I have a question for all of you and you guys have helped me a lot in the past. I am writing a proposal at the moment for a psychology study to look at visual attention based of video game genres.

Currently, I'm trying to find out what is the formal or commonly referred to name of the genre of games which are attack, counter and parry heavy.

Examples of these games can be:

Assassin's Creed franchise
Shadow of Mordor
Batman Arkham franchise
Mad Max (ground combat, not vehicle)
Witcher 2 (I'm assuming Wicher 3 as well but have not played it yet)

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Third person Hack and Slash/Action games or RPG in the case of Witcher 2

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Thank you ^,^

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While i would probably choose the same attributes to describe those games: Apart from the "third person"-aspect, this could also refer to games like Diablo or LoL and those have a completely different block/counter/parry mechanic.
It becomes harder and harder to differentiate between all those video game genres, so i don't really know if there is a satisfying answer. Maybe there are other ways to differentiate between them?

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You stole space kitty

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We used to call them Action Adventures, no? Witcher is an Action RPG. Ninja Gaiden and God Of War would be examples of Third Person Hack n Slash.

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I thought adventure games were exploring/puzzle solving?

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Sure, that's Adventure games. Action Adventure is a completely separate category. ;)

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Well games like Batman in my opinion are too much focused on action to be called an adventure game.

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I see your point, but the action is... easy. And there still is a lot more to do than fight. Would you put the Arkham games in the same category as Ninja Gaiden Black?

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I don't know that game, but from the first youtube video that came up in the search looks like typical hack n slash.

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In a way, yes, it's a very canonical game. But its focus is 100% on action and it's very hard to play. You take the action out of it and you got a bunch of cutscenes left. You take the action out of Arkham or AssCreed and you got... a slightly boring interactive movie and a collectathon game. Not quite the same. See my point? Of course I don't expect you to agree at all costs.

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I don't know. It's not like Deus Ex or Splinter Cell, where a lot of the time you can play through without spilling blood.
There are action movies. But in my country not everything is mashed into action category. For example, Rambo, True Lies, Die Hard and similar movies are called "battle" movies, and tag "action" is left for movies like Speed and similar.
So to me adventure games compared to action games are like action movies compared to battle movies.

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Then following your country's classification, the games in the OP are "action" games and Ninja Gaiden is a "battle" game. It's not necessarily about being able not to spill any blood, more about having anything else to do apart from spilling blood. ;)

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You're tearing me apart, Lisa!

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I am known for occasionally doing that. :]

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depends who you ask. I've always considered adventure games to be a genre that includes "point and click adventure games", "text adventure games" (nowdays more commonly known as "interactive fiction" which really could apply to any game, but hey so could role playing game) and anything else similar. Grim Fandango, for example, is an adventure game but doesn't involve pointing and clicking... most gamers I know would agree with the definition
but on the other hand, take a look at Steam under "adventure" (assuming you can find it hidden amongst the overdose of VR) and you'll find GTA5, Far Cry, Fallout 4 and many others that have little or nothing in common with the adventure genre. not just a flaw in Steams tagging system either, many retailers make the same mistake

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I would say point and click type of games (like Syberia or Myst) are adventure games, but adventure games aren't limited to point and click games.
As for Steam tags - they're rubbish. Looking at some tags I'm not even sure who assigns them.

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That's point 'n' click. Action-adventure used to be the general category for these third-person action games.

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Yes, the likes of Tomb Raider. But are the games listed in OP?

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Assassin's Creed is almost the quintessential example for action-adventures.
Shadow of Mordor is again a good example. I can't recall if it is also a hack 'n' slash or not.
Arkham is a difficult question, I often see it classified as hack 'n' slash. It's a hybrid, so you can call it many things.
And finally, the Witcher is an action-oriented cRPG that manages to not venture into the ARPG territory.

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So you would say that Splinter Cell is action-adventure as well?
I haven't played Shadow of Mordor, but I was under impression that it was something like hack n slash with RPG elements.

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Spilnter Cell used to be stealth game. While it is a sub-genre of action-adventure, since that genre encompasses a ton of things, stealth games are now classified as their own group.
Later it was either a TPS or action-adventure… I honestly stopped following the series when it switched to action focus.
As for Shadow of Mordor, I don't think it has more RPG elements than, let's say, Borderlands. Maybe even a lot less.

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I had exactly Borderlands ( in mind when thinking about Shadow of Mordor - I imagined it like BL in LoTR setting with a bit bigger world.

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I never played those game, does Action Adventures means Action Game with exploration or backtracking? (Metroidvania?)

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I would say it means a game where action is central but plot, exploration and non-fighting activities are still relevant. For Metroidvania I would go with 2D action platformer so no, not the same thing. ;)

This discussions is starting to sound like it belongs on Pitchfork. :D

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I don't think such a fight mechanic is defining a genre (at all).

The ones mentioned happen to be RPG-ish, but the description of what you asked
for would also apply to arcade style fighting games like streetfighter or nidhogg for e.g..
I'd say it can even apply to some card games.

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So would it be best if I classify those games under action adventure then?

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Games like Tomb Raider or Zelda would be included in that case, too

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TR is, Zelda is JRPG. TR doesn't have any levelling mechanics and the inventory system, where it is present, is totally different as well.

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Action-Adventures don't have to have levellling mechanics and at least the zelda games I've played weren't jrpgs (no levelling mechanics for example). Of course : It's an RPG Made in Japan, but to me JRPG's are more like Final Fantasy.
Both are nevertheless action-adventures.

Anyway, what I wanted to say with my comment was: Action-Adventures include a variety of games, that do not only include games like the ones mentioned by OP. So it might be too inaccurate for him to classify them like this

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That is… strange. The only non-JRPG Zelda game I can recall is the recent Heroes of Hyrule or whatitsname, because that is a hack 'n' slash.

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I just looked at wikipedia now and they just classify it as action adventure . But you can certainly go into detail.

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And the funny part is that yet it is listed here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Japanese_role-playing_game_franchises And apparently its creator also considers the franchise a JRPG, although that article has only a small line on that, and it could be a simple translation simplification.
Yet what you wrote seems to be the more popular opinion indeed.

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Well, it has this open-world and rpg ("level-up": you can at least improve your life and weaponry) gameplay. I don't think that classifying it as jrpg is wrong - it's just not what most people think of, when talking about jrpgs(imho). I personally find it hard to draw a srict line between all those genres and descriptions. Many of whom were invented when there far less game-releases per year.

Furthermore: I'm not exactly sure, what OP's plan is, so it's hard to give a good recommendation on how to differentiate between certain games. An important point seems to be the fighting mechanic, but then diffenriating in terms of classic genres seems to be unfitting.

I don't know. Did this paragraph make sense? I'm pretty tired :D

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Don't worry, it did. ^_^ The only thing I may add that since OP listed only Western games, it is easier to make comparisons to other Western ones. Japanese/SEA-made games are often requiring their own categories.

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The fact is everyone refers to Batman Arkham series when they think about that genre, so they always just say "combat system like Batman".

I would say that "Third Person Hack 'n' Slash/Action" (by SirIroMaiden) is a good definition, but to make it clear, you should say "à la Batman Arkham Asylum". That would make everyone understand what you are talking about, except for those who never played the Batman series.
They occasionally have Stealth and RPG elements, but I don't think they are crucial to define the genre.

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Arkham is third-person brawler/platformer/stealth by mechanics. Hack 'n' slash may cover it, although I think there is too little emphasis on random combat for that.

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As others have pointed out it could be Hack & Slash, ARPG, Action/Adventure, even Fighting or Beat 'em Up/Brawler depending on the game. Also consider titles like Chivalry: Medieval Warfare or Warhammer Vermintide and where they would fall. It doesn't seem like the criteria you have set is going to fit neatly into any one defined genre.

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The games would fall under 3rd person action (or action adventure) with several of them containing stealth game mechanics. The actual difference between the types of games you listed and other 3rd person action adventure games (Resident Evil, Diablo, Super Mario 64) is the focus on the close combat system which can be termed whatever you deem appropriate (active counter combat system perhaps?)

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Action, hack + slash, brawler.

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Ohh, I would like to know how you guys category them in standard Genre too, this would help me write description better.
Genre nowaday really confusing I would say, especially RPG one. So does RPG mean the progression system (level, item), create-your-character/story or You are 'Character' in the game (then again most game now have story in it), or whatever that justify RPG genre?

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I wouldn't call mere progression an RPG - you have to be able, as you progress, to shape your character in different ways, which would result in different abilities and possibilities.

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The names of the genres can be very misleading. RPGs mostly refers to games with (a) customizable character(s) (i.e. being able to choose what skills, clothes, weapons, ... they use) in a narrative world (the story is important). It's a very broad term that envelops a lot of games. Game genres, like music genres, also tend to be very subjective, they depend on how you look at the game.

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Thank you, both of you.
So the RPGs mostly are not based on the mechanic, but the content, especially on Story.
Heavily Story based (experience as) > Customize (Must be named character or your created character) >

Because my game I missed the last part (not much focus on story).

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It's Story + Customizable character(s). They are both equally important.

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RPG used to mean role-playing, as in actually putting classic pen-and-paper RPG adventures into video game format, but in general it means a game where mechanics greatly rely on character and/or item levels. Later the cRPG genre put a focus on the story aspects of role-playing (choices matter or at least they are offered to incluence the outcome of something), but with the emergence of 5th-gen consoles, the ARPG pretty much took over and made cRPG almost extinct in favour of simple fight-only games with little focus on storytelling.

The problem is that nowadays many games have some sort of levelling system and people just want to drag the RPG genre onto them. This is why you can see some people calling Borderlands an RPG (it's not, it is an open-world shooter). Or heck, CoD. Or LoL. Or Destiny. Or Titanfall.

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"attack, counter and parry" are more like a game mechanic rather than a genre. But then, sometimes a genre is defined with the mechanic of the game (like FPS, or platformer).

IMO, the gaming industry have a very broken way of defining game genre.

I recommends watching this video. It talks about game genres.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uepAJ-rqJKA

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The fighting mechanism itself not defintes a genre, but all of the mentioned would fit into action-adventure, or similar category, or you can label them with RPG as well - RPG is such a lazy definition nowadays that you can tag it on almost anything, everyone interprets it differently :)

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I would call it Open World Action RPGs

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This is of course subjective.

But these are actually all 3d/fp action games as I see it, with heavy combat elements.

Games that have combat as the primary feature and you end up playing more than half your hours on doing combat with so much heavy button mashing, are pure action hack n slash games in my book (and a genre I personally almost loathe).

However the Witcher franchise is probably one of the very few exceptions to the rule, since it tries to balance many things including story rpg elements and even open world (especially in 3rd game not so much in the other ones). However you still end up doing too much combat in these games too. So it's a hybrid of the two genres as I see it. Something in between. The rest of the games mentioned are much more toward the hack n slash type of action games, don't expect rich stories in those. You literally only play them for the action/exploration part.

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Assassin's Creed franchise

Action/adventure

Shadow of Mordor

Action/adventure

Batman Arkham franchise

Action/adventure

Mad Max (ground combat, not vehicle)

Not played yet

Witcher 2 (I'm assuming Wicher 3 as well but have not played it yet)

CRPG

While all of them are 3rd person, have strong action elements, and character progression, I feel that only The Witcher 2 puts a heavy emphasis on the RPG element, where it's deeply entwined in the core gameplay. For AC, even AC Unity which has exp-based character progression, Shadow of Mordor & the Batman games, I don't feel that the RPG-elements are a core part of the game, and removing it would not greatly impact how the game works.
So I don't think you can lump together these games. You can probably apply "action" to all of them, but it will be action-something, not just action.

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Mad Max is open-world action.

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Action Adventure besides Witcher 2 which is an RPG.

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+1

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You're talking about the combat system, not the genre. Usually action games have similar mechanics

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I have Batman Arkham filed under "Stealth"

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I always thought that Batman Arkham Asylum was closer to a 3D metroidvania than anything else. But Arkham City is more of an open world game.

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If I need to use one word then I go with Action (exept witcher - RPG).

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I haven't played Mad Max or The Witcher, but the others are very similar. I'd probably call them hand-to-hand combat/climbing adventures

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Third Person Action/RPG. To me, nothing even close to adventure.

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I'd call them third-person action. Hack and slash makes me think of games like God of War.

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if you had to throw them into a bucket I'd say they fit Action adventure

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Personally, I would put AC and Batman franchise under the "action stealth" category :)

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