The game's campaign is what an average american high school student would envision of the brutal, heartless front with soulless Russians, after no more than 2 hours of being taught an overview of the eastern front.
It is laughable and disgusting for Russians as it distorts a very serious conflict that still resonates with people and anyone who knows even a little about the conflict is (naturally) appalled...
Honestly I think it is the culmination of a most disgusting trend of making Russians needlessly evil. I can understand silly action movies or such other shite but for a game to claim to be "historically accurate" and then paint such a laughably inaccurate picture of the conflict.
It's appalling.
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The reasons are that someone was hurt by some episodes in the game...Those vulnerable russians ;-(
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Assassin's Creed 3 made British Soldiers look evil, tbh I don't care if they were or not because it is just a VIDEO GAME and I am my own person, insulting some soldiers from a hundred years ago doesn't affect me.
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Exactly, "based" on real facts, obviously since it is a video game things will be exaggerated,twisted and changed to make it more interesting. The same thing happens with hollywood movies.
Anyone who forms an opinion and looks at a Russian person any differently than they otherwise would have because of a video game is naive and irrational. I take video games for what they are fantasy and not a history lesson.
I can very much understand people not liking it and why they would be angry, they are entitled to their opinion but why ban it? I am sure that there are plenty of people who are open minded just as there are people against it, why not give people a choice and the freedom to let the public speak with their wallets?
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of course, it is video game, but unlike others it declares it self as historical and should be properlly consulted by people who really know history and WW II in our case. in review there are several examples which show difference between real history and ingame descriptions...
well, imo, games about real wars should be historically correct... for example, some dev can make let's say "civilization" with his vision of ww ii facts, but he didn't declare that his game is based on real facts... so no problems at all...
but relic declared that game is based on real facts and got negative feedback that ruined sales for russian distributor, so game was withdrew from distribution by the Russian game publisher 1C-Softclub, not banned... at least now ^^
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That's another question...Great Britain and France were happy to let germans conquer Czech Republic.
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And what do you say about that "honest" deal?
"Meanwhile Poland annexed the town of Český Těšín with the surrounding area (some 906 km2 (350 sq mi), some 250,000 inhabitants, Poles made about 36% of population[31]) and two minor border areas in northern Slovakia, more precisely in the regions Spiš and Orava. (226 km2 (87 sq mi), 4,280 inhabitants, only 0.3% Poles)."
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Yeah, but we don't accuse someone in cheating during WW2
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There're no reasons listed in that article. Band could be only related to boxed copies also. This is quite weird I have to say. Brief search shows it's some sort of "patriotic propaganda" as the "USSR troops were shown in the wrong evil way" in CoH 2. It's hard to say how true that is without deeply analyzing the game that I haven't played, but seems that those condemning the game manipulate the facts at least as much as the game does.
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I've read about that situation at russia's media portals. Some stupid russian patriots said that Red Army couldn't kill civilians...
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same reason soldier commit atrocities from the pelponese wars of homer's time right up to the war in afghanistan today, they were given orders to, stalin probably killed more russians than any other nationality due to his extreme paranoia after all, every army thats existed has killed civilians its a part of war thats cant be avoided really and denying it is delusional, soldiers kill thats their job and sometimes they kill the wrong people, broadly speaking id imagine the soviets did more good for the world in WW2 than bad, history has born out communists seem to be vagualy sane, i mean even north korea for all its retoric and occasional shelling of south korea islands hasnt restarted the korean war properly and long may he hold on to the small sanity he seems to posess now
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He didn't say anything about killing their own civilians.
As a guy from a country that was "liberated" by Soviet Army, they often did horrible things to civilians.
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У многих здесь извращённое понятие истории. Поляки так вообще... сам знаешь :) В общем, далеко не все тут понимают в чём дело, у них мозги промыты. Но тем не менее, мне кажется, что не надо было запрещать игру. Бойкотировать её уже было бы вполне достаточно. Кто хотел бы, тот бойкотировал. Не лучший вариант выбрали, в общем. Тем более в эту игру многие играют исключительно из-за мультиплеера, в котором подобной похабщины (из-за которой у нас и запретили игру) нет.
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Yes they raped women and tortured them, did the same with children and millions other innocent(not soldiers) people in different countries(USSR). There's no difference between russians and nazis, they have done equally bad things.
So please stop trying to brainwash me, i learned the real history in school, not lies like in russia.
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Actually, there WERE armies that didn't rape civilians. Tell me of ANY way Greeks raped in the past. As a Greek, I can ensure you that Greek (Ancient Greeks only) raped ONLY Greeks. The ONLY war Greeks did was the Macedonian Empire's war with the Great Alexander. And I can also ensure you that they only killed and murdered. Sure they raped, but not even 1/999999999% of the majority of the other armies. Not to mention that the Macedonian Empire wasn't just a destruction, like the majority of the wars. Thanks to Great Alexander, MANY towns were made by Alexander's name (Alexandrias), and there were a lot of advantages too. Then, in the Revolution, Greeks fought for their homeland, they never raped ANY Turkish people, even after 400 years of enslavement. The only bad thing they did was when a traitor general sent a whole army of Greeks through the desert to reach Turkey's capital undetected... And before you ask, he was a traitor not only because of that, but because he did it on purpose. It wasn't needed at all. So yeah, not all armies in the world raped (or if they did, the numbers weren't more than 20 victims).
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Yeah, of course. You are too young to understand anything, mate. You know nothing, Jon Snow :) But one thing is learned by us. Don't help small countries when they are in one step of total annihilation. Because later they will remember only the bad things, they will act like their head wasn't at the scaffold when you saved them. It's always the same. So... next time just fight by your own. It will be sad when you'll loose to another villian with a megalomania, like Hitler.
P.S. I like and respect German people. They are not brainwashed as you. And they are really good people with historical consciousness. Respect for that!
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lol yeah russians saved us same as hitler saved the jews. But if you call this saving, ok.
Hitler stalin there's no difference. everyone accepted this, except russians.
And that's putin banned the game - he afraid that people will know the truth :)
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I told you, you know nothing... continue to be in a sweet ignorance and believe your history lessons, that are raping the real history. I have nothing more to say.
P.S. It's really sad, that people like us, the generation without a war, are forced to argue and re-live the events of the past to which we personally do not have any relation :-(
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Well... did Russia (I mean the Soviet Union, of course) annected Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania in WWII? Yes. Did Russia try that with Finland too? Yes, but it wasn't successful; although a small area was moved from Finland to Russia.
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Another version =) Sometimes I think we need to take the history books of all counties that were drawn into the WWII, translate them, combine them and divide all the facts from them in half. Maybe then we will unserstand a small part of the truth. And maybe not =) The history is the most loose ology... we have to live in the present and look into the future instead of blaming each other. We personally have nothing to do with WWII and it's aftermath.
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You might wanna tone it down a bit. If everyone had the same attitude, the whole world would still be spitting in the face of Germans because of WW2. It's not very productive.
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History is subjective and no historical event can be painted in broad "black and white" strokes. And I don't think that the SteamGifts forum is the right place to start a heated debate on the atrocities of war or to start calling a country a fascist state.
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Why Russians Hate Company of Heroes 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2m4SCUaBHS8
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Well... It's really offensive to hear that your grandfather wss fighting not for saving his relatives from death and not for his motherland, but just for a photo of Soviet flag waving over Reichstag building. One thing is when it's said by some ignorant douchebag which opinion doesn't matter, and the other is when it's pretty much an official point of view of a serious company (since they call CoH2 historically authentic).
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Okay I agree that calling it historically authentic sounds pretty weird and arguing with that probably makes sense. However, it's still a computer game so I don't understand why it matters so much to russians. As I said in another comment, if there were finnish people in the game and they were depicted terribly I wouldn't care in the slightest.
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It matters because kicking Nazis' asses was one of those things USSR did that are definitely good to the world, so it's depressing to see that American and British forces are shown mostly in a shiny and glorious way in previous CoH games (and not only there), when Soviet campaign is focused on what USSR did wrong (and what isn't always truth). Russians got used to "evil russians" stereotype, but throwing mud at their grandfathers and saying that this is how it really was back then... it's too much.
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i dont disagree 100% with your point despite being english and we ofc did all the work in WW2(im kidding we did about 40% with russias 40% and the other allies the rest and by british i mean uk empire and free europe), the simple fact is theyre selling to american customers and russia was at americas throat for the latter half of the 20th century ofc russia's good points are downplayed it sells games, my puzzlement is why sell it in russia at all then but i suppose its money and some russians will buy it regardless, also dont delude yourself that beating hitler was anything but selfish for anyone who beat him nations dont do the right thing without selfish reasons, i take comfort in hitler and the third reich were pretty much evil as a group but im not delusional enough to think thats why churchill beat him after all churchill admired him at first and we didnt then attack russia cause stalin stopped at the line in the sand everyone agreed with, so long as we're safe we dont care about outside our little sphere really its when outside people affect us we start military adventures ala iraq/afghanistan. witness syria we wont annoy russia/china no matter how horrible the war gets and it will get terrible we dont care enough to risk WW3
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I haven't bought COH 2 yet. What is the reason for the ban?
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They could be banning Madonna ad Lady Gaga as well.
For the those too lazy to watch, both made pro gay rights remarks and Lady Gaga had visa problems.
What the hell is wrong with Mother Russia???
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We're under occupation of Party crooks and thieves...that's a pity sight
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Oh boy i'm sure glad that some historical inaccuracies in a videogame are burning issues for so many Russians considering how being gay will now be punishable by prison and that is only if some of the many neo nazi groups (which are highly praised by media btw) won't beat you to death if they get to you first.
So sad that their grandparents died and suffered greatly to fight against what these young, misguided people embrace now
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I don't really see any connection between this topic and your post, but okay. And by the way, people from these groups are getting arrested (russian news site).
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Actually this was supposed to be a continuation on SleepyCat's last comment but i got lost in multiple chrome tabs and somehow made this into a separate post. Oh well
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What their grandparents fought and died for never existed anywhere but in their minds. Communist leaders were able to amass power by selling people on a certain dream, just like every other type of leaders, including Fascists, have ever done.
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"What their grandparents fought and died for never existed anywhere but in their minds" - you mean their families? Because their main motivation was exactly to save people they love. Even Stalin while telling his speech about war referred to Soviet people as "brothers and sisters", not "comrades" as usual, talking about defending their relatives and their motherland. "People" does not equal "government".
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Ah yes, sweet Russia, banning games, labour camps(Pussy Riot), no rights for gays. Russia was doing so well and then Putin happened. Fuck Putin!
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He meant that there are so many other countries that allow gay marriage that those darn gay people can go there! I mean, thirteen is a lot. A... Lot... That's, like, half of all the countries in the world.
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Selling this crap as a real WW2 story?
Take any historical event USA or any other country is proud of or the one that has enormous meaning and turn it way round. You won't like that too.
I think the biggest mistake made by Relic - taking bad sources, putting them into game and saying that this is actually how it was, and continue persisting in their stupidity despite all historians saying that this is not true.
They could sell it as a fictional perception of WW2 events. But they're claiming their game is true to life. That's the biggest offense here.
PS I'm personally from the Ukraine. I don't like Russia and I don't support their actions. But that's the case when our mutual history was corrupted.
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I'd recommend anyone to read the following http://www.polygon.com/2013/7/25/4553536/is-company-of-heroes-2-anti-russian article first before claiming anything.
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That's not possible due to low violence versions not containing any Nazi symbols at all. But in the German version there may be evil robots that spill a lot of oil when the Third Cyborg Army will conquer the whole Mars under their leader Glados.
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http://www.1csc.ru/news/2013/08/05/30317-ostanovleny-prodazhi-igry-company-of-heroes-2
What do you think about this?
I think, this can be precedent for banning games
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