I've seen in several comments suggestion to let patreons access to some sort of testing or behind-the-scenes info about upcoming changes etc, so will just say in one comment instead of replying to all - imho very bad idea. If our purpose is to make sure patreons have no advantage over normal user (sow e are not considered pay-to-win) it could lead to abuse making patreons having better chances than other users. Let's take latest BL change for example - if a group of ppl knew about the change before, they would starn unBLing ppl to be able to enter their GAs in advance , when change goes live we have group of ppl who adapted in advance and can already enter gAs and group of ppl who feels the need to react and will be 7 days behind on reaction. And what if there's some more imp[ortant change? Like let's say change to CV or bundle status? Then group of ppl have tiome to react and take advantage from it (maybe right now there's some promo, which is now considered bundle, but won't be after changes? normal users will not buy it, patreons will to exploit CV change). These are just examples, but basically many changes could be taken advantegeous if one knew about them before they enrolled. So I strongly vouch against any such ideas. Make things simple - cosmetic and fun stuff only, no complex/elite actual functionalities, because you can never predict how someone can exploit these.
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Well, you could add some badges like "Patreon", "Glorious Contributor", "Rambling Commenter", "Picture Sharer", "Blacklister", "Whitelister", etc
Somewhat like achievements, ofc the requirements should be hidden so it would be fun to discover yourself.
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I'm all for the cosmetic options. Maybe also give more text editor options like colors and more emojis and stuff. Stats also would work but not sure what we could add that we don't already have.
Any suggestion like donor-exclusive giveaways or subforum are awful ideas imo
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Site wide achievements for backers for fun, first comment, first GA, first win etc, keeping it as simple as possible to avoid a split. Eg, no good ratio cheevos or specific "unbundled" cheevos.
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also no cheevos for xy blacklists/whitelists (given or gotten)
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I know you are joking ;p but in case someone don't get it - horrible idea - it would only cause more drama over forums, like inb4 arguments "your argument cannot be right, because you are horrible person, because you have 750 ppl on your blacklist" (I have over 750 ppl BLed ;p) or topics like "what do you think about users who abuse blacklists? There is this moderator who has all BL slots used. He clearly abuses BL, it only means he will also abuse his moderator powers!" (there is a moderator who hit BL limit of 1000 users multiple times in the past ;p).
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well, now you've outed yourself, you might as well take the "Horrible Person" cheevo and display it in your profile ;) (I really don't know how I feel about achievements for the site in general, since it might be the wrong incentive to do certain things, e.g. spam the forums to quickly get a new one)
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yeah, feel kinda the same. So maybe not achievements, aka things you can farm, but rather some stats that are unfarmable. Like stuff Ally proposed - When was your first comment, what was your first win, what was your biggest win entry-wise (aka GA you won with lowest chance to win) etc, but not stuff like "have 10000 forum comments" or "Enter 5000 GAs" (also we already have stats for comments and entries on our profiles anyway, so just keep them there just don't asssociate any achievments with them ;P)
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Just really generic things was the thought, absolutely nothing drama or elitist inducing, just a silly little meta game to play as a way of keeping track of stats.
Absolutely no blacklist tracking cheevos or anything that could create a scene. Simple things like you mentioned like win a gib, win with 1,000 entries, reach your first cakeday etc. Anything to extend the fun of the site.
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Option to use your steam emoticons? I'm not entirely sure you can do this because of copyrights, though.
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Rewards should be limited to cosmetic changes, anything like patreon only giveaways or important user/site functions exclusive to donors will force users to donate and discriminate between paid and free users.
I hope we won't see a lot of donor exclusive sgtools gibs in the future... Is it just me or this feels like SG Premium becoming a reality ¿?
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well - if you consider users making GAs not cg making GAs (it was already pointed in thread btw that cg making exclusive GAs would be against Patreon rules) to be equivalent of SG Premium then we have SG Premium for a long time already, years. Because how is it any different than users making GAs only for those who paid enough to get CV XYZ? Or to users who meet certain SGT criteria? GAs baing exclusively available to certain group of other users have been on SG for years. And somehow noone calls lvl 10 GAs or SGT GAs "SG Premium" ;p SG Premium would be if site became pay to win - if donating would give you better chances in every GA, not just access to some GAs made by other users (or to both - like it used to be with PlayBlink where if you donated you had more entries, more points and also access to premium GAs). That being said I'm ofc against any special GAs for patrons only etc, but there's nothing we can really do to stop users from making them (cg should not make them ofc), but I wouldn't call it SG Premium as it's not too different from all the criteria ppl already put on their GAs.
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I think the most significant difference is, donating directly to SG (cg etc..) is not the same thing as contributing to the site through giveaways you make and the level you gain as a result from those contributions, which all goes to random users (well not so random in case of small private giveaway groups..).
If everyone starts doing donor exclusive giveaways through sgtools, how is it not pay to win then? We might also see private groups exclusive to SG donors. As soon as there is a visible donor status or whatever in your profile, users will make use of it creating private groups and donor exclusive giveaways, which is why I was thinking of an optional or hidden status and some small improvements, cosmetic additions for those donors.
Creating giveaways over years and slowly building up your level (which also encourages giveaway activity) is very different compared to directly paying a premium fee to the site in my opinion.
And somehow noone calls lvl 10 GAs or SGT GAs "SG Premium" ;p SG Premium would be if site became pay to win
Well, I think this was discussed many times, it is not like you said, some people think it will be better if the level system is removed altogether. However because of the reasons I stated above, it actually increases giveaway activity and is not directly giving any benefits to any specific individual (like noone is directly making money out of it), it probably has more positives than negatives. As for the donator exclusive giveaways or patreon status, I can't see much benefit for the site users in general.
PS: SGT is a different story.. I was openly against it, the idea of having to use an external tool for SG giveaways never made sense to me (especially after seeing it had its own punishment/ban system). However, being able to use some extra filters and weed out rule breakers, is useful in some cases. It is also pretty good for keeping track of your own CV changes using several different filters.
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I get what you are saying - but really, how do you want to prevent it from happening? prohibit SGT if they add this option? Prohibit any 3rd party website using it if SGT don't? What if someone just creates a SG group where he invites patrons? Ban group? Ban multiple groups? What if someone just adds all patrons to his WL and make WL GAs? Ban him for making GA? There is realistically no way of preventing normal users fropm making GAs exclusively for patreons if these users want to do so.
Also as for benefit for the site users in general - having better, more stable, faster servers paid for with patreon money is not a benefit? Having cg being able to activelly work on more upgrades and new functionalities (look at how long suggestions backlog we have ) because while he's being paid for his work he may dedicate more time to it instead of doing another paid contracts to earn living is not a benefit? That is basically how a lot of Patreon projects work - you're artist or some ofrm of creator doing stuff in your free time beside your daily job. You get donators money which become your salary, thus you can dedicate more time to working on your project instead of doing some other job to earn money. That's why many content creators (all kind of, from comic artist, through youtubers, writers, singers to website creators) chose Patreon, because it let them earn money so they can focus on the projects they fans want instead of doing them only in their spare time, they have more time to focus on projects, they can provide more and better content. And it's benefot for all people following them or in this case using their website, not just those donated.
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Making donator status hidden (making it impossible/hard to confirm with auto-checks or APIs) and maybe making a rule to prevent paid - free user discrimination in the forum threads can be a good start.
If you can't prevent something 100%, then 90% might still be much better than doing nothing.
I agree with most of what you said about making some profit for the effort and indirect benefits to users with the server and functionality upgrades.
However, we are talking about 1 million users here. I don't want to see SG become a pay-to-win site. If you make the math, if the site somehow forces donations and even if the 2% of the userbase donates, the total amount can become something crazy. Also there is already some form of unavoidable discrimination among users because of the level system and some of the new users think the site is a scam till they start winning something even tho SG asks for no money from them... Any further additions to these problems might not be a good thing.
This is why I'm saying, this should be implemented carefully, if possible without creating any additional elitism, drama and headaches.
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That's why we're not talking about forcing donations ;p And really - 2% is not even realistic ;p over 90% users of these 1mil are not even contributors - are lvl 0 or 1, vast majority of users don't feel loike donating even a bundle leftover, don't think would be willing to subscribe for a monthly fee ;p Look at other patreon projects - beside very few cases they do not make so much. YouTubers who have million of views every day get few thousands of dollars. It's a good salary, but it's very far from being anything crazy. It's salary good enough to let you for example quit your job and focus solely on creating content, hire some additional people, but it's nothing really crazy. I think realistically on SG maybe few dozens of ppl would be willing to donate more than minimum donation of 1$, add hundred or two who can add 1$. In total it still won't make shitload of cash, but it should not be the purpose. Purpose should be covering costs of maintaining and further development of the website without need to worry about will I be able to pay my rent next month if I focus on sG too much. And that's all. And I believe that solely from people giving just because they want to support community they got so much from, they spend some much time on with addition of just some minor fun/cosmetic stuff it would be enough but I doubt it can go to pay-2-win route and even if it's worth it. Keep in mind that big reason why SG succeeded while so many competition GA sites failed and died is because it was a fair system, without pay to win, so ppl were more willing to get invested into it. I believe cg would never risk going any form of p2w route, because soon enough it could end with first all real contributors switching to premium aprt only, then all the rest of website slowly dying until community finally collapsing. Like it happened b4 with other p2w GA websites like PlayBlink or GameMiner. Not worth the risk.
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Like it happened b4 with other p2w GA websites like PlayBlink or GameMiner.
Yeah I thought about it a bit, but it is also worrying me that SG has no competition currently. All other giveaway sites are dead, none of them have never reached a quarter of SG's user numbers to begin with...
Those donating money to youtubers get nothing in return, with a proper p2w system they can win games on SG. 2% might be unrealistic, I don't know, anybody who is not inactive level 5+ on SG is a potential donator I'd say, add a lot of lower levels to that and new users too. The risk might not be too high in the current situation.
Well, let's hope for the best. cg has almost always found the best way to handle the things regarding the site. It was mostly the users trying to exploit and abuse things, creating unnecessary drama. I hope we won't see "Donators Only!" tagged threads in the next months.
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It was mostly the users trying to exploit and abuse things
+1, if there's a way to do so it's likely that someone with malicious intent will find the loopholes first before it could be fixed :\
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I'd say most of people donating to artists actually get something ;) Most patreons I've seen for writers, YTers and comic book artists (probably more as well, but these I never followed) featured exclusive content - like private videos or short stories accessible to donators only, not to mention physical rewards and other really fun stuff in higher brackets. Here we're talking about cosmetic and fun only modification on one internet community, no access to anything exclusive others cannot at least see, so I'd say with such rewards only people who are really invested into SG community and simply wish to help it grow would donate. Maybe I am idealistic, I guess we'll see when Patreon goes live, but I bet most of users if given a choice between donating 5$ to SG for some profile-cosmetic-stuff and hope that maybe someone will add them to WL because they donated (keep in mind that as many ppl if not more may also add them to BL for the same reason ;p) or between buying Tier 2 Bundle or 5 Tier 1 bundles will pick the latter one. Most of people who are going to donate will rather be users whose main objective gonna be to help in website and community development rather than some hypothethical return of their investment by usermade GAs. At least that's what I sincerelly hope for ;p
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1 million accounts, the active userbase is 100k with a generous guess, based on the 30-40k level 0 dev giveaways. I don't want to interfere with the discussion of you two, but this is an important, and very often misquoted data.
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I already adressed it here, just in other way ;) 1 million users, but 850k never reached lvl 1 aka never donated a thing, 950k never went above bare minimum aka lvl 1, so they just gave some freebie/leftover away to get better chances and continued leeching. That means that less than 5% even actually contributed, a lot of them are inactive now, a lot of them donated just leftovers, there are very few actual active users who continue investing to make GAs for ppl instead of just giving spare stuff they have no other use for.
Also do not feel like you interfere. The sole idea of forum discussions mean that they are publicly visible and available to anyone to join them at any time they want ;p If we wanted to discuss privately, we'd do it over Steam Chat for example, or comments in some ended GA ;)
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Yeah, then I read further. And I meant the interfering as I don't want to take sides, but then two comments later I've seen general agreement about the topic just being messy, so that was unneeded as well :D
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+1 as zelghadis said, it was never meant to be a "private discussion". We were just throwing wall of texts to each other :D
thanks for correcting my mistake about the actual user numbers
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that is quite evil but i'm sure we can go deeper...like making the crates and the keys for those crates two different currencies
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I want a SG Gold / SG Platinum / SG Premium label that shows for Patreon users (but does nothing apart from that). Probably should let the user pick the exact phrase (from a predefined list, just to avoid too much trouble with imaginative lables).
Still, considering that SG isn't doing any content creation, it doesn't seem to me to fit Patreon.
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SG isn't doing any content creation
somebody made the SteamGifts logo. :P
edit: which i suddenly realized is nowhere in site for me anymore.
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- Ability to filter\sort newly created discussions by time i.e. newest -> oldest or by minute\hour\day created time
- Ability to find all places where you have commented
PLEASE 👀
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these should be functions available to everyone, not rewards hidden behind paywall.
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yeah, I get it, these are needed and should be on SG, but should be on SG for everyone, this thread is for suggestions about patreon rewards and hiding basic functionalities behind paywall is horrible idea ;p hopefully cg implements these things but even more hopefully not as patron rewards for just few ppl who donated.
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Yeah the standard "Find all posts" and "Find all threads" created by the user feature we see pretty much everywhere might be a good idea indeed.
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I would vote for hidden bonuses, like some extra filters (none come to mind though).
I dont want to know who's a Patreon and who's not. And I dont want others to know I donated as well.
Creates an imo unwanted air of l33tness.
EDIT: I find myself running out of points a lot. So maybe 400 points instead of the usual 300 for Patreons?
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You didn't read the OP did you?
I would like to exclude any rewards that would give users an unfair advantage, such as a higher chance of winning, or more points.
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cg mentioned - nothing that gives any winning advantage over non-paying users. Having more points to enter more GAs is a direct advantage giving paying users better chance to win.
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Depends on what you wanna do. If you want to reward people disabling ads is enough in my opinion. If you want to make money then you should consider customizing the profile page like on Steam: adding description on your SG profile, changing color of the profile, changing color of the whole site (like in Mully's script but with more colors), new emoticons, achievements (it would be new way of leveling up), the dontaor icon also seems like a nice idea (but as others said it might cause more elitist-drama) and other suggestions that people already made here like different avatars on SG and Steam or changing username more often, changing the space cat to sth else. Anything that is related to customizing your SG profile.
This is a serious comment. It is your site and I have nothing against if you will earn money from it.
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Hm, let´s think about it:
Goal: Get money to run the site
Potential:
- More adverstiments (People hat them + addblocker)
- Let pay all users a little fee (SIte would loose probably 90 % or more of the users),
- Let some
addictsenthusiastic users pay a bigger fee. --> Good decision for the last.
How to get people to pay non-obligatory?
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Give better Odds --> This would be not accepted by a lot of non-paying users
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Give better functionality --> I think this should be better available for all users to increase the popularity of the site.
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Give cosmetics --> This doesn´t hurt the non-paying users to much and could be a good solution. As mentioned above: Maybe when someone wins my giveaway, he will not get the space cat. He will see a personal gif. Badges and medal of honors are working also good (But more for younger users, I expect). But will this enough to get a good amount of people to pay volontary?
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Maybe you could increase the points bank to 400 or so. Not more points generated, but you don´t have to come so often to spend them. This would help the working class, which has normally more money than pupils and students.
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Or you could do a monthly "charity giveaway". Spend money to enter a AAA giveaway (Don´t know, if this is even allowed, to your gambling laws).
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@5 It would be against Patreon rules - rewards may not include any form of lottery/gambling/GiveAway etc.
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I think that could easily be worked around.
"By supporting this site, you allow all users of the site to enter into a giveaway for the latest AAA game"
Since it's for all users, it's not really a reward for only Patreons.
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then it wouldn't be a "charity giveaway" like they suggested. ;)
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Just doing what I can to try to prevent more "us vs. them" on this site.
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I don´t know this Patreon. I thought more of an extra thing to raise money for the site.
I don´t need any rewards for myself, but want to participate in the discussion. ;-)
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i wasn't aware of it or ever heard of it either before. but after reading thru the discussions i realized it's against their service rules. not that i expected you or anyone else for that matter to actually go thru and read all these posts though, so i totally understand your suggestions. ^^
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Maybe this Patreon is not the right way. I would not create an extra account. Unfortunately the site does not work proper at my office pc. I can´t open any artist sites to see if I could give money without an account.
Do you know more about it?
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i honestly don't know anything about it really beyond a small snippet of their rules that was pasted somewhere in this thread in a quote. sorry.
i did create and account and went ahead and linked my paypal to it and setup my profile on it, but that's about as much as i know.
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yup - even if I myself supported a few content creators via patreon I was not aware of no-giveaways rule either ;p Luckilly we had someone using Patreon to raise money for himself in the topic to clear the facts, as he's much more likely to know rules in depth that even people who use service but just to tip creators they like ;)
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I so didn't read all the rules, just the ones about adult content not working with paypal and that totally happened to come up in the FAQ as I was reading it. Also that, paypal has weird rules about buying adult content. This is all I can remember from the FAQ
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This could also work. Like an unlock for all. Maybe with list under the giveaway who made this giveaway possible^^.
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Something like that would work. You'd have to let people choose whether they want to be listed or not.
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Yeah that might work. The Patreons vote on what game to be given away, but everyone gets to participate.
Although this will result in a lot of bot entries =/
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Than you could stick it to active users - like created a giveaway in the last 3 month. This would make it a bit harder for the bots
Or make a captcha for this giveaway.
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exploitable - just make 1 shitty 3 cents GA bought in Dig Store every 3 months for a chanse to win. Also it would turn SG into raffle system - buy cheap ticket to join our raffle for big win. Also also I wouldn't risk trying to find "clever way" to work around Patreon site. Potential gain is much smaller than potential loss. Gain - a few ppl more maybe donate, potential loss - Potreon bans you alltogether and no more gain for you at all.
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I don´t know this site Patreon, so I can´t judge it.
Can you tell me if its a safe site and why someone should make and account there and not donate directly to steamgifts? What are the advantages to use such a service?
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same way as Kickstarter - why use Kickstarter if you can ask people to send money directly to you? There are several reasons.
- Exposure - PAtreon is atm no longer so noname service, it's quite popular, you are much more likelly to make new ppl find your stuff there than hoping they randomly find your webpafge where you ask for donations.
- Safety - for both content creator and patrons. Content creator is safe from chargeback trolls (ppl who donate, chargeback, donate again and so on and on just to make him lose money on fees), it's Patreon that is responsible for all money thingies, and it's their responsibility to ban these ppl to stop them from hurting creators. It's also much easier and cheaper to have a well established company to deal with all your monetary thingies than to deal with all of them yourself. At the other hand donators are also protected. Let's say you send money directly to cg and cg decides to just cash out and close SG (not that I think he would ofc ;p) - if you stop delivering what you are promising or never deliver it in the first place, upon report Patreon will block your payonut. It doen't matter bunch of ppl sent you money, you will never see it.
- Convinience - managing and accepting PayPal and especially CC payments (form multiple CC operators) is not only costly, time-consuming but also requires you to meet a lot of criteria. You cannot just create CC payment platform of your own in 1h and start getting money to your bank account. Here again you have a company providing all of this for you and you don't have to worry about any of it, you just get your pay out as long as you don't try to screw around and cheat system somehow.
- Communication - no matter what payment method donator used you can easilly communicate with all your patrons (or chosen tiers of patrons). Otherwise communication could be problematic - you may only have PP email but you don't know if this person uses this email usually for non-PP-stuff, you may only have name John Smith and his CC number. You'd have to maintain contacts database as well as whole contact system for all different type of donators, while here you can easilly share whatever stuff you want with their accounts, also just with specific tiers etc.
There are probably many more reasons, but just a few from top of my head, as I already made a bigass wall of text ;p
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Thank you for the explanations, they are much aprecciated. I am old-fashioned and don´t know much about this new Internet things^^
Because I am not on Patreon yet,, I will donate you a blueheart for your efforts. ;-)
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well thank you ;) returned, especially as it was really nice to talk with someone in a polite and argument bvased way for a change :D:
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Thank you, it was a pleasure to me to have this talk with you.
I think you would fit perfectly in our group Write History, if you like some discussions. Just tell me if you are interested. http://steamcommunity.com/groups/writehistory
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I already got invited by darla over 3 weeks ago, but I will rephrase my respond here again ;p
I'm not too good at history. I may know a few popculture facts, but that's it. History was always one of my weakest subjects in school, I am an IT engineer, I also studied math, I'm intrested beside IT and math in physics - but all these fields are as far away from history as possible ;P Me being in group would probably limit itself to just copy-pasting eventually slightly redacting wikipedia facts. Surely I would not be able to join any serious historical discussion, due to ma lack of knowledge in the field. So as much as I totally love idea of themathic or any involved groups - groups intearcting with each other instead of just mindlessly trading gifts, history-centered group is surely not something I'd fit in ;p
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Thanks for the detailed answer. I know, that history is not for all users here quite as intersting as for me. But I am historian and work in a museum, so sometimes I forget this. ;-)
But I have also other interests. After my school I had to decide between studying history or physics. :-))
To recognize a lack of knowledge is a good thing. It is much worse to think, that someone knows everything. And slightly redacting wikipedia facts is fine in our group. It could be the start for a deeper understanding.
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Hey, there are some actually decent games for 3 cents in the DIG store.
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sure, but buying yourself into GA for brand new 60$ game by creating 3 cent GA would still be a raffle, where you pay 3 cents in hope for winning big. No matter quality of this 3 cent game ;p
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What about you will get maybe 5% from your Patreon fee to your CV.
In my opinion, this would not be a P2W since you can increase your CV faster with GAs.
But for Patreon, it would be a small bonus as compensation.
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Advertising Disabled: As expected, this will remove all of the advertisements across our site for a user, along with the related ad network code for faster load times, and increased privacy.
Yes, this is reasonable.
Donator Status: We'll display a little icon beside a user's name when they comment, similar to the cake day icon, to show they are a donator. Do you think users should also be able to disable this icon if they wish to donate anonymously?
No, anything that affects the normal functioning of the site for other users (in this case, by offering additional visual clutter) is unreasonable. Yes, we'll just make scripts to avoid it, but we really shouldn't have to in the first place. This is unreasonable, as it adds a distinct advantage to paying users. Put another way, currently your proposal removes visual clutter (ads) for paying users. By moving to this second proposal, you're in fact essentially offering to place new ads for non-donators. That's a clear sign of adding additional limitations to basic site features for the sake of encouraging donators.
Profile Colors: This allows a user to customize the different colors on their profile. For example, right now I have different background, text, and avatar border colors selected for mine.
Yes, so long as the color selection is preset, the color change is limited to just affecting the shading of the background, or the design is otherwise arranged to avoid significantly distracting visual effects, profile cosmetics are generally always a favorable donator addition. I'd even go one step further, and add in the option for specialized avatar border graphics (eg, vines, lattices, etc) for profile use.
Additional Statistics: Is there any extra stats or data you would like to have available for your account?
Site-related statistics should be public (and y'know, can easily be leaked anyway, so make no sense for personal exclusivity), but I don't see why additional personal data shouldn't be included. In fact, you should really move blacklist data over to that section, so we can lose some of the drama we gained off that addition.
Custom Win Gifs: This would allow a user to choose a custom image for their winners to see, instead of Space Cat, when they win a game.
Selecting a win image for yourself is completely personal to the user and entirely cosmetic. This is clearly a wholly acceptable idea.
Past that, why would you trust any site user to give a reasonable image to their winners? Make sure it's from a preselection of images, then, if you go that route, or you'll be inviting issues.
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I dont personally see any harm with additional personal stats, so long as they were simple stats. Any additional stats should be personal only nothing that can affect others or create any form of disparity between users. Id quite like more personal raw data, especially when its already been given the greenlight to use through SGT.
It should only be personal though and in no way should it be allowed to create any giveaways or groups.
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The idea is to have the custom gifs pre-approved by support.
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I'm assuming you mean by multiple staff members? It's well known that certain members of staff have rather individualistic perspectives, in a manner which makes it likely the staff members in question wouldn't be able to adequately interpret the full scope of which images others would perceive as inappropriate or not. Covering perspective holes by method of passing by multiple sets of eyes is a pretty standard thing- and definitely seems less prone to blowing up than the alternative, for the situation in discussion.
That said, I think the real concern would be less with content oversight, and more with staff not adequately reviewing for strobe effects, mentally straining color contrast, and other imagery which can be demanding on certain visual perspectives. Of course, just implementing a guideline of 'no more flashy in animation effects or color flare than basic spacecat images' seems a pretty straightforward way of dealing with that.
Finally though, there's always going to be some risk of issue when you force-pop-up random images to people. People get frustrated easily with pop-ups, and triggers can be so uniquely specific that even review-by-committee can't avoid all issues. I'd say a way to disable seeing user images is an intuitive design element..
Though, from a more opportunistic site management perspective, that means it'd make for a rather compelling addition to the list of patreon user options. Then again, as I stated, self-determined images (for your own wins) is already a far more agreeable design choice [than images decided for one's winners], so that'd probably be the more functional way of implementing that element in the donator features.
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Wouldn't it be better not further divide users with visible signs, but unite them with "When this common goal is reached, site adds profile colors, when next goal reached - customizable win gifs for everyone." There are a lot of great ideas here and in the suggestions category, that people would love to see implemented. And this way we are happy twice - by supporting the site we love and by getting functions we wishing for, and you would finally get somewhat rewarded for all the work and time you putting in this site.
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- no ads
- giveaway bookmarks (save giveaways to go back and enter later, including invite-only giveaways)
- official dark theme
- e-mail alerts whenever a new giveaway has been created for a wish-listed game
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As far as additional statistics I think it would be interesting to see stats on the giveaway pages. A breakdown of the entries by entrant's level, entries by entrant's country, entries over time, etc.
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MP system
Custom Profile
Public message on profile
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Emotes, colors, backgrounds, badges, they are all fine and not p2w.
Maybe be able to create more giveaways? since the number is kinda low when someone just start a account? If the guy is already supporting the site, he probably will not create loads of fake giveaways.
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tbh, most of ppl who will even consider donating already have lots of GA slots ;) You would not consider donating to some random website you just found on the internet. If you donate you are probably invested in the community already meaning you already have plenty of GA slots.
Also it could be exploitable - donate 1$ to get a lot of GA slots - use it to make shitload of high profile fake GAs to promote your stuff (like GL game, network, 2website, YT channel etc), then just cancel Patreon subscription, and get banned when you fail to deliver GAs. 1$ for such an advertising would be totally worth it, especially as most of ppl entering will never realize these GAs were fake because they didn't win them.
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The ability to see naked pics of anyone on the site.
I do like the ability to customize profile page, maybe the site layout as well.
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Group video chat - and private chat for higher tiers - with cg.
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Besides, emoticons, font etc, which are not bad, I'd pay good money for extra GA option, some of which are already included on sgtools, but would be nice to have them here, like GAs for people that wishlisted the game and do not have a bazillion games in their wishlist or GAs for people that own less than X games on steam.
Other options not included on sgtools:
GAs for people that played a % of their SG wins.
GAs for people with X number of games from same genre/tag on steam.
etc, etc.
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Can you elaborate more on the issues with Patreon?
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This is good to know, thank you. I hope cg is considering alternative ways to donate, because this one doesn't look good. Using a disposable email addresses (used only for this purpose) would mitigate the risk to some degree, but payment may prove more challenging. Not sure I'd want anything more than my SG nickname associated with a Patreon account. If they want my full name, address etc, I'm out.
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I was afraid of this. I'll need to Google to investigate/verify, but I don't want to have to create a Patreon account to donate.
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I hoped that you just mispelled :(
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Don't like the flair idea? It's one of my favorite things about Reddit :3
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I don't even know what that supposed to mean, really.
and I just like flails :D
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Oh, ahahaha flails would be an interesting addition. As long as Support would get some nice armor and a fast horse to run away from people on, I like the idea! :D
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Hey everyone, a Patreon campaign for SG is in development, which will also allow users to link their Patreon account to our site to redeem rewards. A lot of the code is already up and running for early testing, and ideally it'll be ready to go live in June or July. The difficult part right now is coming up with rewards, which is why I wanted to reach out for suggestions.
We obviously do not want to turn our community into a pay-to-win site, so I would like to exclude any rewards that would give users an unfair advantage, such as a higher chance of winning, or more points. On the list of user rewards so far we have...
Other suggestions that have come up...
Thanks for ideas!
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