So, if you previously bought I Get This Call Every Day and were promised a Steam key in the future, you might not get it, becasue the dev decided that if he discovers you supported #GamerGate you're not worthy of the key.

Sauce

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That's kinda funny though... Going to be a lot more entertaining than the usual "no key because fuck you" method.

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hashtag #icringewheniseehashtags #vomitongamergate #fuckindiedevswithwhitehotsteelrods
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What the hell does this even mean... Uuuuuugh, why does this stupid thing even exist?

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White Knighting intensifies.

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So sick of these idiots letting personal feelings/beliefs get in the way of BUSINESS.

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How does he plan on figuring out who's GG and who's not? Is he gonna go through each game purchaser's Twitter feed individually?

Edit: Oh wait, does he expect these people to go by the honor code? These people he's shat on and rejected? These people he already believes are dishonest shitbags?

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I'm hoping it's not the case, but he might use the GGAutoBlocker list, that blocks anyone on Twitter shown to participate in GamerGate.

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Wait, does that mean anyone who uses the hashtag? Because tons of people have used it ironically or to discuss the issue without supporting GG. So that would be dumb.

Is Twitter how he's handing out keys? I can't see that being the case.

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I doubt it's done by the hashtag. Not sure what rules it uses, but the list exists, and it's the only way I can think of him automating it.

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He's probably just making more of a symbolic gesture, because I can't think of way to figure out if someone is GG aside from Twitter, and I doubt people bought the game using their Twitter handles, right? I don't know anything anymore. This whole thing is dumb.

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I like how he apparently will have the ability to check every person who buys his game. Blockbuster hit right there.

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I would love to lay a monster turd on the face of the whole GamerGate herd, I'll be the first to admit that. And no, it's not a fetish of mine, before some smartass asks me about it. However, it would be generally stupid and dickish to implement this rule he thought up. No, just no, I wouldn't support that kind of thing.

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Everyone who's posting about how upset they are cares, apparently.

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not really...i bet a lot of people are posting because they enjoy watching a good train-wreck

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This is an absolutely disgusting business practice. Everyone who has purchased the game should have access to the steam version with no extra charge. I don't give a schnozzle if you support either side, stop acting like damn babies.

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Wait, wasn't the whole #GamerGate some rant about ethics in videogame journalism because some random "journalist" guy favored some random developer girl in a random review on some random gaming website? What does this have to do with Steam keys?

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It started as a misguided rant due to a mad ex talking shit about a game developer. They believed every word of this, and insisted that it was a sign of corruption in video game journalism, but started by harrassing the developer. As the group became more and more outspoken, they adopted the "ethics in game journalism" slant, which is why a lot of the later "Members" of Gamergate, are solely against ethics in game journalism, while the actual group was founded in harrassment of a female developer, as well as many others. Shit gets flung from both sides, and it's now basically just the biggest online shitstorm.

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The thing is, ever since the perhaps misguided start, real problems have surfaced. The secret mailing list, all the articles that came out on the same day declaring gamers dead etc. That is not how journalists should treat their audience.

Every time we demand answers to our questions, the journalists treat us like garbage or divert the attention by making wild claims about misogyny. Whenever we propose serious criticism, they resort to ad hominims and false accusations to hide their lack of academic honesty and counter arguments.

A lot of non-gaming news outlets have also picked up the story but did not give us the chance to actually say what we have to say. Anita Sarkeesian's face is everywhere, screaming that we gamers are the trash of society. I have yet to see one major news channel that allows a sincere Gamergate member to defend their position. Don't get me wrong, I do not condone harassment. I am just sick of being the plaything of the media.

btw, we are not against ethics in journalism. We are against the unethical behavior and double standard we witness in the media.

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But Gamers are dead. If they weren't, we wouldn't see $5 hats in TF2 and other shitty DLCs that sell in millions...

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I'm certainly dead.

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Anita Sarkeesian's face is everywhere, screaming that we gamers are the trash of society.

This is a lie. She is not saying that, and has never said that. I've watched her videos, and, for the most part, she's focused on the overuse of a few specific tropes in games. To the extent that they target anyone, her videos target lazy developers, not players.

But you're lying about her, either way; and spreading lies about people in order to damage their reputations is harassment, so yes, by repeating that lie, you are a small part of Gamergate's ongoing campaign of harassment against Sarkeesian and people like her.

I expect that these lie will continue to circulate via badly-thrown-together jpegs, growing more distorted and exaggerated with every repetition. Again, the goal is not to spread information; the goal is to harass someone who has attracted Gamergate's ire by blackening their reputation through whatever distortions and exaggerations they can get past the radar.

Likewise, your comment about the gamers-are-dead articles is a lie. They did not come out on the same day. One came out first, then the others replied to it. Most of them were discussing the evolving nature of "gamers" as an identity, and (while I didn't like the language all of them used) they were not, generally, dismissive of actual flesh-and-blood gamers so much as they were dismissive of a particular ''stereotype'' of gamers which I think we can all agree is better put to rest -- they were saying that gamers are, on the whole, more diverse and more complicated than the image usually associated with the term brings to mind.

The so-called secret mailing list was likewise not an ethical breach (and was no more 'secret' than any other mailing list); numerous industry commentators have explained, many times, that such mailing lists are commonplace among journalists across all industries. In this case I tend to think that the lies are intended to be manipulative rather than just a form of harassment (in that lying about these things lets you push a particular narrative), but the effect is the same.

The ''core'' of Gamergate, as you can see based on the targets it chooses, is opposition to feminism; it is based around an conspiracy theory in which feminists and Social Justice Witches are secretly trying to use gaming to advance their sinister agenda, or something along those lines. I'm sure that if you buy into that conspiracy theory (and accept the lies I noted you were repeating above), it looks like you are heroically fighting for ethics against a world where all your ideological enemies just so happen to have formed a vast common cause and engaged in sinister practices in order to manipulate you.

But from an outside perspective, it looks like you aren't driven by ethical concerns at all, so much as emotional annoyance at people like feminists and Social Justice Witches who keep saying things that piss you off. That's a fair thing to feel, but you need to recognize that your willingness to accept so many dubious things stems from your heavy emotional reaction to what people like Sarkeesian are saying -- not any real sense of ethics. This is why, when outside observers look into the mess of lies and nothings that Gamergate considers the crux of its ethical crusade, they inevitably come back shrugging. Absent your intense emotional desire to jab feminists and social justice witches in the eyes, there's simply nothing there.

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I've already forgotten which side of this idiotic Gamergate kerfuffle is which. There's so much wrong with both sides that they just need to stop.

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It's their own funeral!

Get the pitchforks!

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I'd get my money back no matter what game. Fug dem. Fug dem rl gud.

Especially after this: "Note: I have been alerted to this Facebook post: https://archive.today/v66bM. This could be construed as a promise of a key for anyone trying to weasel their way to a fraud accusation, so I offer the following amendment."

Is there any other way to interpret "previous owners will receive a Steam key"?

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Friendly reminder :
There isn't a single rights or concern movement that DOESN'T have extremists within their ranks.

Whether a movement was founded from a faulty notion or a true genuine positive concern is irrelevant. Over time, any group of suitable size will gain both positive and negative aspects. Yes, the negative should always be held accountable for their actions, but the positive should be allowed a voice provided they have the same base tact and consideration we expect of our own peers.

If a point stands on it's own, disregarding it based on ANY denomination, be it race, gender, sexuality, age, affiliation, or belief, that is discrimination and you are ultimately betraying your cause with your bias.

I cannot speak for #GamerGate and what they stand for, both as a unified group nor as their 'lesser element', but to deny somebody equal treatment based on their affiliation to a non-hategroup is in itself discrimination. Just as many criticisms of #GamerGate may be entirely valid, so too does #GamerGate raise compelling subjects worth discussing. To deny a group on this level is akin to denying people because they are Scientologists, or to a lesser extent Pro-Lifers or Peta Supporters, as they too have checkered pasts with their 'lesser element' doing horrible things.

Remember : Intolerance wears many disguises.

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PETA is the absolute worst.

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Yep, but like most other groups, they have a good common base interest that everything else was built on top of. It's just when you start adding lots of people into the mix that things start to get a bit wanky.

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https://twitter.com/davidsgallant/status/539833829809455104

This guy is just a gift which keeps on giving. I'm really happy about Desura putting him in his place, good for them

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To be fair, sinking to his level by letting their own professionalism sag a little isn't really the way to go forwards.

A straightforwards "We at Desura do not support the notion of segregating your services based on affiliation, and must warn against this behaviour" would have sufficed. The trouble with lashing out in any form is that it often only gives ammo to these people. People who believe they are making a stand against bad behaviour seem to have a stronger tendency towards confirmation bias, meaning that no matter what you say, they are more likely to see what they want to see, and more likely to disregard what contradicts their opinions. Lashing out might temporarily make you feel a bit better, but you do so at the ultimate cost of only feeding the self-righteousness of such divisionary behaviour.

Having a strong opinion is no crime, but happily over-generalising groups and then using it to form conclusions on entire denominations of human beings is absurd. I can't support his behavior, but I also don't see it has an atrocity. While people may appreciate his conviction and the more blinkered folks might blindly support him for being an "ally", game providers will be more wary of him due to allowing his personal, political / social values have such a heavy bearing on his business sense. People who do this tend to repeat such mistakes, and eventually not in small ways.

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I don't see how this might turn out to be any good for him, he's only hurting himself in the end. Just a bad business decision no matter how you look at it. Also maybe less relevant but i just scrolled through his twitter feed a bit, his whole attitude is really childish and immature for someone of his age

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Don't get me wrong, his decision was totally a bad move. I'm just saying that with the way the 'gender wars' thing goes, both sides will be busy spinning this to their own narrative as hard as they can, and any coverage will likely be heavily against GG. I was saying that it's something of an "I can do no evil" mentality that people get when it comes to these subjects. A big enough hugbox can make you feel immune to criticism, and yet businesses and retailers (despite often nodding along and agreeing with whatever is the popular opinion of the moment) will be taking notes on his behavior, recognising him as a huge liability that they will think twice about ever dealing with. Phil Fish for example, will probably find it hard to land a place anywhere but as part of a larger coding squad rather than as anybody of authority in a project, y'know?

For example, the entire Paranautical Activity thing was pretty crazy. In one hand, the tantrum alone was highly unprofessional and enough to make most retailers frown and consider punitive action, in the other, what he did clearly wasn't a death threat. For a death threat there has to be a clear, direct and serious threat towards someone's life. If someone is having a capslock tantrum and says "I WILL MURDERISE THAT MAN" during halloween, while it implies a form of death threat, it is blatantly not an actual death threat. I don't think Valve was necessarily wrong in taking down the game (initially), but to call those tweets a genuine death-threat is absurd. You can set a standard and act on premise without hiding behind a dressed-up accusation. Even had the game not been pulled or the dev not punished, people in general were suddenly made aware of his immaturity and unreliability. That sort of thing sticks for a long time. It'll have the same effect with this guy and his "no keys for this group I disagree with!" moment. Sure the degrees and forms of immaturity and unprofessionalism are worlds apart in my examples, but people take note all the same.

It just really seems like he has sunk way too far into the SJW part of anti-GG stuff, and is unable to separate himself from it. It's easy to get into a sort of TV-Tropes style directional funk, where you start with one small equality issue then find yourself totally swallowed by a mass of biased media, and then end up outraged at "the enemy" and unable to disengage. I assume this goes the same for the pro-GG people who get into similar combative social media frenzies too. A case of wanting so badly to fight a form of inequality directly in front of you, that you kinda forget to check for the inequality everywhere else around you. Once a person feels they have a good cause to fight for, it can be hard to dissuade them so long as they have a demon to hunt (and every group has it's extremists, social media just makes it easier to come under the impression they're the majority).

Aaagh, crap, sorry. I'm going way off subject here. Damn, am I being a hypocrite here? The entire equality issues subject really gets me fired up, so it's probably hypocritical to call that guy out on it, but my version of "fired up" is often an extended form of frustration that nobody is having an honest dialog and everybody is resorting to character assassination and trolling.

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It just really seems like he has sunk way too far into the SJW part of anti-GG stuff

Oh yeah, i'm not going to dispute that, it is pretty obvious at this point (and from what i can see, he doesn't really have a history of being clear headed in these things).

But just the whole concept of taking the twitter this seriously as he does is a pretty stupid idea in my book

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I'm just going to mention that you can actually find his phone number on his website. He's just full of good decisions.

If you want to laugh, I'd also give "Video Policy" a read.

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You should read your own links. The second one explicitly says that he'll give a key to everyone who supported the game (and it was from two days ago, before you made your post, so I don't know what you were thinking.)

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Doesn't it say towards the end that he's cross-referencing his purchase records with those of twitter accounts he finds have supported GG? Directly after he underlines that steam codes were not part of the purchase from sites away from steam?

What it boils down to is that IF he can snoop you enough to find you have supported GG in some way, you will not have a steam key sent out to you. The appears to be him rationalising that it's not fraud, because it was only a verbal promise of a steam key if you supported the game with a purchase outside of steam. This basically boils down to "My denying GG supporters steam keys is not illegal, no agreement was signed, it was a verbal promise I can retract as I see fit".

While this may technically be true, it's still douchey. I could entirely understand it if his move was more "If I snoop you and find out you supported the people in GG that have been harassing, trolling, sending death threats, doxxing or revelling in the suffering of others, you won't get a steam key", but it's as vague as "Support GG = no steam key", using a lack of contract beyond the verbal promise to claim immunity against claims of fraud.

Please, correct me if I'm wrong. I only re-read it skimmingly, as I've burnt out on all this needless venom around the subject for tonight. xP

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From the looks of it that "game" should be free.

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