website ;)
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yes, but whether you see them or not they are still loading. patreon ad removal will remove them before they even get to you, so loadtimes would be slightly faster, and performance also slightly better. adblockers still attempt to load all those requests but blocks it, so there's some extra work and loading done there.
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I like the idea of a yearly or monthly goal which, once reached, removes ads for all users (until the end of the month, year, whatever)
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This should be available to all not just patreons ;p
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If this gonna happen, the only way to "protect" the API spam is using API key
Of course admin don't want to see thousand random people using those API to DDoS server, so Patreon is good way to do that since it will act as "barrier"
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Actually, making the API public should help on reducing the server load.
Without API, most requests will just crawl the entire webpage, making it waste even more server resources.
And also, one does not need an API to DDoS a server.
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I never know about it before
Thanks for the explanation.. :D
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as explained below it would not really create more server load than scripts that alkready exist and which load every page full to scrap a little data. Also while I am all in for having fun/cosmetic rewards for patreons, things that affect site functionality (especially ones that affect it in a massive way) should be accessible to all users not just premium members. HAving access to API would mean posisbility of having much much better scripts/addons, much faster, less buggy, giving much more options. Having small number of paying community having access to these awesome things while denying them from all other users would be very unfair and would deeply divide community. In time probably all useful scripts would rely on API, thus if you wanted to have a better SG experience like you are having now using all your great scripts you'd have to pay, which is a big no-no.
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- Personal stats: Graphs to show how many tickets a person submitted, and how many of them were denied for whatever reason. Or separate ones: approved and denied. (This is actually more like a general suggestion. Along with adding another graph to the Giveaways, number of region-locked and not region locked giveaways each month, akin to the bundled/not bundled one. After all, the numbers should be in the similar range.)
- Discount in the SG Premium™ store. =)
- More customisable profile page like font colour, maybe style, and with the ability to upload own backgrounds, if needed.
- Ability to hide donator status entirely.
- The ability to "pin" certain giveaways to own profile page until it ends, so not necessarily the one that starts the latest/ends the soonest is on top.
- Donator subforum, preferably with a "please don't post invite-only giveaways here" suggestion.
- The ability to use a special gif for anyone who wins from the donator (with some control, of course, so people won't upload inappropriate material).
Edit:
Oh, yes, one post below reminded me:
- The ability to turn on captchas for entering user's giveaways.
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Those are some really nice ideas. Especially the custom styles and pinning a giveaway :D
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Your suggestions mirror some of mine, damn me for not reading the responses thoroughly!
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I'm voting against Captchas. So tired of Clicking "I'm not a robot" and still being forced to solve one.
The original purpose of those was to make sure you weren't a robot by only showing them to users with a high activity rate.
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Hey everyone, a Patreon campaign for SG is in development, which will also allow users to link their Patreon account to our site to redeem rewards. A lot of the code is already up and running for early testing, and ideally it'll be ready to go live in June or July. The difficult part right now is coming up with rewards, which is why I wanted to reach out for suggestions.
We obviously do not want to turn our community into a pay-to-win site, so I would like to exclude any rewards that would give users an unfair advantage, such as a higher chance of winning, or more points. On the list of user rewards so far we have...
Other suggestions that have come up...
Thanks for ideas!
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