I imagine that can be fixed pretty easily. So it will probably come back.
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From the post -
(Comparison 1 - Auto Shotgun)
http://i.imgur.com/8Qx1NI2.png
(Comparison 2 - Auto Rifle)
http://i.imgur.com/IjS7dfO.png
If those are close enough to get it taken down, they would probably have to revert to rocks to make it different enough lol
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Did you get your money back or any kind of a refund or credit?
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This is probably the real issue
http://i.imgur.com/ZQeBNGs.png
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Auto rifle one linked above also has near-identical stock, trigger and magazine housing on the rear end of the gun.
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I don't see it, stock is a different shape, magazine isn't even remotely similar, and the only similarity between the triggers is that they have a rectangular guard, the triggers themselves aren't even the same shape...
Also, where the M8A7 "look-alike"'s sight connects, it doesn't look at all alike, and the depths and shapes and stuff are different, too.
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Just gonna leave this here... I have no opinion one way or another... https://i.sli.mg/xpIy1W.png
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Nah, not really. I posted the comment a few minutes after the thread was openned, then I read a little about it and it looks like activision was right this time. Not sure about a game that might die before leaving early access.
But thanks for the offer :)
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They'll probably find a way, they could take a few weeks off steam and rework some assets. But I doubt they make it in time before the sale ends.
The thing is that if activision decides to use the legal system to crush them they'll probably succeed, money can buy the best lawyers.
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Who cares. Cars look a like all the time. You can't take down something for 1 small part looking similar. It's BS.
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They don't look alike actually. If you want to put a real-life car into a game, you have to license it, and they can cost a pretty penny sometimes. (And if you are making a racing game and want them to get damaged… well, there is a reason even a giant like EA doesn't like to make games like that.)
Same with weapons. If Activision's studios designed a new weapon look, they have a copyright claim on it. And in this case Orion's two guns are close enough for any court to agree with Activision.
The other question, the more serious one here is again with the DMCA takedown practise, where the content owner can file a claim and the service provider just goes through with it without ever asking the accused. This is the digital equivalent of getting arrested and held in prison without revealing the accusation.
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Yeah, it seems that the ORION weapon was "put together" by parts from weapons of CoD
4 models making a "new weapon".
It is presumed (and most likely) this is the issue, as it was claimed in the DMCA notification received by the developer. They say they will change it http://steamcommunity.com/gid/103582791433474819/announcements/detail/834671877729096914
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That's so retarded, though. "Oh, that gun takes similarly looking pieces and combines them into something entirely different, they can't use our guns as a basis for their designs."
There are so many stupid people in this world, I can't stand it.
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If the artist responsible for the weapon design extracted the meshes directly from Activision's game, then that is copyright infringement.
Which is extremely suspicious given the model/parts similarities.
How would Activision claim that without infringing copyright laws (reverse engineering) another devs content? I don't know.
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Nope, because I'm not selling or sharing it... And I would have bought those guns for my use...
Also, video games are not the real world (sadly) and a few similarities between 2 guns that aren't even close to 1/100th of this game shouldn't be DMCA worthy...
P.S. Even if I was manufacturing those guns for sale IRL, the original manufacturers would be making many times more money so they'd still be retarded for stopping it...
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So if I submit a video game that I make 100% from scratch as my doctorate thesis it won't get denied? Ok, I'll take your word for it, I guess...
Also, I guess no doctorate thesis should be accepted, because my guess is they all use the plenty of the same words through ought the entire paper, probably making up much more than those similar pieces of guns make up of that $1 game...
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It's just cause you said that doctorate thesis papers, real life, and video games should all be treated the same, and if there's anything that someone else used in there paper or in their game, other people shouldn't be able to use similar things without running risk of punishment.
(I would never try to submit a video game as an essay just like I would never kill someone playing paintball against me because I don't treat completely different things as if they correlate directly, that's all.)
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Because all fall into the same category: intellectual property. And many people fail to realise that just because there is no physical product behind something, they still can enjoy the same legal protection against idea theft. Because ideas alone can make you rich. Just look at some of the known famous idea thieves like Thomas Edison or Bob Kane, who made a fortune exploiting others' work and selling it as their own.
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So you could submit a 300-page video game as a doctorate thesis in some colleges? That would be pretty interesting, I guess...
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You're arguing that they can't defend their own designs, but while you're half-right in that anyone can make a gun like that, this isn't the case.
They're not just copying the design, they're literally ripping the product and putting it into their game, piece-by-piece in obscure ways.
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Similar sights and top bit, but really? Worth DMCAing over?
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Well one was available to get for free for a period of time I'm pretty sure.
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Remember this?
https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/BWjVZ/free-10000-copies-of-guardians-of-orion-private-access-ended
He claimed he would give 10k copies, collected some thousands of legitimate emails, then he backed out, then he offered again but he changed the offer through youtube , then he chose to give to whoever he wanted, then ..case closed.
Many close friends including me , never received the so-call "free copy" even though we were almost first to the party and followed every obstacle rule imposed by the dev -not to mention almost all of us have bought his previous game at some earlier time.
Some might say all this drama today, is some kind of divine justice. ;)
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The sights look similar, so Activision wants to believe they were robbed or some shit like that.
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Because some parts look exactly the same. There is no way a developer would make a weapon were several parts look exactly the same as parts of weapons from another game. Sure, they can look similar, but they are exactly the same. Just look at this
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It's not the whole gun that is similar, but the iron-sight(?), the circled part in the image. You could've also looked at the other pic others are posting, the back part in the iron-sight also has the blue circle in the back. And again I didn't say they should've taken it down, just mentioning that the similarities are about different stuff than what the Orion devs are saying.
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Activision has every right to do it, IF they can prove that the assest used were ripped from their game. Not sure if this will have to go to court (maybe if the Orion devs press the matter). I can see some elements that look very similar if not the same, but I'd think certain parts on guns are just going to look alike at a certain point, no?
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Well, I don't know the legal situation too well, but there are certainly similarities, see http://i.imgur.com/ZQeBNGs.png
Either way, I feel that Activision could have contacted the makers of Orion before taking this move (a developer claims they did not).
EDIT: Of course, if there are more very similar assets and Activision feel they have a solid case, I guess I have no reason to take umbrage.
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It really looks like the pics in the OP were taken from the most dissimilar angle though.
The claim isn't that the entire weapon was taken, but significants parts look identical down to a pixel (mostly the sights as seen from the user's end).
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Course the guns are ultimately based on real weapons. So are we going to get gun manufacturers sueing Activision for using the guns in CoD?
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There is a mile of difference between creating content based around things observable in reality (like actual brands of vehicle, weapons, specific fatigues, etc), and outright taking some other developer's created content and using it as your own in a commercial product.
What you're talking about is a licensing issue.
What I'm talking about (and what iis actually happening here) is that pieces of content are being taken and used in a commercial product without consent. A better comparison would be an upstart gun company stealing pieces of guns from another company, using them as part of the assembly on their own gun, and then selling it as their own work without acquiring any rights or permissions, and without recompense or negotiation to those they're taking from.
Just because the content is digital, and just because the whole models were not ripped intact, it doesn't mean what they're doing is any less wrong. Why would you defend this?
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Activision takes example from a real world weapon and puts it in one of their games.
Then claims that another developer took their assets because they visually look the same - is it possible that the assets were taken from CoD, sure.
Is it possible that the assets were based on a real world weapon, just like Activision's was?
I'm saying its a bit cheeky for Activision to claim this when they themselves are using other existing items as a basis for their own stuff.
Which enters this in a shady area when it comes to who took what from whom.
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Sorry but you didn't really pay attention.
This isn't a matter of looking similar, this is a matter of ataking actual pieces of someone else's digital models. Not making their own that just happens to look similar, but an actual equivalent of a copy-paste of sections of the 3D meshes. It's not that they look the same it's that pieces of them ARE the same, if the accusations are accurate. Judging from the pictures that highlight the specific parts (like the sighting section), it seems to be the case. Realistically modelled gun sections will always look similar, but in this case the similarities are at a point where that could just be a texture switch. I'll link to someone else's image earlier in the thread, seeing as you haven't gone back to check.
While Activision made their stuff based on real brands, they actually made their own work. The other dev seems to have stolen actual pieces of someone else's work (again, the models themselves). Maybe not whole models, but pieces. That's still stealing, and it's kind of a big deal when you're using it in a product you're selling.
You also assume that Activision didn't do their due research when it comes to modelling after real guns. Given they're a big company and haven't faced legal action, they are most likely in the right (or acquired rights to depict the weapons, whatever). That's the key difference, what the smaller dev did, if as accused, is clearly in a legal nope-zone. :P
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So are we going to get gun manufacturers sueing Activision for using the guns in CoD?
That could very well happen, if they tried to replicate a real gun, or part thereof. That's why they, and every other game company that tries to create shooters set in a modern setting, are very careful with how they design their guns, so that they don't infringe on anyone else's property. I'm sure Activision have people who carefully check every single gun model to make sure that they are not too close to any real gun that's protected.
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No, they wait for them to become hits, then sue them for millons in courts.
Like Spirit suing Led Zeppelin for Stairway to Heaven allegedly plagiarizing their song (looks like in the end and after some losing, Zeppelins finally won, but then I have no idea if that was final win or there will be any more appeals).
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Nope. The guns as a whole look quite different, it's more that specific pieces of the models appear to have been stolen. At a glance, they appear totally different, but when you look closely you see specific parts are pretty much copy-pastes with texture tweaks. Images are further back in the thread that highlight the specifics.
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Uh-oh, better watch out then. I might have to remove the sun from my game because it looks awfully similar to the sun from some other games...
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I see why activision feels so threatened by this game.
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Ha xD Yeah, I was a bit baffled that they went through the trouble to send out a DMCA, get it removed from Steam, when it is 0.99 game. It feels over the top. On the other hand, I suppose Activision makes no exceptions whether it is a cheap Indie game or a big showrunner.
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I'm not saying they should have immediatly removed it from steam. but why does it matter how big the game is? If they steal your assets, why should you just let it go? It's not a matter of them feeling threatened, but of a company stealing their work. I'd be pretty pissed too if someone just copied something I worked on for so long.
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I believe you can still buy it here? http://store.steampowered.com/sub/80561
Edit: nope
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Now that i have better internet i was thinking of grabbing it,i suppose it will be back they just have to change whatever is contested i doubt its the gun itself but the sites so it just a matter of changing those i would think.
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even if it is intented to look alike, since when is enough to take down and entire game just because it kind off looks like a little piece of yours...
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Edit: If Orion devs thinks it doesn't contain what Activision claims, they could've filled counter-claim and it would've been over until Activision gave up or took them to the court.
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Well that sucks, i was going to get it after selling a few sale cards.
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-- Update: http://steamcommunity.com/games/407840/announcements/detail/814405855450220211 ---
So apparently Activision has removed ORION from Steam. This was done via a DMCA takedown request stating:
“on behalf of Activision, who alleges that the game Orion uses weapon art content from Call of Duty: Black Ops 3 and Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare. The weapon art in question includes the M8A7 rifle, the Haymaker rifle, and the Bal-27 rifle."
Continued: http://steamcommunity.com/games/104900/announcements/detail/834671877728578774
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/4q62xb/activision_removed_a_game_from_steam_via_dmca/
Facedesk
As if you've never needed more reasons to dislike Activision.
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