Are you a hopeful orphan?
i have 2 keys each
got the bundle just for 2 BlackHole's ( Ķ”Ā° ĶŹ Ķ”Ā°)
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Gonna skip that. Only one I don't have and have a mild interest in is Blackhole, and I'm not really a fan of platformers. Looks like Indiegala is getting my small bundle budget this year so far!
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Started at $6 (6.01 to beat) as usual (not always, but most of the time).
Edit: Average $5.96 lowest I have open (right after the start, and dang was it slow today).
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I guess so, but the site was very slow at the launch time :(
so only catch $6.14
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Just manually hit reload in 4 tabs in Firefox at bundle time, slowly one after the other (and then waited several minutes because it was extremely slow to load). Two opened with 6.00, one with 5.96 and one with 6.24
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same here, have been wanting to try King's Bounty games for a while
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Thank you for the thread and chart, Sensualshakti! ^^
Some nice games in this bundle especially IL-2 Sturmovik: 1946.
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I guess they could be seen as interactive educative pieces of software explaining why there are so many orphans in need of help.
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Next bundle will be dedicated to those starving, and it will be mostly games about food,.
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The issue I see with T3 is that the game doesn't only have a free MP base game, and a paid full game, and a deluxe edition, but on top of that it has an ULTIMAAAAAAATE edition with a season pass
http://cdn.edgecast.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/561140/extras/chart_versions.png
http://store.steampowered.com/app/561140/Call_to_Arms__Season_Pass/
Bonus points if they'll later do more DLCs outside the season pass xD
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lol indeed... Sorry about that, I am not interested in that game and haven't noticed you actually need to buy the "season pass" on top of the full game + deluxe edition for the full content, who knows maybe they will release a GOTY deluxe ultimate founders edition dlc later on...
Still I think HB credit + some "almost full version" of free MP game and RS2: Vietnam is worth adding 3 bucks on top of the BTA price.
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"Hope for Orphans" is quite the dark bundle title...
I'm really hoping whoever came up with that just confused the grammar for "Giving Hope to Orphans". š
Hope, definition: To wish for something to be true, or for an event to occur. / The expectation of the fulfillment of such a wish.
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That's just a rephrasing of the second definition I listed, with the two definitions I provided being, as far as I'm aware, the extensive summary of the definition for the word. Past that, it's a matter of how the grammar works: The current phrasing can never mean the positive interpretation that is hopefully intended by the bundle. Think of the phrase "Hope for rain". It always means "[To wish for] rain". You can say "Providing hope for rain", and that changes the meaning to the second definition. It's always one of the two definitions I listed, and the distinction between which definition is intended is consistent depending on what phrasing you use.
"[To wish] for Orphans" vs "Providing [the expectation of the fulfillment of wishes] for Orphans" or " Giving [the expectation of the fulfillment of wishes] to Orphans". Unless you add a modifier that clearly indicates you aren't using the verb form, the proper interpretation is to recognize that form as being the one in use. While that's certainly not true for casual dialogue, where you may find people using the definitions interchangeably without paying mind to the overall sentence structure, in a professional written format you would expect an adherence to more formal grammar expectations.
I mean, I could assume error in my recollections on this, but I've scoured quite a few grammar sites about it just now, and they've all confirmed the interpretation I'm familiar with. Without a modifier to indicate the noun form being present, you assume a 'ghost' verb modifier, eg, "To" [hope for orphans].
Of course, even if it is shown that the usage can be interchangeable in a formal format as well as a casual one, it's never professional to use ambiguous phrasing in the first place, meaning the current phrasing is still in error- in much the same way that "Love the Dick" would be an inappropriate title, even if the intended meaning was completely non-sexual and wholly relevant to the titles included in the bundle.
All that aside, I was actually just pointing it out because I thought it was a good bit of dark humor.. :X
"Why would they be hoping for more orphans? Is that why they're selling wargames?"
It really does explain a lot though, doesn't it? :S
:P
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Without a modifier to indicate the noun form being present, you assume a 'ghost' verb modifier
It's pretty easy with a simple noun:
Death to the dictator
Or with a simple verb:
Pray for the homeless
Hope is rather special in that the verb hope goes with 'for'. Other verbs that the word factory made with accompanying identical nouns, like abuse, don't have this problem:
Abuse for all!
(to) abuse for is not a thing, so it's clearly the noun.
Humble are not alone in their use of it:
https://hftw.org/ - Hope for the world, strikes me as the noun as well, and is really pretty identical-ish to this bundle title in grammar.
What is the grammar site interpretation explanation for down with the King? Down is an adverb. But we also have a preposition, an adjective, an informal verb and a bizarre American Handegg noun (as well as a more useful noun).
An adverb needs a verb to modify. What's the verb?
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First, I posted prior to your edit. I agree that my definition approximates your second definition added, I believe, in the edit.
I don't think the title of the bundle rises to the level of a grammatical error, although it does have other (comical, dark, and perfectly grammatically valid) interpretations. There is an implied, "this bundle represents" before the "hope for orphans." I don't think "Prayer for homeless people" suggests a prayer that there will be an influx of homeless people in the world. In both of these cases, I think context trumps exact word choice.
I do believe/agree that a professional writer, editor, or somebody on the site should recognize the other (unfortunate, dark) interpretation, even if it's obvious by context that it's not the intended meaning. It would have been easy to change it to "Hope for the Orphans," which removes some ambiguity (don't you agree?) Better to avoid the jokes it could give rise to, the possible misinterpretation, and the discussion fodder on internet gaming forums. :p
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Prayer doesn't follow the same grammatical rules as Hope, though (Firstly, in meaning- the noun form of Prayer doesn't suddenly mean you expect your prayer to come true; Secondly, unlike Hope and Hoping, you have Pray, Prayer, and Praying, meaning that Prayer doesn't share both a verb and noun usage like Hope does, with Hope's two utilizations being split between Pray and Prayer. Of course, Pray for Homeless People doesn't interpret as Pray for Homeless People [to exist], true- but again, that's a distinction between how the two different words are utilized in relation to other words, and not due to grammatical constants.)
A better comparison would be "Wish"- ie, "Wish for Orphans" versus "A Wish for Orphans", which has a similar approach of applying modifiers to obtain the noun utilization of the word. Likewise, wish is often directly interchangable with hope, meaning you can surface-check how your presentation sounds by substituting wish in place of hope.
Likewise, we're not talking contextual intuiting, we're talking formal presentation. While from our end it's just comical, from Humble's end it's a quality-lax formatting error. Like, putting a ' in the wrong location- regardless of how easy it is to intuit the correct positioning, it still speaks of lax oversight quality from the company presenting that formatting. Moreover, had their intent been providing Hope to orphans, It would have been Hope / for Orphans, not Hope for / Orphans, as they currently have it formatted (note where the coloration is split). Between the phrasing and presentation, the title ends up being rather dubious in its presentation. Our ability to interpret a functional meaning has no relation to their marketing team's quirky design decisions on the matter.
"Hope for the Orphans" (without a preceding 'A') adds another grammatical quirk- Hope for the Orphans to do what, exactly? Despite that grammatical quirk, "Hope for the Orphans" would nevertheless be a nice way of diluting the darker meaning (as such meaning is nearly impossible to interpret once you add the 'the' in), especially if the emphasis on different parts of the phrase was also removed, leaving us with a slightly awkward but rather functional title.
Which is to say, if you present it as Hope / for the orphans [which has the effective grammatical presentation of Hope (for the Orphans) ] it works as emphasizing the noun interpretation, and does seem to come across a fair bit clearer than Hope (for Orphans). Currently, the main issue is that it's Hope for (Orphans), which distinctly indicates the verb presentation of the word; though the fact that they're using "Hope for" instead of "Hope to" muddles the matter to begin with, as "Hope for" is primarily associated with the verb utilization of the word, and invites confusion just from that.
In short, to recap, Hope has to have a modifier to distinguish it as utilizing its noun format, due to its versatility as serving as both a noun and a verb, and especially given that the verb form is dominant in utilization. That modifier can be as simple as adding "the" or by separating the word from other words [as a noun interpretation is assumed where there is no associated context to give meaning to the verb form], but it needs to be present. Likewise, using "hope for" where the intent is "hope to" is misleading, and should be avoided where modifiers don't make the intended distinction clear.
The fact that Humble used the most misleading phrasing possible, and then separated it at the wrong point for the predicted meaning, and did it all for a bundle with content that seems to match the negative interpretation rather than the positive one, is just weird. I mean, it's a good bit of dark humor, but it does also make my inner editor squint their eyes dubiously toward Humble's marketing staff. :P
If I recall correctly, similar examples of such a phrasing typically emphasize a separation of the 'for' (which Humble already does by sizing, but ruins by coloration), to try and highlight both words as being separate nouns connected by the 'for'. In fact, I guess most of why the negative interpretation is emphasized, boils down to someone not coloring within the correct lines.
Man, and who said kindergarten doesn't teach you anything useful, huh?
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I agree that "Prayer for" is a slightly different case, but it's a similar example in that the intention, especially in context, is clear.
I hadn't noticed the coloration...that's an amusing tidbit though I don't think it makes the intention any less clear.
I still don't think it's a full-blown grammatical error (though it could be clarified), and I've done some editing in my day as well.
I also still think "Hope for the Orphans" is a reasonable edit/clarification as "Hope for the Orphans to do what, exactly" strikes me as going out of one's way to mis-interpret meaning.
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Haha that was the first thing I noticed.
The replies seem to veer off into debating the grammatical 'correctness' of the phrase, but that's all irrelevant and particularly silly when dealing with a play on words. Interpretations that rest on implications make for all the better burns and blusters.
Pretty sure it's an intentional double entendre about the irony of a war game package in support of orphans. And a damn good one.
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So you decided it was worth an useless necro bump just to spam that?
https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/beSEj/necro-illegal
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I was about to say CV farming bundle, especially with Glitchfront: The Bugalution in it, but I think the whole pack triggers the bundle list threshold, so this really is for those who want to support charity.
Which is a significantly better one than the one for AGDQā¦ Still, I am surprised they did not make an AGDQ bundle, maybe supporting PCF is too embarrassing now even for Humble.
Oh, and I am glad to see that they continue the tradition of putting semi-recent HB Monthly games to Tier 2.
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Damn, I would love that King's Bounty, but... ugh at all that other stuff. Maybe I'll get lucky and win it. I don't think the rest of the stuff makes this bundle worth it for me.
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You were so fast with the post and chart that a certain other bundle poster deleted his minimalist post because yours immediately gained traction. :D
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maybe he finally realized how uninformative his thread was
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Humble Hope For Orphans Bundle
3 tiers, 12 games
09 January - 23 January 2018
View this bundle on: ITAD - Barter.vg - Lestrades
Notice: ā ļø Region lock ā ļø
HomefrontĀ®: The Revolution
These packages exist (which of them is given by Humble Bundle is yet to find out (only EU, NA and RU/CIS confirmed so far)):
Tier 1 - $1 (about ā¬0.84)
Tier 2 - BTA: lowest $5.96
Tier 3 - $10 (about ā¬8.35)
Call to Arms - Full Version cannot be given away currently.
ā - Game was free at some time and does not grant any CV if given away.
Retail:
CV:
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Thanks to luckz for providing the poll answers. He apologizes for the WW1 typo. It's obviously WW2.
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