How awesome is it that there are games like this ?
You can get a key from gleam : https://gleam.io/i0TWq/relic-hunters-zero
or from nuveem : http://www.nuuvem.com/item/relic-hunters-zero
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Developer posted on the forums that it's intended. They're trying to rake in every penny they can for the game because they came up way short trying to kickstart the sequel (claiming they need $900k just to start it and $3mil to finish it lmao)
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I found another game thats free to play and has card drops and no ingame purchases http://store.steampowered.com/app/409160/
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Grimm still works, though, which I still find shocking. I would think the cards wouldn't drop unless you bought one of the episodes, but no, you get them just for activating the free episode.
EDIT: And apparently the Dr. Langeskov cards dropped at one point in time. You cannot get booster drops or craft boosters until you exhaust drops for a game normally, yet cards and boosters exist on the market. This would put it exactly like NMRIH.
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I have... On 4 accounts. Got cards from the free activation on all.
EDIT: Just began farming on 3 more accounts via friends attached to my ASF. All free activations.
As to the booster crafting, they must have changed that. Then the creator first went live, the stipulation of exhaustion of existing drops was in place. Haven't used it since the winter auction, so I had no idea.
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http://store.steampowered.com/app/252150 only. Try it yourself. It activates both the base and the free EP.1. No purchase necessary and gives drops.
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I'm not comparing to Dr. in this case, I'm JUST talking about Grimm! And yes, it does matter if you purchase DLC as for F2P MMOs, buying the DLC from Steam will NOT grant cards. Example: Trove. Activating FREE DLC is not the same as BUYING DLC. Steam handles them completely differently.
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"I doubt you know what you're talking about because I've worked with the Steam Console and JavaScript"
Oh, do you mean the customizable steamdb.info activation script that relies on the "store.steampowered.com/checkout/addfreelicense" cart? The very page that distinguishes between "free" and "pay"?
Steam assigns flags to each appid and subid to determine what it is, how you are billed for transaction, whether or not the activation will expire, etc. Free full licenses are supposed to be assigned "free on demand", which grants access to the game and any attached free depots, but no cards and no increase of games owned. Grimm and it's free DLC are flagged "no cost", which Steam treats as a $0.00 purchase. This is a granting error and exactly how No More Room In Hell was granting cards in the past, which was changed.
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tl;dr version, Grimm is manipulating the system to intentionally give card drops for the free base game.
What Sighery is saying looks right, and actually for the most part seems to line up with your own comments; I think you two are basically saying the same thing, Sighery is just being a bit more precise about it. :P
As Sighery said, there are two types of free games on Steam: "Free" and "Free to Play". It's pretty easy to notice when you wishlist both types of games, as the two distinct categories show up in the price column.
Free becomes 'Bought' when you activate any DLC. Free to Play never becomes bought, and is based on card drops every (Default: $9) of content purchase.
Free full licenses are supposed to be assigned "free on demand", which grants access to the game and any attached free depots, but no cards and no increase of games owned. Grimm and it's free DLC are flagged "no cost", which Steam treats as a $0.00 purchase.
Really, I think you two are basically covering the same topic :P
Unless you're saying that Grimm's base game+DLC is essentially permanently treated as a 24-hour free game?
Either way, you're both covering the fact that Grimm appears to be intentionally set to give card drops while free, which'd make it a rare or even unique case.
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Problem with that is, again, No More Room In Hell. They now have a soundtrack DLC. Buying it does not grant cards. Same goes for F2Ps, as buying their Steam DLC will not grant cards. It all has to do with API flags.
Grimm is being treated not as a free game, as it should be, but a purchased game, which is not intended behavior. It is not a rare case, it is an error. That is what I have been saying.
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Sorry, not following. Are you saying there's a third.. :glances up: or fourth? free category?
As far as NMRiH, it doesn't appear to have Trading Cards implemented at all (at least not in the regular implementation method, given that none are listed anywhere on its store page) so I'm not sure it's a good example of anything..?
Grimm is being treated not as a free game, as it should be, but a purchased game, which is not intended behavior. It is not a rare case, it is an error. That is what I have been saying.
Right, and Sighery was saying the same thing, as far as I understood it.
His only distinction was that it was an intentional manipulation of the system by the developer (see his link to Tzaar's previous ocmment on that), rather than an "error".
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There are actually quite a few "free" licenses as handled by Steam. "Free on demand" is the licenses assigned to most free games on Steam - these games do not grant library increases as you are not considered to own the game, and since you do not own the game you must find other ways to qualify for cards, most commonly with in-game purchases. "No cost" games are a purchase made at no cost - once activated you are considered to own the license; Steam does not allow "no cost" games to have cards, as the intent of the cards is to incentivize purchase (plus, with the marketability of cards, money from nothing is a tax hazard in many regions), and it is through this loophole that NMRIH originally dropped cards as a free game. Then you have the demo and "free weekend" flags, which also each carry their own account limitations. This is why F2P games bought during early access, or by activating purchased keys, grant drops, - your license is treated as fully purchased and you are granted all the rights of a store purchase. Relic Hunters Zero is a special case: they "sell" the key for free on Nuuvem, and Valve cannot determine if that key was purchased or free as it was not handled by its storefront.
Grimm, and its DLC, should be labeled "free on demand" under normal circumstances. As of yet, I have seen no cases of purchasing DLC grant full drop rights outside of the above mentioned EA loophole. I have seen a single instance of purchased DLC granting a single drop, but for the life of me I cannot find it in my badge library again, meaning it may have been an error and revoked. DLCs have their own licensing... theoretically, they could have their own cardsets beyond their base game as they have unique appids - the only problem there is registering playtime or coming up with a method to allow the drops, but I digress. The only way for Grimm to drop cards would be to purchase a paid DLC and have that purchase switch your license on Grimm from "free on demand" to "Store or CD Key", which signifies purchase, but as of yet I have never seen this behavior; even with Relic Hunters Zero, you have to delete your free license you activate the key and get "Store or CD Key" status.
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Dr. Langeskov, The Tiger, and The Terribly Cursed Emerald: A Whirlwind Heist does not drop cards. I've played it already. You have to create booster cards with gems to get drops...
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Oh, interesting thread.
Looks like a pretty clear basis for why it happens-
Episodic games that ARE buy-to-play for the full game, but have the first episode free.
Steam apparently can't easily distinguish that it's not buy-to-play from the start when it includes the DLC like Grimm does,
In theory, those should be the only games with that evidence the "bug", so it should be a simple matter of cross-referencing episodic games to see which have a free initial episode that acts as the base game.
By Sighery's comments above, and the number of episodic games that don't evidence the quirk, it seems like it'd be a pretty rare (unique?) and intentionally implemented thing, however.
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last time i checked this had drops http://store.steampowered.com/app/344040/
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just google "free steam keys" or "free steam games". Plenty of sites listing when there is a game thats free. Or search for free on the deals section.
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Grimm is the only game that can still be activated free via the store and drop cards (last tested Nov. 21 2016). Otherwise, keep a close eye on https://www.reddit.com/r/FreeGamesOnSteam for profitz.
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Two free games with card drops ATM:
Game | ASF command |
---|---|
Grimm | !addlicense ASF 33694 |
The Descendant | !addlicense ASF 153186 |
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There are more free steam games that drop cards without needing to spend any money , I have heard of them but I'm only aware of one Grimm , if you know about any others please comment
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