For psu, perhaps this one would be good. I use it myself, my pc has been running (powered on) 821 days and 6 hours without issue. It also comes with a 3 year warranty so... As for the rest, I'll leave it to others more qualified with amd mobo's and water cooling since I'm strictly a fan user.
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lol.... what does your electricity bill look like for you to be leaving the pc on 24 hours a day 7 days a week 365 days a year? Or do you get free power?
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That's just the total time it's been turned on, not always running 24/7. About 400- 500 days of it was 24/7, was living in an apartment with electricity included during that time. I use defraggler for defragmenting, it gives me stats like how long the hdd has been powered on altogether.
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if you want AMD wait until ZEN launches, arnoud christmas it seems. If you want a PC now and your budget is not much you should try:
new intel means DDR4 ram aswell, not onluy cpu and mobo
Case is NZXT 340 or 210
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i already have 8350 which is sealed pack which i am not able to sell so im stuck with it
going for a second hand intel would not be good cause its india it heats like crap here
people only run intel here mostly with stock coolers
and only sell there pc if it start getting issues
hell i ran my pentium 4 till 2012 lel
thanks for the case suggestions ill check them out
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Oh, i thought you were going to change the CPU. Sadly for you, 212 evo its a nice medium budget cooler. If doesn't work people says cryorig h7 its the best medium one, check it. Air cooling should be as effective as water one (at least in this budget) . I can't help you on water because i'm trying to get a 212 xD
try this to make an idea about the price:
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cryorig h7 im guessing its a cpu cooler as well do not know about it
i was suggested 212 evo by a friend who lived in usa
i lived in india my 8350 ran on 80c , 90 c even with 212 evo on stock i even bought premium thermal paste the expensive ones
did not make a difference ... so it is nice but not nice if u live in a place like mine
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i lived in india my 8350 ran on 80c , 90 c even with 212 evo on stock
that's not right... that cooler is perfectly capable of handling a 8350, even in India (unless it's one of those days the temperature reaches 50C in the shade, but in that case I would not be gaming)... what do you mean the processor is a sealed pack?
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well my case was a toaster and i have no ac also i had 2 fans mounted on my 212 evo also
i applied premium brand thermal paste my self two three times just to be sure when i did not get temperatures right so i am pretty sure the cooler does not work well in conditions like where i live
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assuming everything's properly installed, then your case has no air flow, you might be better off leaving it open. I often get room temps of 25-30C, and my CPU seldom goes over 60C, and my air cooler is much worse than a 212, especially with 2 fans.
Also, the 8350's max operating temp is 61C, so I'm pretty sure it would stop before reaching 90C. AMD software temp reading is not always accurate (to say the least), my A10 rig almost always reads above 100C, which is obviously wrong.
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my case had 3 fans and 2 fans were on 212 evo i just got bad temps i know u might say i did not apply 212 evo correctly but i did and got the same temps ! i did it like 5 times with stock cooler even opening chrome i use to remember it jumped to 90 c lel
its just the conditions i even left it open from one side still got like 70 c while playing cs go lel
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What software you use to read temps ?
Try Core Temp http://www.alcpu.com/CoreTemp/
Anyway only one program for working always with amd cpus
But this one showing only how much C left until you reach CPU limit :)
http://www.amd.com/en-us/innovations/software-technologies/technologies-gaming/over-drive
And info about AMD CPUs temps
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/faq/id-2122665/understanding-temperature-amd-cpus-apus.html
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i used aida 64 and bios
i tried cpuz but it was giving incorrect ones aida 64 seemed to give the same one as bios
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i cant its disassembled and i do not have a psu and or a cpu cooler or a mobo lel
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ah ok ;)
For example Aida show on my CPU 120C ;) AMD X4 860K @ 4,4Ghz *OC :)
in Amd Overdrive I have still 20C margin until reach limit ;)
If you CPU is still good shape reuse it buy new Mobo and and PSU
about cooler fan is not working ? replace only fan ;)
Good PSU https://www.flipkart.com/seasonic-s12ii-620-watts-psu/p/itmd5xz46hjzzrax
Very solid motherboard https://www.flipkart.com/msi-970-gaming-motherboard/p/itmdybhz6ygzu87y
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i rma-ed the cpu so its brand new
that board has now 6+2 phases it used to have 8+2 :(
my old board had 4+2 also msi phases are of very low quality so i have heard
also nice psu selection seasonic is great :D thankies
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6+2 is ok even for moderate OC :)
I find cheaper but still great quality
Asus M5A97 EVO R2.0 6+2
http://www.primeabgb.com/online-price-reviews-india/asus-m5a97-evo-r2-0-amd-motherboard/
And do not go for Asus M5A97 R2.0 is 4+2 ;)
About what mobo to chose:
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/id-2384024/motherboard-tier-list-970-chipset.html?_ga=1.269031025.1431420254.1470222581
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yea but msi phases arent that great 6+2 might just be 4+2 for them lel
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This depends to model
anyway about VRm you can read this :)
http://www.overclock.net/t/943109/about-vrms-mosfets-motherboard-safety-with-125w-tdp-processors
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Give us url to shop near you, or where you will buy it
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PSU : cooler-master 500W THUNDER
If you already have this PSU - his power enough to feed FX 8350 and 7870, but little tight for overclock. If you not have it, I reccomend you something better, for example http://www.primeabgb.com/online-price-reviews-india/corsair-vs650-650w-power-supply/
Also, power of PSU depends wich videocard you will place in near time.
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no its dead also i do not want to overclock ever haha thanks for the suggestion ill check it out
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Maybe this was a main reason of your PC failure - bad PSU.)
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psu was bad for sure it actually was the main part which died 5 times during the run i rma-ed it many times and got fed up and throwed it in the bucket
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Try to spend atleast $80-100 for good brand PSU.) 500-600 watt will be enough (if it's good).
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Not a fan of AMD so I can't help you with the mobo/CPU choice sadly. Have heard of too many issues with them, many odd ones too, so I prefer to stay in the other camp. Unfortunately Intel are becoming more and more lazy pricks because AMD is giving them no competition in the higher end market, but that's another topic.
Anyway, for PSU you can go with EVGA, Corsair (higher class ones are better) or Super Flower. With PSUs you get bronze/silver/gold/platinum certificates which are basically power efficiency, so the lower grade, the more power it will consume. There are also watts obviously which depend on all the PC parts you will put in the PC + it's good to have something extra just in case. There are PSU calculators online, like this - http://www.evga.com/power-meter/ But you can google for other brands too.
Always a good idea to get a good PSU because it can indeed burst into flames if it uses cheap parts. Although there is no guarantee that even the best brand won't get issues, you're still in safer hands with the higher class.
Quick check about your parts showed me that EVGA at least recommend going for 600 W or above PSUs for your old build, so it's possible that the PC burst into flames because the PSU was not enough to handle it. AMD parts in general are very power-hungry.
Case - that depends on your parts. Length of GPU and CPU cooler size/type are what matter, be very careful with the dimensions as i had to change a CPU cooler because it was 0.5 cm shorter than my last case width.
I hope I helped more or less, a good PC build takes time and a lot of checks, reading reviews, comments, etc. Googling about all the things you are wondering about can get you a lot of information too, it's almost certain that someone somewhere already asked the question you are thinking about.
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thanks for the suggestions i do use a calculator to get W
also ill be sure about the dimensions thanks for reminding me
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Better not risk it imo. You can't do any harm on your system if you pick a stronger power supply, and price difference between e,g, 500 and 600 watts is minor really. I'd always prefer to stay on the safe side and avoid unnecessary future trouble if possible. Besides, going for a more powerful PSU also leaves space to go Crossfire or SLI without changing anything else in the PC, as well as other possible upgrades (mobo extensions, extra fans, optical drives and what not).
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If you have ~450 USD, think about an APU (CPU+GPU in one). AMD's APUs are quite capable of running games at more than decent frame rates and quality for an incredibly nice price tag.
If you lived without a good PC this long, you can wait the few weeks until Zen hits the market. Although the APUs there may not arrive until next year… Therefore, it would be wiser to ask for advices then.
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i think they plan to reuse their 8core cpu that isnt a apu, otherwise i agree.. was just strongly suggesting this same very thing to a friend wanting to build a mini-itx system.. way better then running on some of the best intel onboard gfx out there.
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To be honest I didn't get what you need help with.
Sorry to hear that your PC died by the way.
And um... Intel > AMD
Even an i3-6100 will kick the FX's ass in games.
As for the PSU - this might help you
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I'm not really sure 5-10% difference can be considered "kicking ass", especially considering that the Intel one costs significantly more (almost 50% compared to the AMD in the video): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYkPWujshos
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Yes, it is considered kicking ass, because an i3 has two cores, unlike the AMD's 6 core. An i3 has higher instructions per clock, you can't run Arma on AMD for example, simply because of this. Something is just wrong when 2 cores do beat 6 cores, don't you think?
AMD FX is like 4 years old CPU and the AM3 socket is even older and has no upgrade path, since Zen is gonna have an AM4 socket.
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Something is just wrong when 2 cores do beat 6 cores, don't you think?
Not really. Should Intel be ashamed that an FX-4100, a 4-core CPU, would beat any of their E7s in a video game, even though those can go to 24 physical cores? That is an 6× difference compared to a 3× difference. About the same argument, since neither have remotely similar architectures, so not exactly comparable.
AMDs offer good gaming performance for very low amount of money, but they don't work well when something wants to really load a single core, for example a rendering or compressing operation. Intels are good in general, but ask the price for it, AMDs are good enough for any gaming needs and perform decent to subpar in other areas. Although a casual everday user who mostly just plays games would feel a small part of these drawbacks. They would be more concerned about AMDs much lower operating temperatures, which means they are a lot more difficult to keep optimally cool.
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FX-4100 is beating Xeons in games?
What planet are you from?
Second thing is these are server CPUs, higher ammount of cores but with lower frequencies.
If you take a 4 core Xeon, it's exactly the same chip as the i7 but without the iGPU, stop telling me, that these chips are getting beaten by an FX CPU, that's complete bullshit.
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If you take a 4 core Xeon, it's exactly the same chip as the i7 but without the iGPU
my i7 doesnt come with 60M cache. quite literally 1/10th of that.
but as for gaming, i dont think they can execute the proper instruction sets for gaming (due to different but similar architecture)
if they could though i don't think anyone would argue they would smash all others though due to the insane amount of cache.
i dont think either one of us is trying to say that amd>intel or even amd=intel, we're just saying that some games call for instruction sets (part of the architecture of the cpu) that the amd can actually handle better then intel. its a rather small list compared to the opposite direction, but especially in unreal engine games, they run ever so slightly better with amds sse instruction set then intels. most of the time its completely reverse though. we're just saying that amd is a great compromise for those that cant afford intel and still want to game. especially imo their apu's if user has no intent on a real gpu (it is much better to be stuck with amd integrated graphics then intel integrated graphics imo). =)
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well just to tell u amd was cheaper than intel when i bought it also i only bought fx because of logan :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu8Sekdb-IE
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yeah but i have heard bad thing about msi and some one told me they decreased phases in there board
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it sounds to me like you have been told a lot of false info honestly. msi and bad was maybe 15years ago, but they got great (in their early years they had several bad capacitor problems, but you can find something bad about every company). as for the phases, i hadnt heard that but deff could be true, though i still think they probably have enough phases to run that cpu fine. they're still highly recommended by most review sites. top2 for gaming i always hear is asus & msi.
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how in da cuck you burnt a hyper 212? I mean It's a piece of metal without circuit board or anything that could be broken; it's meant to "cool" something, I have one btw so I'm wondering if you're just trolling or something really messed up happened! :P
As for the pc components, unfortunately I don't think I can help you since I'm still rocking my old Phenom II x6 1055T, performance is what it is and I'm used to it. Allowed me to play everysingle game I throw it -so far-, except for the sse4.1 instructions on unpatched games, like it was MGS TPP before devs patched it. It worked just fine when I played it. TW3, GTAV, etc.
If you have the mobo and don't want to spend too much, either WAIT for ZEN (to jump either that or intel) because it MAY affect prices, OR buy replacement now, you could risk it with used hardware tho not recommended unless you know how it is and how it was used.
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well it did not burn i just sold it cause my pc was eating dust and after testing it i was not happy with it
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In defense of the shop owner/seller all pc parts are on point. the motherboard do support AM3+ CPUs in your case it does support your FX8350. Whoever told you your motherboard and cpu aren't compatible is talking bullshit. If it's not compatible you wouldn't even be able to turn you computer on.
The 212 Evo is the best Air Cooling CPU Cooler in the market since it's release up to date if it failed then there's something wrong with either the ambient temperature your computer is operating in or your airflow inside the case is lacking which makes the case hot.
As for the PSU, Cooler Master is a pretty solid brand. Looking at the PSU specs I can see that it has "Multiple Protection Design" it has Over Voltage Protection (OVP), Over Power Protection (OPP), Over Current Protection (OCP), Short Circuit Protection (SCP). In short, If it's going to die it wouldn't affect other components. Usually it would just shutdown. The way I see it you just happen to have a bad copy of the hardware.
Now for the suggestions.
If your CPU is still intact and it's not damaged then It would be cheaper to use it still. If you're going to use it then buy another 212 Evo and make sure you do it right. Apply thermal paste if needed be.
As for the PSU try to get your hands on a Seasonic brand if you want durability and reliability but it's not cheap and it's not too steep either. If you don't have a budget for it then get the cheapest 80+ bronze PSU you can get your hands on.
As for the case try to get your hands on a fractal design core 1000/1100 series. It fits your motherboard, It has provision for 3 case fans. 1 in the back, 1 on the side, and 1 in front(included). It also has 1x USB 3.0 on the front just incase you get a new motherboard w/c has USB 3.0 then you're all good.
Points to ponder.
Always do regular maintenance on your PC. 80% of PC owners do neglect a proper cleaning routine. A lot of PC owners I know do not know that you have to actually clean your PC. You'd be surprised to how long your PC would last with a proper cleaning routine.
I've been using my system since 2013 and the only hardware problem I got is a harddrive failure which I got RMA-ed. My PSU is a 600W Generic non-branded PSU and it's still going strong.
My PC Specs:
Motherboard: PC Chips P65G.
Processor: Intel Core i5-2400 3.1Ghz
Memory: 6GB DDR3-1333Mhz.
Harddrive: 2TB Western Digital Black
PSU: 600W Generic.
Graphics Card: 1GB 128Bit Palit GTX 750 StormX OC. (Overclocked)
Accessories: x1 120mm Ultra HB 120 Cougar Case Fan, Rocketfish HD Webcam, NZXT Hue LED, NZXT Sentry LXE Fan Controller.
Good luck hunting for the perfect hardware!
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by not compatible they meant bios and phases vise ! and if u think cooler master is a solid brand because its not ill show u proof just need to find it again also i cleaned my pc every 6 months so i know that was not the problem adding u on steam but to continue the discussion
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i used the good stuff and i actually was sure it was applied correctly i did it myself 4 - 5 times it just does not work with a bad case and 35 c room temp
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i had that laser thingy and i tested my case temp it was 50 c even idle i just remember it was bad haha
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it did not burn i just had to many issues with stock i had like 80 90 c when i opened chrome lel
went to 212 evo temps were 80 c when gaming now ! much better if u ask me
and when i used premium tim i got like 5 c less temps
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My old work pc that i still use has a AMD FX-8120. It has a Antec PSU, particularly this one which is overkill.
These are the parts its using: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/gCz7P6
The case its using is this.
Pc has been running strong for the past 4-5 years.
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I don't know if someone answered this question already, so ignore my comment in that case.
The AMD FX-8350 is indeed compatible with that motherboard, but there's a catch: it's compatible in the sense that it fits into the socket, and the motherboard can recognize it. That said, such a low-end motherboard is incapable of supplying the required amount of energy needed by that power-hungry CPU in a steady manner, due to its low number of phases (3 or 4, don't remember the exact amount).
If the CPU is still good, to use it properly you'll need a better motherboard, preferably one with a 990X or 990FX chipset.
Not because you really need those chipsets, but because motherboards using the 970 chipset are usually low-end products made with cheaper components, and lower number of phases.
As for actual suggestions, I'll check the sites you linked when I'll be fully awake (in 1 hour or 2), and see what they have available within your budget. But this one is probably the best suggestion you'll ever need:
For some extra knowledge, you could check the subreddit r/pcmasterrace
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i know phases is the issue the only cheap one is msi and they changed from 8+2 to 6+2 on there gaming series one
cpu is still good as i rma-ed it
adding u on steam
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I have the FX-8320 (same processor specs but one or two multiplier lower) clocked at 4 gigs.
I use a Corsair H50 (H60 is the same but with an extra fan) with two 120 fans in a push / pull setup for self contained air cooling and under load rarely see above 20c, ambient temp in my apartment is a rough 12-13 degrees (C) cooler than yours though. If you can get the Corsair self contained coolers they are well worth the investment and have no upkeep past normal PC cleaning.
For airflow in the case though I have an oversized case, the Azza Genesis 9000...tons of fans.
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Like others, I'd say that your old PC had a pretty decent choice of components, except the motherboard, which doesn't list that particular CPU as compatible, which IMO is a bad sign. It may have been a good idea to undervolt the CPU (AMD CPU's typically run by default at a higher voltage than necessary).
The question is, where do you want to go? What do you do with your PC? If it's mainly for gaming, you can just buy a Core i3 (6100, for example) with a cheap MB, and performance-wise you'd be around where you previously were. The rest of the stuff, something similar to what you had before should be fine, it's just that the CPU was very power hungry. The Core i3 is 51W, compared to 125W for the FX-8350, so you should have a lot less problem with cooling.
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Reading it back, I agree, a combination of this CPU with another MB may be fine by bytebyster. However, given that the 8350 consumes a lot of power, and dissipates a lot of heat, and the main problem is heat, buying a different MB will only improve things a little. Moving to a less power hungry CPU is a reasonable solution, and probably a better upgrade than spending on much better cooling, ventilation and PSU. I mean, really, water cooling for a low end PC?
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yeah, i understand and agree, that thing is a major power consumer and heat dispenser =)
I mean, really, water cooling for a low end PC?
if they go with a cheaper self contained water cooling unit this time around it should last a few years though ^^ buying a cpu & a cooler is still more expensive then buying just a cooler.
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i have a fx8320 on a asus m5a97 evo 2 (yes, a 970 chipset). I run it undervolted (i suggest you to do the same is simply to do and it can help your heat problem) and overclocked at 4ghz as the 8350. No problem whatsoever. ;)
I'm using a cooler master 412s with 30C ambient i'm at 45C at idle. ;)
But i'm upgrading to an arctic freezer 120 (water cooling with a 120mm radiator the only one can fit on my case) cause i want to try an all-on-ine
before adventuring into custom loop... (and i need a new case for it).
I want to suggest you Fractal Design case but they're built with silence in mind instead of cooling (even if they have so much space for fan so they're okay for all no cf-sli configurations)
I hope it helps. ;)
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Just a thought but it's quite possible you have a bad board. Either the mobo itself was faulty to begin with or the model has had some sort of design flaw, because Gigabyte is actually a decent manufacturer. A friend of mine and myself once had the same make/model motherboard. Mine died in less than a year and his took a month or two longer before his failed.
In my current, albeit out of date build, I have been running an FX8120 CPU w/ASUS M5A99X Evo mobo since 2011-12. While I am fully aware of the overheating issue with the Bulldozer, both have amazingly survived overheating when my main case fan broke off during the first incident, and later with a faulty water cooler (the Corsair H100i) which died a month after I bought it. I have since bought a Thermaltake Chaser MK-I which has much better airflow than my last chassis. What a huge difference a case makes!
I suggest springing for an ASUS motherboard - and make sure it supports the FX series chipsets so you can pop in your current CPU. I have been using ASUS mobos for the last 15 years and never had any problems. In addition, I've also been running an Antec 750W PSU I bought in 2009. Power supplies also take a little bit of research, but here is a tutorial about what kind of PSU you should look for based on your needs. Same goes with your case and cooling... Check around the site of the tutorial link I gave you. They have all kinds of product reviews with do-it-yourself tips.
While my suggestions may or may not be available directly in India, don't limit yourself based on what is available locally. You can always try purchasing them from on-line vendors such as Newegg, Tiger Direct, Amazon, etc. where you have more choice options despite having different power connectors then in the US.
Good luck!
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SORRY NO MONEYZ FOR GA ATM
CAN I HAVE UR ATTENTION AND PRECIOUS TIME PLEASE !
i spent 1300 $ to build a pc but i was an idiot then still am now but things have changed i have u people now !
also i am not listening to the crappy shop keepers who selected my build last time !
so my last pc turned to ashes took psu , cpu cooler and motherboard with it also case is shit now been eating dust from 1 and a half year
as i have no job so no moneys ;_; but i finally saved enough to fix it what i have is all rma-ed and hopefully working
what i need from you guys is to help me select
1) case - preferred nzxt brand cause they sell in india and looks the only reliable company
2) psu - any would do as long as they sell in india
3) motherboard - last time shop keeper selected it for me and box said it supported amd fx series but when it burned even though i was on stock and i went to rma they refused saying it did not support the cpu i ran it with
4) cpu cooler - preferred water cooling cause last time air cooling did not cut it !
my old build CPU: Fx 8350 |
CPU Cooler: Coolermaster Hyper 212 Evo |
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-DS3 (rev 1.1) |
Ram: Corsair Vengence 8GB DDR3 |
Graphics Card: SAPPHIRE HD 7870 GHz Edition 2GB GDDR5 |
HDD: 1 TB samsung
PSU : cooler-master 500W THUNDER
ps - i still have the motherboard it works but i do not want to hook it up with my cpu ever again
212 evo and psu are gone , my old case is a toaster to begin with so fuk it
also my old parts have no warranty left so please suggest a good psu i do not want my gpu do die soon due to weak psu my old one was crap
never trusting shop owners with decision making again...
Thank you for your time
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