+1 ignorance makes me laugh :) I needed a chuckle
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English is my second language and compared to the Americans I'm a fucking dictionary. You have no excuses.
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That is a very racist generalisation about Americans, and you being better at English than other people (regardless of it's their first or second language) does not mean everyone else can or will be. That is an absolutely ridiculous statement.
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race
n.
So by definition yeah, "American" can be defined as a race and as such it is racist to make such generalisations.
At any rate, I do think everyone should grasp at least one language, and most people do. If their first language is something other than English, however, it isn't always easy to pick up a second one so for someone to say "well English is my second language and mine is perfect so there's no excuse for your English to be bad" is smug and ridiculous. Not everyone can have the same abilities, skills, or talents and not everyone can learn something easily just because one person in the same position can.
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I'm thorough and detail oriented, plus the majority of the "novella" above was information copied and pasted from somewhere to inform someone of something and prove a point.
Also, there are several moderately long paragraphs written by other people in this thread alone so I don't know who "everybody else" is supposed to be.
Once again, I don't believe anyone is forcing you to read what I write. Scrolling past it is not that hard.
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Ignore those stupid idiots laughing and whining about your english. I'm not english too, and when someone insulting me because of my second language (english), so i just don't understand that... They are just some little stupid kids, or just idiots... They can't speak my language, or by my language or how to say it, so they should shut the f*ck up... Not everyone is english.
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I bet too. And anyway, I don't think my english is that bad, I heard my english is very good. I am doing some mistakes, it's not my native language, but...
Also, I learned to speak english by myself. I am gamer from 90's, and I somehow learned it from games...
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Nope no mistakes as far as conversation. Perfect man :P
Better than most westerners, you put ' in it's and 90's, most westerners don't even bother with punctuation.
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Lol I'm just having a josh :) I need a laugh. And abstain is the opposite of obtain :) abtain :)
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I like it when it is someone from another speaking background. I like to pick up such things so that you can learn! But, if you are a born Engrish speaker, I just want to poke a bit :)
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Lol at so many comments ;P
p.s. Absinth is one of my favourite words :) it reminds me of this new word I now know, abtain :) ghee hee hee. I hear an punk band called things 'dime' instead of cool so I do that too. All the old kids are doing it
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Yep it's a funny concept even if it was spelled correctly xD
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So ... you also want to know if a game has been bought in Russian or Australian Steam store, to give Russian games only 10 percent credit and Australian games 300 percent?
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Same vs nearly anything bought outside of USA, I overpay compared to USA to buy Fortix,
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How bout.. no.
Also, other then the already pointed out flaws, just the fact that you said "People buying bad expensive games on sale rather then good cheap games on fullprice".
1.) Who/what decides is a "good" or "bad" game?
2.) Who the hell uses steam and buys games at full price all the time?
I see you gave away some sanctum DLC, horrid game, remove your contributor total at once!
Oh trine 2! Hope you paid full price for that now and didnt trade for it or use a 75% off coupon...
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HIB hasn't cost 1 cent since last year, now it is a minimum of 1$ to get steam keys
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I got recently the groupees music bundle for 1 cent, also the humble ebook bundle for 1 cent too. But yeah not any game packs :)
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It's also funny how so many comments are based on me laughing at a terrible idea, because I also dare to make fun of their poor language skills too. I like that most of the other comments are in fact laughing at the suggestion itself. So we're all laughing, except for the people having a debate about racism, when I just laugh at a misspelt word.
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That's impossible. The Steam store isn't the only place that sells Steam-redeemable games. You could get them at GMG, GG, Amazon, just to name a few of the better-known ones. That's not even counting smaller key resellers all around the world. It's not like you can just ask people, either. Most of them would lie.
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I'm pretty sure there's nothing like that available to SG. There might be records of what keys were distributed to what vendors, etc., etc., but they would be on file with the publishers, most likely, and trying to get that information would mean SG somehow making some sort of deal with each and every game publisher that produces the games to have access to that information in a secure fashion and then somehow make a deal with Valve to have access to the game keys tied to every user's account for comparison and then the site would have to be coded to check these things periodically, which would require hundreds or thousands of man-hours just to program, never mind the processing power and bandwidth necessary for performing those functions, and so on, and so on. I think that should give you an idea of what a massively complex, difficult, and expensive undertaking it would be to actually try and implement such a system. It's just not something that could be achieved reasonably. What we have going now is about the best we can do for now. Some people get a little more or less credit than they should, but it's pretty fair for the most part. Yes, people's contribution value is higher than what they paid, generally, but that applies to almost everyone. While people are mostly getting 3-4 times what they paid in value, almost all of them are getting that, so it stays somewhat equal, and people's relative contributions are still mostly fair. It could be much worse.
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These aren't really 'problems' though.
NO ONE buys all their PC games at full price unless it's a new release so slashing everyone's points by 50-75% would do nothing.
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Well if you want to stop this problem, you can be an example for everyone and start buying good cheap games on fullprice and give them away. Also as other people said HiB has a minimum of 1$ not 1 cent. And there will always be people giving away "free" games, becouse they want contributor points without giving away games that they spend money on.
And what will this Abtained Via do ? How will you prove that you didn't buy or buy for example The Ship. It will ask you ? Well everyone will just say "I bough it on steam, not like the other that got it for free from that site.". So yeah you need to think about that a little bit and polish your idea. Right now it's not useful.
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There should be an option "Key" or "Steam Gift"... and if the "Key" option is checked, we should be given the option to enter the key, so when the giveaway ends, the system simply marks the gift as sent and it shows the key like in the developer giveaways.
That would be sweet.
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I don't really care about people getting credit for it, but I am increasingly concerned about keys from pseudo-legal key resellers. One day, Steam might crack down on such keys. I'd rather not risk my account. Basically, I only want to enter giveaways if I know that the key came from a reputable source or it is a Steam gift item.
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Well, they'd be hurting a lot of their customers. I don't think Valve would be that bastardly about SG given items. If you could show on your SG history you were given the item, you yourself are not at fault. You didn't know the item was of perhaps shady origin. And you can prove that via your win here.
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It is annoying seeing The Ship contributors getting $100 per every entry they made to the giveaway (whereas I was so late I didn't get anyway and would've given it to friends not just to get more crap for myself, seriously who exploits charity for this?) the charity had and then entering games whereas I've given away things I've actually bought and have only $42 (well I did buy an indie gala for a giveaway at any rate so I suck too).
Should limit it that you receive diminishing returns on subsequent giveaways of the same item; someone giving away their 10th copy of the ship should get barely a dollar for it.
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Ship is a bundle game, can't go past $30 even if you give away 100 of them. Also, when you activate it on your account it gives you 2 giftable copies.
Are you saying it's bad that people are giving away these extras because that's kinda what the site is all about...
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People are getting too hung up on contributor value and loosing sight of the fact that PEOPLE ARE GIVING AWAY GAMES, FOR FREE.
Other sites, people would try to sell or trade codes. We just give. Sometimes, people make giveaways for the givers. You can make whatever minimum you want. If you think that people have "exploited" $50 worth of stuff, make the minimum $60. Nothing needs to change.
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I agree, go to Steamtrades and people are trying to get something for ANYTHING. Trying to trade Ships or $1 bundles or COUPONS even.
At least people here are giving things away, can we please stop complaining about it?
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+1 people are being pussies about their contributor ratings. It doesn't matter about that stuff at all, the essence of this site remains and the people that use the contributor system are the only ones that need to worry about it.
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Exactly why I did it, to be honest. I gave away Metro after I bought it, then saw those cheap bundles and was like "Fuck yeah. Make someone's day." Sure, the contribution value is nice, but not really necessary.
And besides, the way it stands; Even if you buy a game on sale, you're still contributing it for no real monetary value. (excluding the whole 'omg what if he winz a game!?' complaint.)
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Who cares if the game was bought on sale or not? If there's a giveaway for a game you want, enter it. If you don't want it, "ignore" it with the SG Enhancements add-on.
If you're worried about artificially inflated contributor values, set the contributor value on your own giveaways higher.
Do you think the most generous contributors on this site DON'T take advantage of sales and just buy everything full price?
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+1
I give away the odd bundle item that I have already got.. otherwise they'd sit around unused.
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So, you just want steam to allow seeing account history by everyone?
But true, that would fix (one of) the biggest contribution problem (which are those indle bundles) in 5 seconds - "retail" would be treated as bundle (with 0 contribution value), "gift" as non-bundle (with full contribution).
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The only thing that annoys me is when people exploit free stuff from charities etc. Then when I find out about it later on, if I actually want the thing, it's usually gone. Like the amazon square bundle. Because it was totally exploited and people are greedy. But on the other hand, they will most likely give a lot of those for free on here, which although they paid very little for the keys.. they are still worth stuff. We all want them still.. these are digital cloud based games which have no physical value, other than development/rights/distribution costs. The value for digital product is whatever they can get you to pay for it, since they are fighting the pirates here.. the only way to beat piracy is to give people a better service than the pirates. So that's what is happening with bundles, steam sales, EA 'exploit' giveaway and things like amazon square bundle. It's good for the industry and gets some people that can't actually afford the games, to buy them. Which is better than the people NOT buying the games at all.
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THANK YOU that someone else made fun of this too. Look at the second comment from the top - there's a friggin debate underneath lol
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+1 !!! I don't think I ever.. apart from 2004 when Steam first began for Valve stuffs when fresh :)
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+1 I love the noob bashing. It's such a silly question posted :) it made my day :)
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It shouldn't matter that a game is on sale if they choose to post it here; so long as that game was a legitimate copy, there is no reason to ostracize or diminish its worth. Having such a system is basically telling gifters that they MUST shell out, which is not what Steam gifts is about.
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Exactly, and yet we have this system that limits the worth of a game that is included in a bundle. I'm pretty sure the enjoyment level is the same, and the content of the game seems to be all there, but somehow the monetary value of that game differs from those bought on "reputable" steam sales (Rome: Total War for $1 ring any bells).
If I wanted a game and won it on steam gifts, the end result to me is the same. I got the game I wanted and I didn't have to pay for it. I don't really care how the person giving it away got it. It could be an "exploited" key, bought through a steam sale for 91% off, or something from Amazon's crazy Square bundle. It doesn't really matter. They're prepared to give it away, and I'm prepared to win it for free.
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I love the huge points rush that comes around every couple of months :)
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I agree with the majority; this idea is not only not going to work as you (briefly) wrote it here, but it's not even a good idea as Munmen said "There is no reason to ostracize or diminish its worth."
Question: Is there even a rule stating that getting free copies of games and putting them on Steamgifts is wrong? Certainly many of us agree it is in bad taste, but is it specifically prohibited?
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Well, any game with a key on steam, isn't technically free. it might be given away at some point, but it will continued to be sold after that point.. any 'free' item on steam is not able to bought. Demos, mods, free play games. How can you get a key for one of these types of things??
I got my The Ship months ago on here, from a kind friend on a group giveaway. Likewise, I've been lucky enough to receive bundle games that I wouldn't have been able to play otherwise (missed the bundle for instance). Also when I giveaway a bundle item, it is always from a single purchase of a bundle. It is only when I already have the game from another bundle or purchase. If I could afford to give more I would.. but at the moment, that is the only steam giveaway gift I could afford to give. However, it seems like whoever wins my giveaways is usually appreciative of the game they also do not have and wanted to play and have just won from me.
And it's a WHOLE lot better than the key sitting unused.
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I don't understand what you're trying to say.
"Technically free," sure...everything technically has a cost. I was referring to the massive giveaway (off site for charity) that was giving away keys to The Ship that were won by entrants and then given away on here in individual public giveaways.
The question of SG-Morality is that these people giving away copies of The Ship gave Nothing to obtain the copy and instead received the key for free then turned around and put it on Steamgifts. (Y U ENTER GIVEAWAY 4 THINGS U NO WANT?!)
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Okay, you just added more, but I'm still uncertain as to your point. I don't disagree with anything you just said, so I don't know why you're saying it to me :P
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Well can you buy The Ship on Steam right now for money? So, the game isn't free. I didn't exploit the charity, I didn't know about the giveaway at the time. I wouldn't have got one if I did. However, if I was the type of person to get an extra key, it would only be to give to a friend to make them play the game online with me, or to give away here, to increase the playcount overall. It's a great game and more people need to play it online. So even if someone did get a free key from a charity site which allows you to have a free key. What is wrong with that. You are allowed to have the key. They gave it to you. It has value. You can trade it. You can sell it (not legally but I'm sure some would, you can say ask for a donation to something and then you get the key etc..just saying some people always find a workaround, it's possible). You can instead give it to the legions on Steamgifts... and someone will be happy.
p.s. I just like to make people sometimes go over or question their argument.. even if I totally agree :) but was just answering your question 'is there a rule about not putting "free" keys on steam gifts'. I was just stating that while some keys are considered 'exploited' by the community, it doesn't make it a rule to not put it up. There is no such rule and no such rule I think could be put into effect. Because EVERY item you ever get a steam key for, will at SOME STAGE in its lifespan on Steam (which I hope to be literally hundreds of years.. I have high hopes for this platform, if our human race survives that long) be for sale again. I'm saying that there is no such thing as a free steam key that you can put on Steam Gifts. Every single giveaway is something some soccer mom could buy on steam or some online retailer for WAY more than in a bundle price. Buying it in a bundle is just savvy, just like shopping for bargains at a physical store.
Say you got a bargain at a store, 50 cents for a Nintendo Wii U. It was a door buster sale, only 5 were sold at this price, to get people to come down for the launch and queue up for days. Now, say that person didn't want it and was just trying to make money. If they sold it on Ebay etc, what do you think it is worth? 50 cents because it was that, somewhere, sometime? Or a lot more, because that is its 'perceived' market value?
Again, if that item was bought for 50 cents, then given away in a free giveaway, there would be MANY entrants. Likewise, they would surely feel like the prize has a perceived value of FAR more than 50 cents. Because for these people, it was NEVER available at 50 cents price range.. just like for me, the Amazon bundle, as I am not in the US/Canada.
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It sucks, I understand, that the system isn't perfect.
What's wrong with taking a key from a massive giveaway is that with the current contributor status program (or whatever you want to call it) the person gains higher status for nothing. They entered a big giveaway for a game they didn't want. It is a shady area. I don't particularly care that much. I think it's in poor taste, but people can choose to enter the giveaways or not to.
edit also, I would have been happy to have snagged a copy from the big giveaway and I would have registered it to my account and installed it. I didn't enter the many, many, many giveaways for the game because it bothered me that people obtained the keys and didn't want them. I'm not making a big stink, though, nor am have I started a thread on the forum about it.
edit #2 you keep adding more xD I get what you're saying. I really do. The system isn't perfect.
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But again status on here doesn't exist. Contributor ratings only count to people who bother to set it on their giveaways. There are still plenty of non-contributor giveaways. It's just an option for people that feel that way inclined. As stated above by others also, if people feel that too many people have say, $50-100 contributor value through bundles etc, just set your contributor value to $150-200, if you feel so inclined. That will have the same effect if it is that important to you.
Personally I prefer group giveaways to contributor giveaways.
It's all up to the person giving the item away, so it doesn't matter. Over time, as steam gifts is many more years old and Steam itself is many more years old, there will be so many giveaways on here and items flying around, and people having given away SO Much in their decade or so on here, I'm sure it will be a common sight for some users to set extra high contributor values on a regular basis. It will go up as the 'SG economy' goes through inflation over the years... There is no stopping it. However there will always be people that do open giveaways as well, to see those HUGE entry counts. Others prefer to give higher odds or selective entry, through contributor, group or both. This is all personal preference. I'm just happy this site exists!!
Don't mind me I'm just procrastinating from doing a dj mix :)
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It will solve so many problems in SG:
-People making giveaways on "free" games (HIB when it cost 1 cent, Ship ETC.) and get full credit for it
-People buying bad expensive games on sale rather then good cheap game on fullprice (they get more cont. points for less money)
and much more...
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