https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/System_Shock_2%3A_25th_Anniversary_Remaster
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Yea, I just heard about that yesterday. Terrible stuff. That said, we're not supposed to talk about such things here.
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He said “You've lost my business. Anyone who supports this monster deserves to go down with him.” in reference to a decision to boycott a company.
He didn't say anyone deserves to get shot.
Intentionally misquoting someone to push an agenda is not cool.
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Thanks for clarifying/correcting. You are a good one 💙
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Constantino wrote "No one should have to die and sacrifice the happiness of their family to run for office." after someone tried to shoot a presidential candidate in the head.
Using vague language like "go down with him" after a murder attempt is infammatory. I don't believe I'm misquoting it, I did not use quotation marks and was paraphrasing for brevity.
If Kick's tweet was so clear and innocent then why did he delete it, requiring you to link an archive?
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If Kick's tweet was so clear and innocent then why did he delete it, requiring you to link an archive?
Because he realised that it could easily be misunderstood exactly the way you are misunderstanding it. So deleting it was the right choice.
But if you care about inflammatory posts, go no further than three steps back in this discussion tree.
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Maybe because MAGA supporters were hostile toward him and wanted to burn him alive?
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I'm not able to verify if that genuinely happened or if it was a false flag, but if it was removed out of self-preservation and not genuine remorse for telling people they deserve to "go down" for lamenting assassination attempts, it's not elevating my opinion. Why not just admit he had bad tact cutting of business ties with someone for putting out a PR message the week a presidential candidate dodges a bullet?
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Your misrepresentation of Kick reminds me of the way MAGAs intentionally misrepresent Kimmel these days.
It's amazing how the one side constantly degrading and dehumanizing others, is seemingly so very desperate to be some sort of victim themselves.
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Kimmel isn't related to System Shock so I don't want to pivot into discussing that topic.
I will say I believe Kimmel is a complex and interesting human being and I don't want anyone to hurt him.
I wish him the best at Comedy Central where he got his start.
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You said he was "saying Trump supporters deserve to get shot". That's not paraphrasing. That's putting words in someone's mouth.
Saying he's "using vague language like "go down with him" after a murder attempt is inflammatory" is just like, your subjective opinion, man. It doesn't mean whatever interpretation you have going on in your head gives you the right to put words in someone's mouth claiming they said anyone deserves to get shot. You made that up.
Constantino in his tweet said things like: "I support Trump." and then said "kind-hearted, compassionate people support Trump" and "awesome people, all over the world, love Trump." which, IMO, is an egregious misrepresentation of the Trump fanbase or at the very least a weak attempt to whitewash them (that's just my opinion tho).
https://x.com/stickermule/status/1812280776362168539
Kick's response was to Constantino's support for Trump. This is not vague at all. He clearly mentions "anyone who supports" Trump as the issue here and is clear about the consequences being "lost [...] business". Not anyone getting shot. People just like yourself are trying to twist his words tho so it's very unsurprising it got deleted.
If someone supports Trump I don't want to do business with them either and I hope their business "goes down" too. It's not that deep.
Funny how all these Trump supporters have done a 180º on cancel culture and free speech these days....
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putting words in people's mouth is if you use quotation marks - if I'm representing something in my own words it is paraphrasing - paraphrasing can sometimes be seen as being apt or missing the point - I don't know if there's one absolutely correct way to interpret it - I think there are multiple ways and the OP is free to do a followup statement addressing the deleted tweet to explain what he meant if he wants to
How we interpret what we read is always a subjective opinion - we definitely have the right to interpret vague language according to our true beliefs and to communicate that assessment to others.
is clear about the consequences being "lost [...] business". Not anyone getting shot.
The phrase "go down with him" implies suffering an equal fate. Had Kick just severed a pre-existing business relationship with Trump? Is that what Kick is comparing StickerMule to?
SM made this statement after a bullet winged Trump's ear - why on earth would Kick use ambiguous phrasing like "go down" when something like "lose business" or "go broke" would have been clearer? Why did he not subsequently clarify this?
Cancel culture is about digging up ancient social media posts and holding it against them forever, rejecting apologies, etc. I'm talking about something he said a year ago and hasn't apologized for even after rhetoric like this promoted stochastic terrorism resulting in Kirk's murder.
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Claiming that someone said something they didn't say is putting words in someone's mouth. You can't just try to gaslight me making up your own definition for things.
Claiming "OP is free to do a follow-up" to excuse your wrong take is more manipulative behaviour.
The phrase "go down with him" does NOT imply suffering an IDENTICAL fate (getting shot) but implies a RELATIVE one (losing business). Use your brain. Trying to twist it the way you are is disingenuous and, again, manipulative.
why on earth would Kick use ambiguous phrasing like "go down" when something like "lose business" or "go broke" would have been clearer?
HE DID! He said "you've lost my business" and you turned around and said he's "saying Trump supporters deserve to get shot", which was NOT said. He explicitly mentioned losing business. This is not subjective. And if you think the phrase "go down with him" is so ambiguous, that is all the more reason to NOT make a statement concluding what he meant.
If you are so confused about what was said and have to ask so many questions or make speculative judgments based on what was NOT said (like saying he "hasn't apologized"), DON'T MAKE ABSOLUTE STATEMENTS ASSERTING WHAT OTHER POEPLE SAID. Calling it "promoted stochastic terrorism" is pure fantasy you made up in your head by believing your own speculation and flawed logic.
YOU LITERALLY DUG UP SOMETHING FROM A DELETED SOCIAL MEDIA POST and said "I wont be supporting any more products from NightDive until they fire their studio head".
This is EXACLY what you are doing:
Cancel culture, also called call-out culture, is a cultural phenomenon in which people criticize an individual thought to have acted or spoken in an unacceptable manner, and call (typically over social media) for the target to be ostracized, boycotted, shunned or fired.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancel_culture
Again, you can't just try to gaslight me making up your own definition for things.
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The phrase "go down with him" does NOT imply suffering an IDENTICAL fate (getting shot) but implies a RELATIVE one (losing business)
I believe it is possible for two people to honestly perceive/feel/inuit two infer different implications from the same phrase. I'm sure there are similar examples like this where right-leaning rhetoric is seen as more threatening by some than others, I was recently told by someone they think "woke" carries as much hate associated with it as "nazi" which confused me, but I'm trying to keep an open mind about this being a possible relative semantic truth.
The context here is that someone lost business for making a statement the day of a shooting that politicians don't deserve to die - cutting off business ties for something so innocuous is easily perceived as being supportive of the shooting. If that's not implied, more clarity is needed, which is why if he made clearer statements later on I'd like to read them and learn more clearly via his own words what he is for and against.
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it is possible for two people to honestly perceive/feel/inuit two infer different implications from the same phrase
My point is you have no right to make an absolute statement about someone's intentions as if it were fact when it is clearly just your own interpretation. That's irresponsible and dishonest.
Kick was very clear that this was directed at "anyone who supports this monster" clearly in response to this:
Constantino in his tweet said things like: "I support Trump." and then said "kind-hearted, compassionate people support Trump" and "awesome people, all over the world, love Trump."
If you need more clarity that's all on you.
You have no right to be putting words in someone's mouth because YOU are misinterpreting something that is painfully clear.
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you have no right to make an absolute statement about someone's intentions as if it were fact when it is clearly just your own interpretation
It's inherently assumed that any statement we make as people is our opinion and interpretation.
Putting -words- in mouth is done via quotation marks. It's the difference beween "jacknash said 'Kick was very clear' today" vs "jack believes Kick was extremely clear"
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saying someone said something is putting words in their mouth. i'm not debating this with you anymore. if you were to say this out loud there'd be no use of quotation marks. you are really reaaally reaching with your logic here, desperately trying to excuse yourself at this point.
stop gaslighting.
i'm done here.
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everyone should be done here, attention is what they crave
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Dunno. I have the original one, and it seems mostly the same
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The original game also had multiplayer. It wasn't in the on-disc version of the game, but it was added in the first patch released for the game.
The issue with the multiplayer in the remaster is that they may have polished it up somewhat, but it still has many of the weird desync bugs that the original game had. One player sees enemies that the other's don't for example, or a player simply doesn't do damage to specific enemies. Inventories can also get messed up when going through bulkheads or loading save games. On some systems loading takes 20+ minutes on some decks of the ship when in MP.
It's one of my favorite games of all time, so I would still recommend anyone to play it regardless, and try to bypass the bugs. It's something to be aware of when buying it though. And singleplayer has no major issues I know of.
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Ooof, one of the things I really loved about the remaster was the fixed multiplayer mode 😐 Very sad to hear the old problems mostly remain... I still remember the first 15 Minutes of SS2-Multiplayer as one of the most joyful experiences I ever had at a LAN-Party.
...sadly then we realised, its completely unplayable.
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It is not unplayable though, I feel like I have to point that out. The original was basically unplayable, as every time you went through a bulkhead to a new section, you got disconnected and had to mess around. It took a lot of dedication to play that through in co-op. That's not the case in the remaster.
I have completed the remaster in multiplayer, it was fine for the most part. It's just some of the frustrations of the original multiplayer remain and needs to be worked around. Things like having to do a quicksave/quickload once the second player realizes their bullets do no damage and stuff like that.
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Very tempted... one of my all-time favourite games! I just wish it would've gotten the the same treatment as the System Shock 1 Remake.
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Can heartily recommend this, keeping in mind that it is indeed a remaster and not a remake, as many of the steam comments point out. Best to think of it as the best and simplest way to play this game right out of the box without complications in 2025 (at least in SP, haven't tried MP). For me personally it's still one of the all-time great immersive sims & sci-fi games regardless of its age pedigree.
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I never understood why people associate the games with their creators. I mean it's really cool when you resonate with their ideas, but when you like a certain game, it feels really stupid not to play & enjoy it, simply because you don't like the developers or don't agree with their views, ideas, behaviour.
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