Is it nice to tease the bots with fake keys?
It'll be funny if for some troll reason one of these actually works.
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Maybe one of them is actually Skyrim, you never know without trying them all. :P
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8C2C9-9ASSH-OLEEN Is this what we call somebody who's being an asshole on Halloween?
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My puzzle seances are tingling but I am too sleepy to work through the various algorithms tonight perhaps if i remember this thread in the morning.
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Is it even humanly possible to test them all this fast? I guess first bot found!
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As I just wrote on another post, bots are fairly irrelevant in these cases, it depends on who sees the page first. Anyone with EnhancedSteam can copy/paste an entire list like that and redeem them all at once on https://store.steampowered.com/account/registerkey
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Except after 10 failed tries in the last hour you get banned and still nobody but bots would do that with these keys surely?
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Take a look closer and "read" the keys. I think you missed the point here.
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Anyone can copy/paste an entire list like that
No.
That is a function of enhanced steam.
Gees, why do people have stuff installed when they do not know what it does...
But yes, even users can copy the keys and redeem them (even 1by1 in the client takes only a couple of second) be it via client or ASF or web or whatever.
But as starwhite already told you, after 10 tries you have to wait an hour when you have only one account.
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How do you use that function on enhanced steam? It doesn't seem i can do something like that
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Well now that Steam started making some improvements finally after mainly adding all sorts of bans for legit users, it's not that far fetched to assume it was them and not some extension. If you open the page for the first time and the button is there, why would you care where it came from and not just happily use it.
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You should read changelogs of stuff you have installed. Or better check exactly what it does, which pages it influences and so on.
If you don't .... I have a good browserextension for you. Makes handling your bankaccounts easier (if all have 0$ on them its easier to remember, isn't it)? ;->
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All my bank accounts already have 0 dollars in them :(
You still live in a world where everyone learns coding to check the sources for every update for every open source software and not just trust that people like you are doing it and will tell others if there are problems. What next, only polite people contacting customer support? :)
Never been infected by anything in the 20+ years that I've used Internet, just using Common Sense Suite protection is enough.
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As I said in my comment before:
You should read changelogs of stuff you have installed.
https://github.com/jshackles/Enhanced_Steam/releases
Thats what I expect of every sane person updating or installing new software.
If you are able to verify these changelogs or look at the commits, thats even better, but not everyone can do that and even most of the people that could do it do not have time for that.
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What people should do and are actually doing are still two very different things and you still think lazy means spending 1h automating a 10h task instead of just not doing it. :)
New software? Always check what features it has.
Software working after update? No need to do anything since it already works and you probably notice any improvements.
Software not working after update? Check changelogs, forums, Google etc for what has changed and how to fix.
That approach has worked very well for me until now, so why change?
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For evaluation if automating a task is worth it I recommend:
https://xkcd.com/1205/
That approach has worked very well for me until now, so why change?
Because if the changelog contains "Sold the project to a shady gambling website." and "Now conveniently monitoring every step you make online to provide better service." You really should notice that ;->
I have to admit, that for most widespread opensource projects it's not that important since any "bad" change will be instantly discussed on reddit/here but nevertheless especially for software that updates not that often you can spent this 3minutes to not get screwed.
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That still assumes you already have the skills to automate something and not have to learn them first.
I noticed that from some forum and found alternatives while at it. Still using it tho because it's the only one with sane way to move xyz sets at a time. On separate browser that's only for that purpose of course, so they can monitor the exact same things as before.
There will be uproar for bad changes in closed software as well as soon as someone finds them. And there are mythical beings online that even read EULAs, not just changelogs. :P
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The gambling stuff is about steaminventoryhelper and not enhanced steam btw. Just before someone gets confused. ^^
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And it needs to be replaced with Steam Inventory Expert if someone is still using the old one.
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I am using steam economy enhancer instead.
Does not have all features, but all I need ;->
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Right, of course I am too but for some reason managed to forget all about it when remembering about the gambling news days. I think Expert was even broken at some point with no more support which is why SIH is still needed sadly until Enhancer gets better trade offer support . Or do you know any alternative that adds x of each item for selected games?
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I don't understand the concept of those keys. If it is really to "tease bots" then why the need for all the insults? Because you know bots don't read it that way and they will not understand it. And the user of the bots won't see it either. The only people seeing those insults are the regular forum users O.o which are not your target.
Unless they are necessary for something something common sense.
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It's just a [x] I checked without that much thought about it on the site that generates them. It also acts as additional level of warning for the humans so they are the exact target, you just interpret it the wrong way.
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Thanks, have some more
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AEEAE-FDSM8-4PCRS
4ACOC-KFUCK-ERJO3
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Each bot can use up to 25 keys in less than a minute. Congrats on beating like... Two from thousands. 😂
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Each bot can use up to 25 keys in less than a minute.
No.
If the keys are valid a bot can take 50 keys in a second and is then banned for an hour.
If the keys are invalid a bot can take 10 keys in a second and is then banned for an hour.
Further, (unless the bots belong to the same network) they do not know if another bot already tried the key and therefore a key is used by multiple bots...
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If I had to script a bot collecting data from this website just to try to activate games, first thing I'd do is a list of used keys along with words that the keys can never have in them, i.e. the profanity words. So more than half of these keys would be automatically rejected. Also, I think botting people create these bots to either scam or do card idling on them to later sell the cards, and there exists a script for bot creation.
You get one bot locked from activating game keys for an hour, program creates a new one/ uses another one. Once the time limit is lifted program keeps using the same bots, but this time all fake keys are already on the list, so it skips them. Not time- efficient program but still a bot.
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first thing I'd do is a list of used keys along with words that the keys can never have in them
Is there an official source that steam is activly avoiding some words and a list of those words?
program creates a new one
And pay 5$ for each bot to start idling the cards? Really worth it I have to say.
uses another one.
Read what I wrote. Not all bots in this world are owned by one person...
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You pay 5USD/EUR you get back by selling the items. Loss is maybe 20-30 cents, if you're planning on making scam bots/idle bots for the most part you profit more than that.
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There is no official source on that but have you seen anyone post their used keys that had any profanity words ANYWHERE at any time in between 10 years? And before you say you need proof, I ask you how can you prove VAC-protection works, there's no official source nor ways told on how it works.
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Did I ever say all bots would be owned by same person? If you're making effort to pick data from the web just to sort it out for the keys/non-keys you sure as hell don't use one bot just to verify that some of the keys are used and some not.
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Loss is maybe 20-30 cents
You can buy nearly unlimited steamwallet with 15-20% discount. So I'd like to see these only 6% loss. Yes, you don't loose 5$ but you lose a significant amount of money. For scambots that doesn't matter, but for idle bots it's not worth it anymore after the recent changes.
There is no official source on that but have you seen anyone post their used keys that had any profanity words ANYWHERE at any time in between 10 years?
Well, have you seen anyone posting his Bitcoin adress with profanity anywhere in the last seven years? Randomly generated stuff is a real bitch. There are 221.073.919.720.733.357.899.776 combinations for steamkeys... Ok, actually a bit less, since there is no 0/O, i/l, etc. but to lazy to search what characters are removed. So even if every person on this planet recieved 1000keys, the odds for a specific key are about the same as winning the jackpot (7 out of 49 with special digit). Of course there are mutliple "profane" keys, but thats still not nearly near an "safe" event.
Did I ever say all bots would be owned by same person?
No. You made the statement "Congrats on beating like... Two from thousands" implying that only two bots from all in existence get banned for an hour by this list, which is plain wrong or rather an unprovable statement, but which has more evidence for beeing wrong, than for beeing right
If you're making effort to pick data from the web just to sort it out for the keys/non-keys you sure as hell don't use one bot just to verify that some of the keys are used and some not
What? The only way ANY keybot can work ist "getting the key from somewhere, trying to redeem it, if the game is owned forward to another bot in the same nework. There is literally no other way to check a key than by trying to redeem it. So assuming a list of invalid keys a botnetwork can exactly try 10*(number of bots) keys per hour. Not one more and not one less.
And that holds true for every network. So a list of 10 keys takes out 1 bot in each network...
So assuming there are really botnetworks parsing this site, then the list above took out 1 bot per network for 10 hours, or 5 bots for 2 hours or 10 bots for 1 hour PER network.
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Bot"network" can have 100 bots simultaneously online and check the keys on all of them if needed at once. So as soon as the key is found, script checks for doubles from the "already used" list, if not, uses those keys on all of them. All 100 keys gone in under 10 seconds after making a post on forum. All invalid keys? Doesn't matter. Added on the "used" list and ready to check another 9 invalid keys per bot.
Well, there are a lot less combinations when you start investigating what they are actually using. They won't tell you exactly what kind of combinations are banned or if any words are not usable on keys, why the hell would they. That's a breach of security if they told some random internet hero their ways of protecting developers. Have you seen keys that have for example -AAAAA- or -11111- or something similar in them? I bet not. That breaks the combinations in far less than the amount you said. Of course 200.000 keys for each game on Steam wouldn't even get close to the maximum combinations, but the chances increase on getting a correct random key for random game with every key a developer creates.
Mega millions lottery also has a really low odds of winning, yet some people manage to win 500 millions. Must be magic.
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And I could paste 10 million fake keys here if I wanted. So you think every bot army owner would make 1 million new accounts in seconds to test them all or what?
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Bot"network" can have 100 bots simultaneously online
A network can have 5000 bots simultaniously online. I don't get your point. Still you got rid of 100*(1/10) = 10 bots...
All invalid keys? Doesn't matter.
It matters for the numbers. If the keys are valid (and for different games) a bot can take 50, for invalid keys only 10.
and yes, out of all bots in the SAME network each key gets tried only once. But there are most likle multiple networks...
Well, there are a lot less combinations when you start investigating what they are actually using
Yes of course. Thats what I wrote as well.
They won't tell you exactly what kind of combinations are banned
I'm pretty sure I read an article about that but I can not find it anymore sure was 1-3 years ago and I am not 100% sure if it was official steam. They only mentioned removed characters and repeating characters. Nothing about any words. What would you even go for? Only english? All languages using latin letters? I have never seen a key with a non profan word either. So all words are fobidden? In all languages and all number/character replacements? I highly doubt that.
That's a breach of security if they told some random internet hero their ways of protecting developers.
What? No it's not. Even if they tell you a shitload of keys that cannot happen, there are enough remaining "potentially valid" keys to prevent bruteforce attacks.
Of course 200.000 keys for each game on Steam wouldn't even get close to the maximum combinations, but the chances increase on getting a correct random key for random game with every key a developer creates.
Peanuts. You have no imagination for big numbers. It doesn't matter if it would take you 100 years or 99 years to bruteforce a valid key.
Mega millions lottery also has a really low odds of winning, yet some people manage to win 500 millions. Must be magic.
No it's not magic, it's statistic. It's just big numbers.
For ONE person to win it takes millenias, but if 100s of millions of people play the chance that SOMEONE wins is higher.
If every steamaccount owner would generate 10 keys each hour and try them out the probability for someone getting a valid key in the foreseeable future is siginificantly higher than 0. That YOU get a valid key is infinitly close to 0.
You should read up on statistiks.
Final words:
NO (single) bot can try out 25 (invalid) keys in less than 2hours.
Probably valve filters words, probably not. BUT not having seen a key with a word is NO proof for that claim...
If you can't even read out a number without googling, then maybe it's big.
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It's 221+ triljard in any civilized language just to confuse some even more.
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Before I got to sleep at night, I check under the bed for bots that steal Steam keys.
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this might be a good idea though. make a post with fake keys to get the bots banned before you post the real keys.
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There used to be a nice website to protect yourself from bots and silent ninjas - http://www.keygiveaway.com/ allowed you to create keydrop, where person had to register via SteamAUTH and reveal the key, this way you were able to see who claimed each key, sadly project seems to be dead now and site is no longer working :(
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So you have to go through all of them and find probable bot accounts? I would assume that's trivial to automate otherwise since every bot already has Steam account.
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I never used it to drop keys publicly - I only used it for group keydrops to get rid of people activating keys meant for group members on alt accounts to farm cards. But keygiveaways supported google captcha as one of options and using it would get rid of the bots ;)
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Well I hope this doesnt sound like self promo or something but the group I am a mod in is doing the same job except manually, feel free to check http://steamcommunity.com/groups/Accidently
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thing is - first of all it's a Steam group, you gotta join the group first (which many people will not be willing to do, because of group spams etc), then it's manually done, which means it takes time. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against your group, but it's completelly different thing. It's like comparing moderated GA groups to SGT - we don't need SGT, after all anyone can create a steam group, manually chewck every person, invite them to group and make group GA. Ofc it is possible, but advantage of SGT is that it doesn't have to be done manually, it's automatic system, which means both creator and entrant don't have to waste too much time to do it, if you have to waste time to create a single GA or to enter it a lot of people will not do it, same goes for keydrops and same was big advantage of keygiveaway - as long as you had nothing to hide and wanted key for yourself it required just 2-3 clicks to get a key, click link, click sign in (only if it was your first time), click claim and possibly captcha. it was done in matter of seconds while at the same time protecting from bots and silent ninjas - and no group doing stuff manually, no matter how good they are cannot get such a response speed and easiness of service.
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of course I do agree thatanything that is automatic is better but I feel very good with what we have been offering for quite some time on our group, it is not perfect but it makes keys that some people dont want, dont care, dont like, playable by some, even by people that havent spent 100$+ on steam. Just thought of sharing it here since you are discussing similar things, in general I don't talk about the group here cause ok, when u donate you don't win anything and I dont want to be thought of someone requesing donations and stuff. Anyway, what you are talking about does sound cool ,and maybe there is a way to share keys automaticlly with gleamio? I think it is called like that! Have a nice day and sorry for having you read all this stuff!
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All keys sponsored by http://www.irrlicht3d.org/pivot/entry.php?id=1527
Somehow the thought of just feeding garbage to any potential bots seems funny to me, so let's try.
Shame there is no way to see what actually happens when or if bots try to activate those and get banned for 1h.
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