Too many scammers out there and too many profit sharks, people who want twice the value of what they got. So trading is crap all around.
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People only want to trade if you have the exact thing they want, they don't place much value on what they have, or the trade is vastly in their favor. Trades do still happen, but in general, I found it pretty difficult to trade. I have been pretty lucky with not getting scammed so far, but I've only traded a few times.
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- Absolutely. I still trade my bundle leftovers all the time. Now that we have a good value indicator thanks to grey market key sites, it's even safer for everyone, in theory at least.
- No idea.
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Does value really exist in money?💱
That kind of worldview assigns a high value label to something that has no value.💰
It is dressed up as if it has great value for a time, and then suddenly becomes worthless.💸
That's what I suddenly thought.💹🙄
Well, in terms of “transactions,” history repeats itself in other things as well.
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Trading games is more or less alive. Barter.vg and Steamtrades.com are the biggest websites at the moment. Just bear in mind most people that hold AAA games will want to make profit on the trade, they won't accept 5 cheap bundled games for Cyberpunk. Most trades that go anywhere will have bundled games on both sides. Trading TF2 keys is more popular on Steamtrades, I remember seeing several traders that list hundreds of games with their price in keys. Some even used gems, I got a couple of really cheap games for gems I had laying around in my inventory.
Skin betting is dead though, at least compared to CSGOLounge from 10 years ago. There exist sites that let you bet with skins (or gamble), but they often have shitty odds, take a large house cut, don't value skins properly (eg. a $50 skin on the market will be $30 on the site), or just don't pay out and tell you to get bent. It's not like you can do anything about it when they do. Valve also periodically bans the bots and users from these websites.
Betting has moved on from skins into actual money betting, I don't know which websites are reputable but many big CS2 tournaments and teams have at least one betting sponsor. I think these days a lot of traditional betting websites (football, boxing, etc.) also have an esports category.
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I sometimes trade my leftovers for keys, and sometimes gift them. But game for game, I haven’t done that in donkeys
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It's alive and well. Barter is a free site that has many many trades going on every day. Every time someone buys a bundle, and they don't want a few of the games in it, they are called "bundle leftovers" .. and they can either give them away here on SG, or trade them for a game they want to play.
Barter seems to be the easiest site to use for it.
As for scamming... the reputation system keeps you safe - if someone has 100+ green reps and 0 red marks, they're not going to scam you. If you decide to trade with someone who has very few green reps, then the person with low reps is supposed to go first.
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Trading is not alive and well and you know what you say is not true now everything is based solely on price it has killed the market not to mention people getting suspended and band all the time for simply offering up trades in the first place - you can tell as I heard from people who use Barter that trading has gone from about 2000 a day to less than 1000 - yes it might be less people buying bundles but still it is not doing very well
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whats wrong with basing on price? Why should people be allowed to exploit others by offering them a way cheap grey market value game?
the amount of offers made hasn't really changed much at all on barter
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If it is only based on price why should I trade a game when it would be better just to by the game I want instead - I have never based anything on price as many don't and get this as crazy as it sounds people like to trade games they don't want for games they do - yes I saw low offers but it should be up to the people involved in the trade to decide if it is ok for them to accept or not - not someone else who dones't know the value the games involved have for either trader
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why would it be better to buy a game when you can trade leftover for leftover
you can trade games you don't want for games you want and keep the price appropriate, I don't understand how you think that isn't the case
the point is that people who DON'T know prices don't get ripped off and people who partake in that abusive activity get reprimanded appropriately
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Why don't they look up the price before accepting then if it's easy enough for people who make trade offers to look up prices - it's just as easy for them also to look up the price
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I'm curious, what makes you think they don't? (I'm not saying they do or don't, I'm asking why you think they don't)
I think the best way to help ensure fair trades would be to list grey market prices directly in the trade offer. But grey market platforms have absolutely no incentive to help traders get a fair deal, at the expense of more sales.
If there are fewer trades because we eliminate unfair trades, then everyone except scammers win.
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People bet on CS GO matches? What the actual fuck?!?
If you really don't know what to do with your money, contact me and I can give you a zillion better ideas than to toss it down the toilet.
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People bet on CS GO matches? What the actual fuck?!?
You can bet on anything that has an outcome. Whether that's football, basketball, presidental elections, or eSports.
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CS betting is as big as ever. CSGOLounge died like 8 years ago, but dozens of others came back in return.
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They're both alive but if steam sees you bet on matches nowadays they're more than likely going to ban you.
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What's not true about this? Where do you bet on csgo/2 skins and valve gives their ok with you? Aren't they banning 1k+ inventories daily for being part of em**** and retroactively doing so to accounts who have gambled there even for years in the past? Make a yt video showing yourself using one of the gambling sites, send it to valve in a support ticket asking them if they're cool with this and clarifying that it's your video and your account and tell me what they say. You make it seem like the yt/twitch/whatever gambling streamers didn't just erase that content from their lives and who tried to make it work vanished. Hey go ahead prove me wrong, it's not like I got thousands in these items to have some background.
If you meant the tf2 key, depends what trading you mean. I've done trades recently with accounts that own tens to hundreds of thousands of items who offered me tf2 keys as a payment choice. I don't play tf2 so I don't got any. But I think most level up bots will take your keys, and so do people trading on ST who want tf2 keys or something else for their products/services etc. Some will buy your things and offer to pay in tf2 keys. Also backpack is still alive and key price is actually up.
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there isnt a single case someone has been banned for gambling skins now or in the years prior, I think you're confusing it with bots owned by websites and people who provided skins to the websites that ran them. however, since valve implemented 7 days hold on trades pretty much everyone converted to p2p trading so the bots are a thing of the past as well
there have been recent cases where high volume traders got banned for affiliation with gambling websites, but again, that's not the regular users. I myself have used various sites in the past since 2016 and still occasionally do, not once has it ever been an issue. at most the only risk you're running into is getting some stolen item from a person who tries to cash out using gambling sites, but in that case it's just them tracing the scammed items and nothing to do with gambling
also not sure what you mean by streamers erasing content because there are quite literally hundreds of people all over youtube who keep promoting shady case opening websites and roulettes and what not on the daily basis and they aren't getting banned either
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Alright sorry for the delay, sometimes I'm too lazy to make long replies. The reason I suggested you make a video and show it to valve to see if they ok you, is because more than likely they wont. Even though now online gambling is much more okay, I'm pretty sure they'll still take a stance against it, especially with their TOS. But what kind of gambling? My guess is they're against users depositing skins and betting those, vs users going to a site, dropping 1k real cash and then withdrawing. That's probably something they're ok with. Hence why on those new sites with streamers they can probably provide proof they're not depositing skins to gamble in between each other, and rather they're winning skins based on cash they had deposited onto the site. This must be recent with the new lax gambling laws for online, as for years these streamers did no gambling. It's still in steams TOS and you could get a ban at any time if caught. Why they don't go for them, who knows. There's a reason tho why sparkles traded all his high profile skins to friends and other accounts, because he was afraid of getting banned.
This is also why in 2016 Valve DMCA'd 23 gambling sites, and many bot accounts got frozen. Or why about 4 months ago what, a few million dollars in skins vanished in skins? Granted, 4 months ago there was fraud involved. Once again, the reason your don't get detected is because you're doing small trades, rarely, here and there. That doesn't mean they'd approve it but you can show me they give you their ok.
As for your point for there being no one who has gotten a ban from this, it's kinda crazy to say, especially when you seem to disagree with this yourself in your second paragraph. I'm pretty sure it's against the rules here for me to link you to a discord where daily banned accounts are shown but I can probably show you a screenshot of what it looks like: . And while plenty of high value accounts get unbanned, some don't, and I could scroll up just a tiny bit and show you tens of accounts with what it calls $0 value, probably less than $1000 once you open their profiles and check, and I basically never see those get unbanned.
I'm not telling you not to gamble because as you say, it's hard to get detected due to p2p since they look like legitimate trades, but I'm telling you they wont like it, hence why I suggested you can make a video and tell them it's your acc, and see if they like it. I see you're at 200 hours so I'm not sure if this is a troll account or if you're just starting up. Maybe they are ok with it now, it's possible with sparkles being back at gambling that there's some new lax regulation for putting in cash and withdrawing skins, probably the site buys the skins ahead of time, etc. Idk about depositing skins into a site and betting your own skins on it. Also betting value on a site has nothing to do with valve. So maybe they get around by users betting value against each other, but the skins aren't identifiable until withdrawn and are completely random, so you're basically trading site value, rather than skins, until you withdraw skins, which is not against steams tos to just trade skins. So maybe that's the new loophole. Either way, it is bannable and it is in their tos. Take care :)
PS: Forgot to add that I said betting skins on matches today is basically unheard of and not gambling case openings on a site where you deposit cash to do so like sparkles and others do, and tbh I'm not familiar with any site that still allows betting on matches with cs skins from your inventory so not sure how relevant all this info is. Let me know if you know 1 and maybe ask steam about it and show me their response.
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there is a chinese site that is 1:1 copy of csgolounge that has been working all these years and still does. people bet tons of skins on daily basis there. heres an example of one of today's matches https://imgur.com/a/UZkMx5M - although most of it is dota items there are just as many accounts betting cs items too
as for the screenshot you sent - what makes you think all of them are linked with gambling? there are crazy networks of scammers on steam that rack up millions of dollars in stolen items monthly, and community bans is exactly what happens to them. and yes as far as valve's tos goes, they are more than willing to ignore it as much as they can because the whole gambling industry drives up the prices of skins, and they have direct interest in that. back when the whole lawsuit thing happened they had no choice but it was also only a fraction of gambling websites that got "banned" (a lot of them kept going for years and many are still up today), hundreds of others remained unnoticed
again i'm aware that there are people who are linked to gambling sites that got and keep getting banned, but those aren't the average users. when 2 of the biggest sites had a "war" recently some traders' information who provided skins in bulk got leaked and those got banned, however you can go on there yourself and ask any of the highrollers just out of curiosity if they ever had a problem with steam or if they even think about being in danger
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Do people still trade for tf2 keys etc.
Do people still bet on cs go matches?
What happened with that economy?
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