Lol, the fastest reply ever from administration :P
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So everything people said is correct then. We are free to do as we please on Steamtrades , even scam others because your bosses decided to allow it by removing Moderators from that part of the site correct ?
I just want an official response and not a comment (even if correct) by another user.
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They where chosen to do a job. So most likely whoever owns the site or someone in his circle.
Not sure why you find such an innocuous statement funny....
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Did you mean "they were"? Dude you can't even Engrish...
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If you are here only to be a grammar nazi then don't expect another response from me.
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Wow, that's childish. I'm not saying OP is a nice guy or anything, but resorting to pointing out flaws in their english is just childish as hell. If you can't think of any argument just don't say anything...
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Well, I don't need to think any argument, because everything is already obvious. OP is whining about another website.
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Oh, I agree with that, but there is no need to start becoming so childish either. Just say nothing then...
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Staff has repeatedly stated that they don't have any powers on ST (as you yourself indicated understanding, in your last thread about this topic). You're either asking for clarification on something you already know [or, if you forgot, could google search yourself (add site:steamgifts.com to the end of your search)], or you're not detailing your question well enough. Maybe focus on that instead of being grumpy and confrontational without even giving indication as to why. :P
Also, your thread was closed due to violating the calling out rule. They don't need to give a reason, as that's a rule which is very clearly detailed within the site FAQ- not only that, it's the very first rule on the guidelines page, so pretty visible, as well.
Use the appropriate avenues for support. If you have an issue with another user, submit a ticket with a user report, rather than calling them out within the community or on the forum.
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We are free to do as we please on Steamtrades
Pretty much, yes.
Currently, that site is self-policed. As in, if enough people band together, they can remove any negative feedback as long as it was replied to. But that is about it.
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No moderator would know if an individual is about to scam someone, no moderator can know what's going on between two traders, there already is a 3 thread limit, an hour bump limit and a rep system that you can check before trading with someone. Please tell us what could the moderators do to limit scamming or what moderation do you have in mind because I don't see the need for any.
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"That would be true for the most part but its not. The problem is this. A scammer uses fake credit card and buys a bunch of gifts. Trades with legit traders and they in turn trade it to other legit traders. Boom. Now they are all scammed. Scammer gets all his gifts revoked. Now you got a bunch of legit traders involved in scamming since they traded or sold copies that get revoked.
So no. It DOES affect legit traders. All the time actually.
The reputation system only works fully when there is moderation. Otherwise people can fake it with a bunch of fake accounts as well. Without moderation this rep stays. Given a few days or weeks , user now has enough fake rep to scam a few people before they catch up."
"It used to be moderated. And scammers where routinely removed asap. Forcing them to abandon their attempts or have to start over from scratch in the rep system. It GREATLY reduced the number of scammers.
Without moderation you get tons of people giving out free coupons and crap bundle games just to get free rep and do a big scam.
With moderation these threads would be removed . Fake rep would be much harder to produce and users would be removed."
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The part with alternative accounts is true, I'll give you credit for that but that's the only thing they could moderate on. As I said above, no moderator can know what went on between two traders so they have no way of knowing what they traded or if they traded anything at all, it would be impossible to check if the rep is legit and not fake.
There's no need for banning each individual scammer, it would take monumental amount of work from any potential moderator.I think the current rep system is good enough as it is, the community have the tools to check and decide if someone is a scammer or not, no moderator should do your own personal job of checking before trading.
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Sorry but I simply disagree. The site was orders of magnitude better when it had moderation. Scammers couldn't get a foothold and didn't last long enough to do any large scams. I am not saying they didn't exist and that scams didn't routinely happen. But nothing like it is now when they have free reign and can act with impunity.
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It was better indeed but the main reason was because it was less popular.
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could you do us all a favour and do the same with this thread :P
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They don't give a shit about ST
Maybe because they're mods on SG and not on ST?
Idk, maybe I'm just being silly.
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But wait man, I was trained on the M1 Abrams.... That means I can fly a F-15 right?? Meh....
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Everyone can fly a plane. Flying is the easy part, landing in one piece is another story. Just ask Harrison Ford.
He can make the Kessel Run in 12 Parsecs but he can't land a plane.
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I do believe he has a point though, a trading forum without any sort of moderation is destined to end up in a scammers paradise.
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Yes I am salty. Ty for pointing out the obvious. My point is still a valid one. Please focus on that. Ty.
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I don't think it's a valid point. You mention in the OP that the mods don't care about ST, but the truth is that they are unable to moderate ST. So maybe the person you should be complaining to is cg for not adding moderation to ST, and not the mods.
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"even scam others because your bosses decided to allow it by removing Moderators from that part of the site correct ?"
I already stated its a problem coming from the bosses/boss....
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I don't work for SG, so I don't know who you mean by my bosses. But I totally agree that there should be moderation on ST, I was just saying that the OP is directed at the mods, who can't do anything about it.
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"even scam others because your bosses decided to allow it by removing Moderators from that part of the site correct ?"
^ Was a response I made in the thread about where the blame is ...
Was not directed at you. Just showing that it was mentioned already.
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Oh I see, I failed to see the quotation marks. I suggest you to add quotes using blockquotes, that makes it easier to read. :) To do that all you have to do is add > at the beginning of a paragraph.
Like this.
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I told you, man, they made steamtrades a different site in order to lower the trade-related tickets and discussions. Still, most traders use multiple trading sites in order to trade and they don't rely on steamtrades only, so you should also consider that. Maybe something will change in the future, but nobody really knows. :/
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Did you a pay single penny for using steam trades? No you didint. Yet you complain. Contribute something,donate then ask for something.
You get to use a free platform and still have fcking complaints?
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I'm very sorry but I just couldn't refrain from posting this.
edit: Keep the salty blacklists coming please lol
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Just ignore him, DontBeSilly is probably the worst person on this site. I don't know if he's genuinely clueless or if he's intentionally trying to piss off everyone he meets, but in any case he doesn't deserve more attention.
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Oh I'm not bothered or annoyed by him. I just posted that gif for the fun of it.
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Doubt it, just yesterday someone stoop as low as making wrong assumptions of one´s being American has a way to reinforce his/her previous statement...Sadly, didnt stop there because edgy teens also need to trow the word "Nazi" around... you would be surprised how insane some of these people are
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Oh, I have no doubt individual posts/threads by other people are worse, but that guy is just so consistent in just never posting anything positive and the overwhelming majority of his posts are some variation of "Your opinion is invalid because you haven't given away enough games". And if that alone didn't make him worthy of PrinceOfJerusalem's gif, his own ratio isn't that great, so he's not just an arrogant prick, he's a hypocritical arrogant prick.
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I have already donated hundreds of games. I also don't see what donating has to do with moderating or allowing a site to be unmoderated and therefore allowing scammers free reign.
Not having moderation in ST is akin to those gambling site owners not disclosing they own the site. It allowed them to profit over it. One has to wonder if that is the situation here as well.
Remove moderation and proceed to scam people. Profit.
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It has to do with the fact that CG deals with his sites as he sees fit. If you would pay him,you could be his 'customer' and ask something back.Now you dont. If he cant/wont/dont want to moderate that site it's his own business. Noone is forcing you to use something you dont like.
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Giving something for free does not exclude you from criticism.
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Yes you are right. But that makes your criticism effectively pointless.It's only as 'heavy' as criticized entity gives a fuck about it.
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Just pointing out that being paid or not, wouldn't stop criticism, has feedback would help making the site better.
Why in hell does ST still exist, if it is to remain complete anarchy...someone needs to let go.
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"donated hundreds of games " ...Where? 0 sent gifts.
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I moderated a bundle site and gave out spares there for months. Don't make assumptions and you wouldn't have to wonder about it.
No I didn't do it on this site. Since that is what you are going to say next to push your own comments from earlier.
Sorry but we GREATLY disagree in our opinions as many others have also pointed out.
Forgive me but until you have something new or different to say , I won't be responding to you.
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It's not about being generous, it's about doing something FOR the site you demand service from. But after you mock the mods of STEAMGIFTS for not moderating STEAMTRADES I'm not even surprised that you don't see these connections :)
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I do. I already help newbie traders as much as I can by providing them the knowledge of most bundle sites, enhanced steam and much more. I have been doing as much as I can already over there to prevent scammers from getting new victims. Doing the job the owner of the site should have assigned someone for.
1 person could easily do it.
Many have volunteered.
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Well, it's not like there is an option for donation.
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Anyone has the right to complain about anything, it doesn't matter if they paid for something or not.
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Yes you can even complain about weather. Do not expect it to make any changes :)
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Well, I wasn't saying anything about expecting changes, just that someone doesn't need to pay for something to be able to complain about it, and that they shouldn't get called out for complaining. :) That's like saying that if you don't donate to SG you shouldn't make suggestions in the Bugs / Suggestions section. Will cg implement the suggestions? Probably not, but people are still free to do them.
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And i'm free to point out that complaining about stuff you received for free is fcking stupid and generally pointless.
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Yes, you are. But to me it felt more like you were trying to silence the OP's complaint.
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Yeah, like getting to a park with your kid, your kid sits on a broken swing, ends up breaking his bones, and you'll be like "Meehhh, the park is free, so who am I to complain?". xD
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Now please explain me what does PUBLIC PARK you paid for with your tax money to do with trading site made by some guy on his probably free time?
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Good answer, but I can also say the same thing about private places with free admission though. :P
Well, let me think. I have whitelisted this site in adblocker, so it's like paying money to cg. Since I have a complaint, I can always blacklist the site again, right?
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You can generally do what the hell you want to do. But so does CG with his site. Coming here and making ruckus about it wont change a thing.
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I always say that I know he can do whatever he wants, but with every action he does, he should also expect a reaction. But yeah, you're right, I'll do it. The ads were pretty annoying anyway. xD
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What about dependents? College students without jobs? They don't pay taxes. If this happened to them do THEY not get to complain? Your logic is outdated by about 600 years.
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They buy shit and pay VAT. Your logic is ...not logic at all.
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With what money? They don't have jobs. They have no income. They're not buying anything because they don't have anything to buy with. That's logic. No money, no purchase. That's as plain as logic gets. If you think otherwise then go try to buy "shit" without having a method to pay and tell me how far YOUR logic gets you if mine is "not logic at all".
I had no idea anyone above the age of five failed to understand how money works to this extent.
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How retarded can you be? They need to eat,they need a way to transport themselves,they need tools to be 'students'. Or are they made of air? Money can be theirs or it can be their parents,they still pay taxes every corner they turn. Do you even know how public services work?
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How are they paying taxes if they make no money and you just said it can't be their parents? https://gyazo.com/a05d04ef7946e60eac31f15eeb3fd749 Where in life did you suddenly lose half your brain function and the capability to be intelligent with it?
You can't pay taxes if you have no money. How can you seriously not understand this? Do you not live in a capitalist country or something? Is this a foreign concept to you?
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Not only do you lack understanding of how money works. But you also lack an ability to insult beyond name calling. So far you only have two names to call, at that. I can send you some yo momma jokes to expand your arsenal if you'd like.
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I think there are 2 cases that are widely different. SG and ST do not have a subscription / donating system, so the only way to use the website is in its free form, which is the only form. If we were talking about a website that offers those things, I think what you're saying would have made more sense, because then you could use it either in its free or paid form. But the people using it in its free form would still have the right to complain, whether they would be heard or not is another issue.
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I'm pretty sure if one would really want to contribute he could contact CG and ask a way to do it. :3 I'm sure two of them would work something out.
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True, but you don't have to do that to use the website. If you don't want criticism from people who are using your stuff for free, make your stuff paid-only and stop bitching about it.
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I;m pretty sure that the least concerned person about all this is CG.
But to be perfectly honest with you i just dont like complainers. They always trigger me:)
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Yep, that's what I was going to say next. You're probably getting triggered by something that cg himself would not get triggered by, so what you're doing is technically pointless. :)
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Easiest solution is apparently this recommendation, which was probably spawned by the very lack of a viable fix.
Ignore scammers, don't get involved with them or in suspicious trade activities much less you're not the town sherif ...
if you're involved, report them wherever you can and forget about the rest. It can't be helped with whats given, enough
scammers to go around and a endless supply of people who will get scammed as they haven't gone the length to check
and make sure first, to at least minimize the risk, that usually isn't a big deal to them. Let them learn their lesson/s.
There is a reputation system ... to brand the worst town rapists and
to make evident who's the ally-merchant® and the regular user.
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That would be true for the most part but its not. The problem is this. A scammer uses fake credit card and buys a bunch of gifts. Trades with legit traders and they in turn trade it to other legit traders. Boom. Now they are all scammed. Scammer gets all his gifts revoked. Now you got a bunch of legit traders involved in scamming since they traded or sold copies that get revoked.
So no. It DOES affect legit traders. All the time actually.
The reputation system only works fully when there is moderation. Otherwise people can fake it with a bunch of fake accounts as well. Without moderation this rep stays. Given a few days or weeks , user now has enough fake rep to scam a few people before they catch up.
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I'd repeat this magic chant lol:
Let them learn their lesson/s.
Going to stick with that - i wouldn't buy from anyone unless i know where they were able to pinch out the pennies for
price their willing to offer. Simple as that - just recently one of those bums added me at random to offer me games
wasn't even looking for at insanely low offers and rather odd suggestions. IDK i have a good sense for bullshit, haven't
gotten scammed once on st.
Best you can do is to point newcomers you interact with to the right direction e.g., so they at least avoid the most common scams. As for the others - don't know, don't care, i'm not a babysitter, and neither are you. You's a good guy for caring ... but you're not doing yourself any favor, with whats given.
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Maybe a little exposure online on a few sites might go further then trying to appeal to them here.
It really seems like they don't care about it sadly. That or they have their own agenda for allowing it.
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Why would anyone even want to moderate that part of the site? It's full of impersonators, scammers and kinds who can't even trade fair.
I'd go even further and say that it would be even better to completely shut it down, or just keep the Reputation function of it. Idk, I can't see a way that it can be fixed at the current stage.
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It used to be moderated. And scammers where routinely removed asap. Forcing them to abandon their attempts or have to start over from scratch in the rep system. It GREATLY reduced the number of scammers.
Without moderation you get tons of people giving out free coupons and crap bundle games just to get free rep and do a big scam.
With moderation these threads would be removed . Fake rep would be much harder to produce and users would be removed.
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Fake rep is being removed anyway, with the review function (afaik).
There is no requirements to create an account, so even if a scammer gets banned he can easily join with another one as it already happens.
And I'll say it again, no one is willing to moderate that poop. The moderators on the site are volunteering and that's what you seem to forget. Have luck finding someone capable who is willing to do so for a website that is filled with scammers, kids, impersonators and a bunch of fake reps.
Let's not forget that the website grew a lot since the SGv2 launch, which contributed to Steamtrades' downfall.
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I will GLADLY moderate the site. I have done the job in other sites already as well.
I have the free time and the desire.
Hear that mods. I will GLADLY volunteer to do the job.
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Your will means nothing and neither does you moderating other websites.
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Just responding to your statements.
There ARE people willing to do the job. Free of charge no less.
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And I am willing to drive in Formula 1 races, yet that does not mean I am qualified to do so.
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Ok. Ty for your info.
Not really sure how you having no experience driving F1 cars compares to me actually having experience moderating a site but w/e.
All I can say is don't give up on your dreams!
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Your experience means nothing, now suck it up and stop whining.
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Sorry you think so. Not really sure why your comments are all tinged with personal attacks but w/e.
Have anything else to get off your chest?
Ironic though. How you are whining about my "whining"....
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None of my comments were personal attacks and even this one isn't.
I am not whining as I straight up told you to shut the fuck up, in case you didn't understand it.
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Lol.
Why are your panties in such a bunch?
Its laughable that you honestly appear to believe you have any power at all to back up your petty comments.
Please feel free to tell me how you plan on making me shut up. I find it insanely curious!
If you didn't understand me. I could care less what you post. But you certainly seem to care what I post....
Stop whining about it and move on is my suggestion before you flip out or something and continue wasting your time thinking you can tell others what they can do.
/laugh
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I can't tell you what to do, yet I can ignore as I will and as will everyone else.
Learn to take a no as an answer you retarded asshole and move on. Go moderate one of those sites that you previously did.
Now, that is a personal attack you inbred fuck.
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nice idea but u need a whole stuff to handle steamtrades, not just 1 or 3 mods... steamgift support still is slow after adding a bunch of new mods - only the rerolls became faster imo...
i worked on several big sites and communities... some with 10k+ and others with 100k+ users... my last place was at SteamCompanion in the beginning/build-up and i moderated the site alone with the creator Nick and i stoped after that because it's not worth my healthiness, more stress than everything else...^^
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I agree with the sentiment of your ramblings and I fail to understand why the owner of both sites chooses to neglect the trading department in the way he does. It almost seems criminal to me. How can you offer a trading environment and provide no support or moderation whatsoever? Steamtrades rep is a well-built up trademark which is slowly losing its entire worth. It's a shame, really. I don't use ST for my trades anymore. The place is a mess.
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Moderate a site to prevent scams or don't moderate it and allow it basically.
Which you think has the most chance to make profit out of nothing.....
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They don't give a shit about ST but will def moderate the crap out of SG discussions
Maybe that's because... you know... they are Steamgifts moderators. Not Steamtrades.
I understand your argument that Steamtrades should be moderated. But blaming the SG staff? Really?
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+1 Sure, they used to be one the same site, but they aren't anymore. One has nothing to do with the other, other then the owner...
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Doubt anyone here wants to moderate that site.
Its has good has done. Why even have rules if your not going to enforce them. now its too late.
it even failed at distancing itself from SG, which would atleast stop people from expecting SG support to do something about it.
but hey!...this threads dont bother me.
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Have you tried not using SteamTrades? Seems like a simple solution but not using the trade site = not getting scammed.
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So many times I have seen people offered this same suggestion. Unfortunately some people think that their whining will provoke more action than what the prior whiners with the same issue got out of it.
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So much hatred in this thread. People telling others to STFU or fuck off or discounting other's opinions because they don't coincide with their own. Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves. Your balls are only big behind a keyboard and I'm going to assume that many of you would tuck tail and hide if you were ever confronted face to face. Quit trying to act like the bad-asses that you aren't.
Wouldn't it be just easier to clink a link to another discussion and move on? Or go masturbate? Or just go?
Steamtrades has been a P.O.S. for quite a while now and I doubt you will see much improvement so get over it. Maybe next time do a search for similar topics instead of beating this dead horse and riling people up again by making yet another topic about it. The statement by the staff and site owner has been clear to the rest of us for a long time. It doesn't need to be re-hashed.
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I used to use steamtrades a lot. It's obviously worse now but it's always had problems with abuse of feedback, scammers and users too greedy or stupid to use basic common sense when making a trade that is clearly too good to be true. Moderation can't prevent many of those problems and often can't fix them - and given the endless backlog of tickets it was effectively becoming unmoderated anyway. I can understand wanting to shift to community moderation as a swifter maintenance-free alternative, although I really can't understand dropping entry requirements that has led to the current lawless alt-account free-for-all.
But regardless - mods here are clearly hands-off now and if I was them I wouldn't want it any other way!
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ST is a bit of a nightmare to navigate... and like every trade site, has sharks. YMMV as with anything :-p Newbies beware - especially with removed games. It didn't take me long to set up a barter account - though that is equally filled with the same sharks but it's easier to match up have/wishlists but several miles :-p
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I guess the mods made their statement clear. They don't give a shit about ST but will def moderate the crap out of SG discussions even talking about it.
Noted.
Ty for being at least direct about it.
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