I hope this won't make two groups of people, the ones who pay and the ones who doesn't. Maybe making the elitism official it's a good thing.
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Pretty much, yes, but as big advocate of SGTools and a very-likely Patreon donor I pledge I'll never use it.
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I think it would create bad vibe against SGTools, much more than what we currently see. Since I care about SGTools and find it super useful as it is today, I wouldn't want to see or contribute to any ensuing drama that this will inevitably lead to.
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lets say i don't support a prestige status inside communities just because you can gift money... some things should be available for everyone...
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and extra patreon only functions won't cause a prestige status?
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depands on the features... i think some usefull stuff would be worth a monthly tip...
but i don't like this payed cosmetic idea... nothing against a small donator badge, but the profile stuff should be available to everyone, at least for people that have spend 1$ on a tip or made it to Level 1 or 2 ... :)
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honestly i'm kind of the opposite. the cosmetics are imo fairly harmless, but adding locked down features that only patreon users have access to, feels to me like those who don't donate aren't worthy of any further site advancements.
take payday 2 dlc's for example.. you got the harmless and worthless mask dlcs given for free on hb that give no benifit, but then you got the $3.99 weapon mod pack that hinders your gameplay if you don't own it.
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to be honest, i don't know what funtion i would pay for on this site... :P
costum winner pics as small extra maybe, because i could imagine this would cost alot space if it would be free...
things like payed search functions are a nogo for me too...
EDIT: haha payday - devs and pubs are good capitalists...:'D
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i'm not honestly sure if i'm for, against, or just plain indifferent about the entire concept. i understand cg's want for it, but i think i'd much prefer just a plain old "donate" button without any benefits. not saying i won't partake in whatever is done, cause chances are i will at least a little. but i think the "sg premium" jokes got taken a little too far for this to happen. ^^
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- On the community wishlist page, add a "Patreon donor wishlist" filter/stat
- Ability to remove the "logout" button for donors :D
- A "thank you" note with a key for Bad Rats 2, signed by cg sent to donors postal address
On the other hand, I don't like the idea to have a closed forum for donors, though some invite only groups are bound to pop up for "verified donors".
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We obviously do not want to turn our community into a pay-to-win site
sgtools will end up doing it for you.
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How do you mean that?
(Not that basic levels aren't already a form of p2w)
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There will be giveaways for those who donate only. Even if cg does not intentionally give them an advantage. It will be a simple addition to sgtools filters.
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Just found the following on the Patreon site:
Can I Offer A Raffle As Part Of A Reward Tier?
We love surprises. But unfortunately we don't allow reward tiers that involve raffles, giveaways, or "chances-to-win." The reason for this is to better protect the patron community as well as to make sure we are in accordance with state gambling laws.
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still I believe this will not count. On SG anyone can make GA for anyone. What this point means for me at least is that cg will not be allowed to make Patreon only GAs, but how are you going to stop 3rd party website (may be SGT, but may as well be anyone else creating a 3rd party) from adding such a rulecheck? Or even simpler - you invite all patrons to your WL or to your group and make group/WL GAs. While we ofc don't want official GAs for dpatrons we can hardly prohibit everyone from not making such GAs if they feel like it. I know I surely would not, but I bet there will be lots of smartasses who will assume "oh, this guy is a patron, it must mean he has loads of money, I will WL all them rich patrons to my WL, make some GAs and hope that they return WL so I can win stuff from them". It is not direct reward, but it is indirect. And it will surely happen as proven by happening in the past (ppl making forum threads where they say they will WL ppl with big CV, and then they ask for WL back, if it happened with CV levels it will also happen with patrons)
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I was not implying that it covered 3rd parties. I know what it's for.
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Please give the option to turn off any visible reward - icon, coloured profile picture and such. I'm sure some people would only like to give to help the site, not to look any better.
Maybe... change the grey colour of the points-counter on the top right to gold or something? :D Small visual change that would go quite well with the SG Gold jokes and such
and please a petting zoo with the mods, or a private dinner with a staff of one's choice for higher tiers :D
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I would gladly donate for the right to use inline images, even if only in opening posts.
Another one which would get my money would be An option to search own forum posts and giveaway comments.
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basic features that should be there since long, oh well
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+1. This is the only discussion forum I've ever seen where you can't view your own post history.
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I disagree, patreon rewards should be fun/cosmetic stuff only. Actual website functionalities, which are wanted, needed and oftren requested by users in the past should not be hidden behind any form of paywall, if they got implemented these should be accessble to all.
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I couldn't care less about cosmetic features and don't see much fun in them. A glimpse at my Steam profile will tell you all that you need to know ;-)
I also don't mind that these features will be available to all. What I'm looking for is a way to convince cg to implement features that I personally really need. If it means donating some money, I'll gladly do that.
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I do mind that these features should be available to all ;) Even if I'm going to be a patron myself for sure. But these are basic website functionalities. PAtreon should be for ppl who feel like donating, not should force to donate to be able to use basic website features ;p
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I'm not sure how many would feel like donating if there's nothing in it for them. In my case, what's in it for me is what you consider a basic site feature, and what I have practically given up on ever seeing implemented. The ability to donate opens a glimmer of hope that I'll be able to influence this. We'll soon see if where cg is headed with this.
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If only incentive for you to donate is to get stuff you need, you should not donate. If you feel the community/website is great and cg deserves money from you, you should donate then, not donating to get stuff. And I'm sure there will be people who would donate even without getting anything in return - ppl asked for PP donations for years asking for nothing in return, just to makle servers run better (in time when SG was very laggy), or for just having ads removed and nothing more.
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I think I'll take the decision myself whether to donate or not, thank you very much.
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the problem with that is 75% of the suggestions in here have nothing to do with patreon, and are rather site suggestions instead. xD
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that's true, but cg doesn't ask for suggestions very often so he gets them in his inbox :P
Also, I could see the patrons becoming a testing ground for new features - implementing them for a week/month, deactivating them + asking for feedback and possible exploits to fix them before they go live for everyone ...
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anyone can message him on the change-log and suggest anything directly to his inbox there. ^^
or create a suggestion/bug topic for it, since it's pretty apparent he does actually read thru those occasionally and takes some of those suggestions very serious and implements some of them. xD
hell my suggestion for mods to get a hair more power to do moderation work was taken from a reroll support ticket and implemented even. :P
edit: in fact on my ticket suggestion the moderator that replied said "i think not" to my suggestion, but when cg got to the ticket, he apparently thought "i think so" and implemented it less then a week later. ^^
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of course, but here he specifically asked for suggestions, even if quite a few go farther than he probably meant (who knows, maybe he's got half of this stuff ready to roll out over the next few months already and is just looking for confirmation now on what's still wanted/what's more "urgent")
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he specifically asked for patreon reward suggestions. xD
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like I said, quite a few suggestions went farther than intended, even people specifically suggesting pay-to-win features despite cg excluding those ... but yeah, if I had something I really wanted to see on the site, and there had been countless threads about it to no avail, I'd use this chance to maybe get heard :P
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How about functionalities exclusive to patrons for limited time only?
- A functionality will be patron exclusive for x months and then will be available for all.
Not sure if this sounds like early access or beta
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not really sure about that, first of all some functionalities may give some kind of advantage. Maybe not in means of winning stuff, but even having access to some data others don't have access to is already some kind of advantage. Also I'm afraid it would change Patreon into paid beta program, resulting in postponing giving access to nice features to all until you have sopmething else to propose to patrons. Look at it this way - there's a new nice feature available to patrons only, so ppl donate to have access to it, but the moment you give access to all members, ppl have no need to be subscribed anymore, so they unsubscribe. You'd have to offer new nice beta feature in replacement to keep them subscribed. And what if you don't have it prepared yet? You either risk losing subscription if you move feature to all members, because taught ppl they get exclusive stuff, when there's none they will quit, or you purposefuly delay giving feature to all members, even if it's already done, no beta needed anymore, but you keep it in beta to keep your patrons subscribed.
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People will start to make group for people paying SG if there is any sort of change visible on a profile/next to a name, hence pay-to-win anyway ¯_(ツ)_/¯
No ads could be cool, it's how a majority of website deals with the tippers.
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more points for entering giveaways - or the chance to enter the same giveaway more than once (costing the same amount of pints) eg: 8 point game = 2 enters for 16p etc....
We obviously do not want to turn our community into a pay-to-win site, so I would like to exclude any rewards that would give users an unfair advantage, such as a higher chance of winning, or more points.
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Ah, sorry. I read too quickly and got it the other way. I wouldn't mind seeing it, but it didn't offer much functionality, so don't miss it myself.
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removed =/= hidden though. :P
but still yeah i get what you mean.. bring it back, but only for patreons.
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I agree with your current ideas and reflections.
Apparently, minimum pledge is $1 on Patreon.
So here, my suggestions as a starting base for perks levels, of course pledge amounts are pure suggestions, with a focus to convert users at entry pledge, with good incentives for higher perks :
Monthly pledges :
- $1
- Option to disable advertising
- Option to display $1 Donator Status beside username (with one given emote or image, dolphin, tiger, from mythologies, astrology or whatever)
- Option to decide where to activate Donator status : forum/profile/giveaway listing/group membership
- Option to display pixel border color for their avatar (everywhere on website), custom color
- Option to display (same) border colored avatar on their profile page
- Option to add social accounts in their profile page (twitter/facebook/instagram/mastodon/pinterest/vk/qq/steamgroup...)
- $2
- All previous perks
- Option to display $2 Donator Status beside username (with a given emote or image)
- Option to change profile color banner background, and text color
- Option to add a short custom user title in their profile banner (25 chars)
- $3
- All previous perks
- Option to display $3 Donator Status beside username (with a given emote or image)
- Option to change border radius of their avatar in their profile page (0-30 pixels)
- Option to add a small text/headline/subtitle in their profile banner. (144 chars)
- $5
- All previous perks
- Option to display $5 Donator Status beside username (with a given emote or image) + one additional Donator Status emote (total of 5 available Donator Status emotes to choose from)
- Option to display Custom Win Gifs
- Option to display a custom image background for their profile banner
- $10
- All previous perks
- Option to display $10 Donator Status beside username (with a given emote or image) + four additional Donator Status emotes (total of 10 available Donator Status emotes to choose from)
- Option to replace Steam avatar picture with custom pic and gif (with max file size in mind)
- $15
- All previous perks
- Option to display $15 Donator Status beside username (with a given emote or image) + four additional Donator Status emotes (total of 15 available Donator Status emotes to choose from)
- $20
- All previous perks
- Option to display $20 Donator Status beside username (with a given emote or image) + four additional Donator Status emotes (total of 20 available Donator Status emotes to choose from)
Also additionally, useful for communities or groups (and authorized sellers) :
- $50
- Option to display $50 Donator Status beside username (with a given emote or image)
- Option to be displayed in special Sponsor page in Iron Sponsorship level with page name + link to user website/store/etc
- Option to display the sponsoring user account name (with link to profile page) beside user website link.
- Option to display ONE social account link beside username (icon picked from respective social networks)
- $100
- Option to display $100 Donator Status beside username (with a given emote or image)
- Option to be displayed in special Sponsor page in Bronze Sponsorship level with banner + page name + custom link to user website/store/etc
- Option to replace social account link beside username with custom user webpage link (icon picked from website fav icon)
- $200
- Option to display $200 Donator Status beside username (with a given emote or image)
- Option to be displayed in special Sponsor page in Silver Sponsorship level with banner + page name + custom link to user website/store/etc
- $350
- Option to display $350 Donator Status beside username (with a given emote or image)
- Option to be displayed in special Sponsor page in Gold Sponsorship level with bigger banner + page name + custom link to user website/store/etc
- $500
- Option to display $500 Donator Status beside username (with a given emote or image)
- Option to be displayed in special Sponsor page in Platinium Sponsorship level with even bigger banner + page name + custom link to user website/store/etc
One-time pledges :
- $1 Refresh/change username earlier, once.
- $10+ Lifetime perks. Price = Monthly pledge * 24.
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Option to change border radius of their avatar in their profile page (0-30 pixels)
Do you know how 30 pixels look like?
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Thanks for reading :-)
It would be more like this :
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+1 for the small text addition! Allot of perks though, I'd simplify it a bit. Kudo's for the hard work though. :)
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Ability to edit your profile a la Discord would be good, with different headers you can unlock, different profile themes to unlock.
Extended everythings, large whitelist, blacklist, giveaway slots, keep points at 300 to not ruin economy of the site.
Patreon forum, for supporters only.
State of SG Blog updates from yourself addressing Patreon backers fears once a month in a Q & A style thing.
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Thanks for the response!
I personally wouldnt use whitelist/blacklist extension however I've seen enough request it in my time to believe it would get used.
I'd see the forum mainly used for more Patreon suggestions, for CG to post a Patreon blog type post and a monthly/quarterly Q & A session. It would just be an additional section on the existing forums.
Edit: oh and of course, an option for all of this to be switched off and remain anonymous.
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Will add to this in a separate post as more ideas arise, on the "more stats" idea, can we get more of the SG tools stats for us and us alone on our profiles. I'd like to see "real CV", a breakdown of bundled to non-bundled, region locked etc for myself. To avoid elitism this should be available for ourselves only on the stats screen with our blacklist/whitelist, commemts and level stats.
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Custom Win Gifs: This would allow a user to choose a custom image for their winners to see, instead of Space Cat, when they win a game.
The possibility to keep the space cat even if one has donated. ^^
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Honestly, I think you should start slow. Leave space for expansion later. Maybe
- $1 ads disabled
- $3 colored edge around avatar + previous
- $5 custom profile header + previous
and that's it. If you expect people would like to donate more, then add maybe 2 more special levels for 20 and 50 a month but am not sure what to "give back" to those angels.
Maybe create a poll first and see what amount a money people would be able to donate per month, so you know what tiers to create?
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Agreed, keep it small. I'm really disliking the kind of suggestions being posted here, such as features that actually affect the website's functionality (extra features like more comment formatting, additional stats, etc).
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custom winner gifs sound awesome :D
I personally don't care about ads (don't use an adblocker, just tune them out/ignore them), so it would be great if there were different reward choices at the same tier, maybe a combination of rewards at higher tiers. Also not sure I'd want a permament coin/symbol next to my name if I chose to donate, so that being optional would be good
Also, maybe an info box for your profile or something? Limited to 150 characters or so, nothing big.
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I don't think I will be able to donate a lot but that's great idea. I have always thought you need to make some money, at least enough for your work. I believe there are much more people who are thinking like me and will enjoy helping you all.
Suggestion: You can give priority to donators in support tickets.
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Donors should be able to:
1) Put gifs as profiles pictures (Scrap.tf does that already).
2) Test new changes to the site first and give feedback about them in a survey form (everyone should be able to give feedback obviously, but I'm just saying that they will be able to do it first).
3) Join a steam group just for them.
4) Get achiemevents and pins.
5) Their name in a hall of fame.
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+1 for testing new changes and provide feedback. I'm ok with the others, but don't personally find them appealing.
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They're not appealing to me too, but well, people are different. Some like achievements, some like being in a hall of fame, some like gifts as profile pictures, etc.
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IF you read my suggestions please do give honest opinion whether you agree or not
NotFOODforThought
My MAIN suggestion / question to make it only 1 tier so that its fair to all donators, if you want to pay more just go ahead but with no extra rewards. Also if its possible help Steamtrades make a mod system? Haven't been here long so idk why Steamtrades isn't part of your guys jurisdiction anymore.
My Donation Suggestions that i haven't seen (Editing along as i think of more)
1) Make it possible to change the website background to dark instead of white , it hurts when you keep trying to focus on small words during night time :P
2) Add a whitelisted tab, which means you see exclusive whitelisted users giftaways. (No idea is this even useful given that there is groups)
3) Have a extra system of something called FATT? (just some abbreviation, no offense) (Means if you added someone on FATT, their GA's will be forever at the top of your SG page until its over, something like recommended but with people you choose to add.)
4) Able to not see the giftaways anymore that you have already entered on main page, still able to see in your "view entered". Purpose is to see if anything new that you want pops up without seeing entered ones instead of scrolling through the ones you already entered. (Contradicts my above point but you will think something out if my suggestion is even considered :D)
5) Add donation perk on Enchanced steam? Just like steamrep and enchanced steam donators
6) Ability to redo giftaways that they have already done in the past, which means they do not have to retype all the details of the giftaway once more, just adding steam key/steam gift would be enough. (Again this is probably just a useless suggestion)
7) Have a special color surrounding the discussion that they posted? Like make it one primary color (Make it some neutral color as i can foresee users not liking this if abused, like spamming the discussion page if you're a donor)
8) Stats wise the only thing i can think off is amount of perma bans given on this site XD
9) Given the amount of trains, make a giftaway thing special called "Create Train giftaway" max of however many you're allowed to do at once with this special one, so that every single detail can be done all at once and it auto links the next train. (Description of each giftaway will be the same throughout all trains, except unless you edit it individually)
Disclaimer: All these doesn't have to be donation available perks, could also just be an quality of life improvement to the general SG.
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Send nudes ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Every month a small selection of the support team poses for a calendar-esque photoshoot and with every higher tier one more piece of clothing goes bye bye. Can be used to both reward and traumatize the patrons ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Sorry, no serious suggestion, everything I could think of has already been suggested by multiple people
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Just read through the suggestions written so far. It seems there's quite a lot of people suggesting things that would leave the community more divided than it already is imo, which is not really a good thing.
Donator only GAs ? We already have enough ways to limit GAs to most active contributors/users (Invite-only, Levels, Group-only, SGTools and Wishlist). So, if you want only people that gave away a lot, just put a minimum level to your GA or SGTools check on Ratio and such. And if you really want only Donators to join your GA you could always set up a Steam Group for donators (or give the link to donators), if there's not a SGTools filter for it.
Donator only Forum ? What would you use it for (except GAs for donators only) ? Any discussion in it would have its place in the main forums (exception being discussions about the Donator system itself). Overall, it would only lower the activity in the main forums.
More points, Being able to enter a GAs more than once, etc... Those are against the base ideas behind this website which are that everyone entering a GA has the same chances of winning as the others and that we can all enter the same number of GAs (up to you to choose quantity/winning chances or quality of the game)
Being able to pin a GA/Discussion for a set amount of time ? What's the use in it for Discussions, if your post (or the GAs inside) interests people, then it will have reply and stay at the top. If it doesn't interest people then why force it to them. As for GAs, there isn't really an use for it. If the game interests people, they'll see it in Wishlist already, if not then they might not be interested in the game anyway and you shouldn't force it to them.
Priority to Donators' tickets in support wouldn't be good as Mods/Supports are volunteers and not paid, and would increase answer times for the majority.
Donator icon, custom profile border, etc... Those are fine as long as they stay simple and clean. It's also best if donators can choose not to show them as it would reduce the risk of a division between donators and non-donators (as a 'normal' user could aswell be a donator that isn't showing it) and some aren't interested in those anyway.
Disabled ads, no issue linked to it.
Custom win gifs would be awesome, especially if Donators can upload their own (as long as they're checked as safe - no flashing lights, offensive, etc...)
Stuff like Monthly FAQ with the donators are Ok, as long as they're made public afterwards, as the answers would be useful for everyone not just donators (the Donator restriction on asking questions isn't that bad here as it filters the amount of questions).
Also, keep in mind that not everyone who is contributing actively to the website is/would be able to support the site through Patreon (or doing so might impact their ability to make giveaways), and that being a donator is independant from being an active contributor (through GAs or forum activity).
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A donator only forum would need to be exactly that, pertaining to donator only queries and updates. No additional donator only GA's or invite only GA's. Just a place for donator updates or suggestions.
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But why shouldn't donator updates and suggestions be public and available to everyone? I mean, if there are changes that someone who hasn't prior donated likes, it might motivate them to go donate. Personally, I also think that a donator only forum would only lead to people posting donator only giveaways and if that would be against the rules then it would only put extra baggage on the backs of the mods who have to monitor the forums.
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Its getting the balance between reward and fairness. A lot of kickstarters/patreon funded things get the benefit of directly talking to the devs, I don't see how this would be any different.
Giveaways being exclusive are a no no and would be incredibly easy to police, hell ban links on patreon only forums if you need to.
There has to be some form of reward that is in line with paying people who are contributing to the sites existance. People who don't contribute can feel hard done by rightfully if it detracted from their chances to win or use the site, this wouldn't pertain to anyone other than patreon users so it wouldn't negatively impact any non-patreon contributors.
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Custom Win Gifs: This would allow a user to choose a custom image for their winners to see, instead of Space Cat, when they win a game.
..and also allow the user who donated to have a custom win gif for themselves..
Additional Statistics: Is there any extra stats or data you would like to have available for your account?
Unless it's specific to their donations, i.e. irrelevant/inexistant for other users, then no, because it creates an information-bridge between users which isn't "nice" so to speak. If it is about their donations then of course.
The same I believe for donators-only forum, that is not a good idea I mean..
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Another suggestion: Ability to add a reason for whitelisting/blacklisting a user, first for your own records (probably as a lmited char text field, not from a pre-set dropdown list). And if that listed user is also a donor, they can see the reason (but anonymously, as long as the entire site doesn't get a list). For example on the statistics page, when you hover over the date of new blacklists/whitelist, it could list the reasons for those specific list additions.
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it's an example of basic functionality that if implemented should be available to asll users, not just paying ones. things that make usage of website significantly easier should not be hidden behind paywall. cosmetic/fun stuff? sure. Actual functional and needed stuff? Should be accessible for all users.
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Well, it's been suggested a thousand times over, so far it's not been implemented. I'm not saying this should only be available to donors, I'm saying this is a thing that would be useful and might move people to donate. Could be implemented for everyone if it works fine. Donors could be the guinea pigs ^^
I don't really see how you get an advantage for winning giveaways with this, so unless someone shows me how it could be exploited, I think it's a fair suggestion. (if you find out who blacklisted you, you can still ask them, it's not like you're completely cut off now as it is; and getting insight into how your behaviour is perceived might help you become a more productive member of the community, without the direct goal of getting people to unblacklist you - you still don't know who they are and can't go to them to say "look, I've changed, take me off your list")
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it's not only advantage about winning GAs, it';s about donators having much better overall experience, aka having access to much needed functions, doesn't matter if these functions affect your win chances or not. Let's say we put on mandatory captchas on all GAs and only donators don't see them. Horrible idea right? But after all they do not affect the chance to win GAs so would it be ok to have small group of users easier time using website while others don't? I knoiw, extreme example, but shows that not only win-chance should be considered, but also general ability to easilly use the website.
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But doesn't that affect all suggestions? Even a custom winning gif can make the site more enjoyable, as do no ads and cosmetic stuff like avatar borders etc. - you're basically aguing for no rewards then ...
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no, I'm just saying there's a difference between more enjoyable / fun / customixable and more useful. Rewards that add you any form of personalization, are enjoyable, are fun - it's ok to have these hidden behind paywall. Rewards that are not just fun and enjoyable but are in genersl overall useful should not be hidden behind paywall, they should be accessible to everyone.
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I'm not saying this should only be available to donors, I'm saying this is a thing that would be useful and might move people to donate. Could be implemented for everyone if it works fine. Donors could be the guinea pigs ^^
Edit: And I would see this as statistical info, not something to really use when I use the site - personally, I'd really like to know why people blacklisted me for posts with directly linked L0 forum gibs for my Birthday and around Christmas, just out of curiosity ... but of course no one has to give a reason if this is implemented, as a patreon reward or for everyone
Edit2: As opposed to cosmetic perks for your profile, which show everyone that you're a donor and might further elitism, this at least would be a private thing, something only you yourself can see, if you choose to. So again, I feel like you should be arguing against all rewards if you want to be consistent and want users not to have any (perceived) advantage over others.
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@Edit2 - Don't we have already suggested turning off any public visible options? It's been suggested multiple times, so I don't see your point. As well as I don't see your point that I sould argue against any rewards (heck, even proposed 3 rewards myself). I already explained twice the difference between fun rewards and functional rewards. And I see it as a very valid difference. You may disagree saying no matter if something is fuinctional or fun, but still don't give you the right to decide that if it doesn't matter to you it cannot matter to anyone else.
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which is exactly my point - why are you deciding that personal notes is a vital functionality that would put donors at an advantage, when there are scripts to get them, or you can just have a spreadsheet, it would just be easier to have it implemented in the site - but showing off your donor status doesn't affect user dynamics? (I only read your post below, you never specify what "cosmetic" and "fun" is, so I assume things to customize your profile, probably the custom winning gif that's been suggested (which would also reveal your donor status to a few people) and again, getting rid of ads feels more like a functionality for a smoother site experience than merely a cosmetic change)
(and also again, I'm all for this being a feature for everyone, I haven't even decided if I'll donate anything on patreon, it's just a suggestion in a thread asking for suggestions)
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because its an actually useful option (prove of that is that it's been suggested multiple times in the past). Option a lot of users want and think they need. Hiding heavilly requested options/functionalities behind paywall seems bad. Look at it this way - customisation options do not affect how you use SG. No matter if you use them or not, you still use SG the same way. But having option like this makes anyone who is using WL/BL lide easier on SG. Having a functionality that can and want to be used by big part of community, functionality that affects how you use the website (for example you don't have to keep external file explaining all BLs) hidden behind paywall would be some form of excluding. If you want to use website easier pay us. You still have same chances to win, sure, but suddenly if you pay using website, managing any part of it (in this example your BL) becomes easier the moment you pay. Things that make using.managing website easier should be accessible to all, not just people who patronite. And again - any customisation option could be turned off, including custom gif, so no, if you really don't weant to show you're a patreon noone should force you to do so in any way. You could be a patreon with all profile styuff hidden, never using any fun forum functions, using usuap spacecat gif and noone will know - your choice. But don't make site more useful / easier to use to patreons. It's not as bad as patreons having better win chances or exclusive GAs, but also is a bad thing.
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what were your 3 suggestions? Because this really sounds like you are against rewards, even though you say you're not. (Making visible stuff optional should be a given, but then it would still be there for people who want to show off - and on the one hand I think why not, they're supporting the site and earned it, but knowing the "class wars" that go on in the forums I'm not sure it's a great idea, at least for people who otherwise want to avoid drama)
And just to clarify, I haven't used my blacklist in over a year, and except for the 6 people I'll keep on there, I don't expect to use it ever again. And so far I haven't gotten blacklisted a lot, and usually it coincides with my threads (usually celebrating something XD), so I have an idea of where most of my blacklists come from (even if I don't understand them). I'd mostly use this for keeping track of whitelists, if I'd use it at all. This was not a suggestion for me, it's just something that's been floating around and I thought I'd bring it up here. I think we agree on the fact that this would be a good feature to have.
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no, now I explained 3 times I'm not against rewards. I'm against rewards which are useful functionalities which should be accessible to everyone. Getting tired of explaining myself over and over again, while in response hearing only "huh, so you mean you're against rewards?". You can find mine as many others suggestions in the thread, I suggest reading them, maybe then you will see the difference between fun addition and useful functionalities. My 3 suggestions were:
- Ability to trigger space cat gif whenever you want. Maybe ability to trigger special sppace cats like valentines day cat or sg bday cat.
- Additional formatting.options. 5-10 special emoticons users can use in discussions if they are a donator.
- Maybe some fun non-invasive social functions? Like option to poke user, or to react to comment.
And yes - I agree it would be good feature to have (I personally use BL very activelly, and since I use SG on many machines, including laptop, smartphone (half of my Sg time is on smartphone probably) it's impossible/toohard for me to keep a spreadsheet so I would love this function, but only made public. Because that's the reason why - I really really want it. And patreon should be something you simply choose to do, not something you are enforced to do because functionalities you really want are hidden behind paywall ;p And don't get me wrong as baing cheap or something - I'm surely going to become a patron, I got so much from this community it's the least I can do to give back. So whether it would be free or paid option I'd still have access to it. But as this is an option that I persoanlly would really like I understand that if I wanted to remain free user I'd feel bad not having access to it, as it's something that I'd find useful. And there are surely people who feel the same but will not become patrons. cg stated he don't want patreon to feel needed, it should not be something you feel you gotta do to get stuiff, it should be something you decide to do because you feel so. In return you get some small rewards, but nothing that would be actually useful for you while free users can't use it.
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I know you're not against it, it just sounded like it without knowing your specific suggestions (I actually remember reading those earlier, didn't realize it was your post too; and the last 2 could still identify people as patrons btw). I feel like poke is also something people would really want without paying, so I feel like you're not entirely consistent there, but okay.
I guess we just disagree on how important/needed/wanted some possible features are and whether they should be available to all or just some. In the end I guess it's up to cg anyways, so I'll try and stop arguing ^^
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ok, I'll try and stop as well ;) Sorry. Ofc last 2 can be used to identify the patron, but like with all opthers - if you don't want to be identified just don't use emojis or react and noone will know ;p And first I meant like not public for everyone to see (otherwise we'd have spacecat spam all the time), I meant patreons having button that will summomn space cat to their own browser only - like you click it you get a popup with random space cat, but only you can see it, so just for your fun. Or if you missed some of rare space cats like valentine's day one you could use it to summon it anytime you want and look at his space glory ;p
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because its an actually useful option (prove of that is that it's been suggested multiple times in the past).
I'm pretty sure profile changes have been suggested as well, and not just to make it prettier, but e.g. for impersonator warnings
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and? profile changes are cosmetic, this is something useful. Difference is pretty easy to see for anyone willing to see it instead of just ignoring given arguments so he can repeat same stuff over and over again. It is useful and needed, as proven by this being mentioned so many times. Ofc something being mentioned many times don't mean it's useful, but argument can be made other way around that something being useful and needed can be proven among other proofs by being widely requested.
Anyway, now you're just picking on words without giving any arguments of your own. Previously even wehen given arguments and explained you ignored them and continued with "so you're against any rewards" so at this point I'm done. You ignore whatever I am saying, cherry-picking some parts and interpreting them as you wish and repeat same stuff I already responded to over and over again. I stated my position, no need to further repeat myself if all the effect is the same as talking to a brick wall.
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We feel the same there, I kept repeating that I wasn't arguing for this option to be pay-only, and you kept saying I'm not the one to decide what's important for everyone (and you are?). Good thing we're both done with this now, no need to repeat it all over again ^^
(I was just pointing out there that your proof was proof for the opposite as well btw, not refuting your claim that this would be great to have without having to donate - also, are impersonator warnings not important/useful?)
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Technical functionality should be the same, and enjoyment (ease of use) from it, because that's what every user deserves.
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I agree somewhat, but then the whole point of extra statistics as rewards, as suggested in the OP, should be thrown out. Same with certain suggestions for profile customization. As I said in another comment, this suggestions isn't necessarily meant only for donors, but could be tested on this smaller group and rolled out for everyone if it works fine
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Customization is exactly not the functionality stuff because pictures and colours won't help the site, nor the people, while stats do :)
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certain suggestions for customization, and I disagree with your examples, they could be inerpreted as status symbols by others, or used as such, thus helping people and creating an imbalance (I'm not against it, especially if those things are available at a low tier (= affordable for lots of people) and the people using them are responsible about it, don't use it to win arguments or whatever)
Meanwhile nobody but you can see the stats, especially if it's stats about your own account, so I'm not sure how that's helping (it would really depend on the kinds of stats, this suggested bl/wl info could certainly have drawbacks, but e.g. statistics on how often you open the site, how much time you spend in the forums etc. wouldn't really do much, would it?) (although now I think I'm arguning against my own points/suggestions a bit ^^)
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+1 for adding this feature, but not for allowing donors to see the notes about them. I frequently add links to specific comments in my own (local) records, and there would be no way to anonymize this.
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Hey everyone, a Patreon campaign for SG is in development, which will also allow users to link their Patreon account to our site to redeem rewards. A lot of the code is already up and running for early testing, and ideally it'll be ready to go live in June or July. The difficult part right now is coming up with rewards, which is why I wanted to reach out for suggestions.
We obviously do not want to turn our community into a pay-to-win site, so I would like to exclude any rewards that would give users an unfair advantage, such as a higher chance of winning, or more points. On the list of user rewards so far we have...
Other suggestions that have come up...
Thanks for ideas!
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