Should I do it?
don't forget that a 250GA don't give 250 times the CV.
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Oh, I don't know... sounds like they might be more familiar with Steamgifts than me... I could make a mistake and try to give away the game inside a puzzle for example... Hide a link somewhere and then people don't see it... This guy seems more experienced with this :p
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Please submit a report that is a violation of the guidelines.
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+1
https://www.steamgifts.com/about/guidelines
Do not ask users or developers for keys or gifts, whether in comments, chat, or outside the site
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I've never noticed that "outside the site" part, but it sounds a little extreme... It might not have anything to do with the context of SG in some cases.
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If you're asking in an unrelated context, say for a single key for your own use then even if site support can prove it they can't action it. That line is referencing purely in the context of obtaining keys to giveaway here.
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I asked a friend to buy me a game once and said I'd pay him later (and did), I wonder if I'm banned from using the site? =)
But yes like EggShen said it seems pretty clear they mean about asking for keys to giveaway here, which IS a disgusting practice
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I wonder if this is a banable offense it should be
Any mods care to chime in?
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If support banned this user. they'd have to ban all the giveaway groups who essentially do the same thing.
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Do not ask users or developers for keys or gifts, whether in comments, chat, or outside the site.
It's against the rules so it should be bannable.
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I'd give him 50 made up keys and let him deal with the consequences.
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Oh nice. You guys wanna help me generate fake keys, lol?
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Here's a database already waiting for you - https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/NGyJa/need-help-creating-fake-steam-keys xD
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this link is not so good advice because i don't need even to check this keys to know that they're fake.. remember that steam don't use "1", "o", "s", "u" in keys ;)
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I understand "1" and "o", since they can be easily mistaken for "I","l" and "0". What's up with "s" and "u" though?
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Wow, that's a stretch. Might as well exclude "W" because it's literally "UU" or "VV". If "S" looks like a "5" then "Z" is totally a "2". Fast-forward 20 years from now, all problems are solved when steam keys consist entirely of emojis.
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this link is not so good advice because i don't need even to check this keys to know that they're fake.. remember that steam don't use "1", "o", "s", "u" in keys ;)
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IT5C2-8WJQ9-KIHX7
V30XM-VP30D-4C9Z0
JBPEW-7INNA-ZTE8K
2V0GI-D9WX8-2DQ3M
GL0AM-0VTK3-I5JIZ
MMPN0-RB6PL-4KA4W
I4MIF-EQBAC-QG5CV
9EA2L-ADJQJ-KTTDW
8NB58-KCJVK-VJF24
VHHFD-NA6G0-TGRV8
VLDTR-FJDQF-3GAQ4
EB8JF-XM9NB-PDD8Z
HX4Y7-PP8JE-97DJN
CXVNH-QL6R5-H9M77
44RX9-KRINJ-2QV4I
BP5QI-V3EA8-J44EM
JFX9J-W4XWZ-GREVD
2Y7G6-YPQAF-Q8EMB
DX4XC-WW6D6-NIH69
LHNRP-7VZIK-VFTMP
PRHZZ-YNKW2-HANCW
I4FGD-PZNKX-759PD
MTDYP-69LP8-N4NJN
EK246-RY4KH-FIVM9
ZABEK-QJWFN-NFZVJ
4JQK5-9VTX3-BZ9FR
32G8G-AZATQ-GPJ7B
7G04N-4TFNR-BC58J
8EQ2Z-RILTX-P53FW
K9N06-ZM033-MME4N
R7YCY-QMF9H-Q8ZHN
BRCGY-BM9FH-FNMVT
FZJAG-TIXFB-KXB90
MZ59Z-QBVMH-648PE
R48CV-LZF65-ZKNZM
ICXV8-HXKF8-KF4ZT
JPP4G-KARBA-5KEYE
KZ2XI-GM6XC-PRYH5
BKLTM-75TC9-CC8FB
7I0KF-PRD4L-Y3QDD
PYHT3-GVGBJ-RK070
M8N7K-A8KGL-MN40I
5JDA7-MQ93D-M4I8X
4ARE5-XGKDG-97GYK
BTCBJ-I63LL-AN9C5
VWDN9-LYY3J-2WH55
2HT69-006Q4-9HX60
ZTHNL-BB7DH-XL4PH
NX9YP-ZFJE6-NT0AM
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I wonder, if he really sent those keys, if the mail sender would "verify" some XD
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If he sent exactly 50 then using one would prevent the person form making a front page pinned giveaway.
EDIT: Nvm, just saw convo below
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And now we wait. I'm even giving them the opportunity to see this thread, lol.
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I can give you more keys if you want to give him a bigger "damage" ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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I'm out of ideas.
Told him something's wrong and sent him another key to try. The one for Dungeon Defenders 2 pre-alpha. Which is now free. What could go wrong?
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Say it was a test of his good faith, and he failed it. You'd totally generate 49 legitimate keys for him once you knew he wasn't just fishing for keys for himself. Ask him to promise not to activate keys for himself again, and do the same thing.
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I'm more interested in how the hell is he checking these keys and seeing what they are... when we're always told (here in the forums) key check doesn't exist!
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That makes two of us. Thanks to leniu, I've learnt something today!
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"That's odd, I generated them right before I sent them to you. You're not trying anything funny, are you?"
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interesting that he'd use 1 key for himself either way (why even ask for an extra bonus code for personal use...)
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He's not, he has some way of checking keys and seeing what game they are and if they are used. Look my response to Svipur.
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haha You've quickly risen up the list of my favourite developers.
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You're on my whitelist now. Thank you for making my afternoon. :)
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Thank you, got these :
MZ59Z-QBVMH-648PE wyatt derp
R48CV-LZF65-ZKNZM 16 bit trader
16bit trader was on my wishlist for years, thank you !🎅 👄 to 👄
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Gr8 opportunity!
well, at least i share it on my groups and don't beg around for copies to cv boost :\
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sounds like one of the mails the admin of the original traders group sent out a while ago.
and to be honest, if games cant get greenlit without "promotions" like that, they probably shouldnt be on greenlight in the first place.
stuff like this is the only reason why steam was flooded with trash in 2015 and especially 2016.
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Game has been released a month ago. There was a topic on steamgifts. And another "dev log" topic for months while I was making the game. That's what makes it so funny.
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It's one of "those guys" who see Steamgifts not as a community, but the place to "reap free AAA games only if you know how to play the system". Of course they weren't reading the forums.
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i don't think the games he got count as AAA or even single A :D
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There are whole groups centered around doing this sort of thing.
You'd be surprised how many users on SG are doing it ....
Just make a giveaway for your own game.
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I did this, once. I'm planning to do it again, the dev and me are quite nice / okey friends.
I didn't intention it as farming, just wanted to help him.
Since hes having a hard time promote his game.
:3
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That's different. It's not a problem if you make a giveaway, it's if you go around and beg people to give you keys to make giveaway.
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if you really wanted to help dev without intention of getting personal gain you could just tell dev about SG and let him make GA himself. Even if he don't meet requirements if he told he wants to make fetured GA for his game he'd get dev account withoiut meeting 100$ non-bundle criteria 9in past there's been dev accounts with 0 or 1 games on them making GAs on SG).
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He does not have enough value. :/
But thanks for trying to help.
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like I said - he does not need to have enough value to make a Developer account. You need 100$ value to make normal account, Developer who want's to make Developer GAs can get an account even while having 0$ Value account.
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Oh, cool, didn't acually know that! I'll let him know, thanks. :]
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I know who it is! It's that level 10 guy who has that shiny white van!
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Get in the van kid, i have some steam keys you might want ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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D'oh kid, Steam keys are virtual. Try to grab one!
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Not if they're written on little strips of paper :-p
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This one? He could change 'candy' for 'keys' though to be clear of the intent.
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yo NB you might want to censor the screenshot as you do not reveal the username but if you visit his example links you get to right to it.
otherwise this is ridiculous, please update if he uses the fake keys
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Imagine how crazy would it be to give this dude 20,000 fake keys and tell him to promote a certain game, usually when such large amounts of keys are being given away users share at /r/FreeGameFindings/.
Just imagine!
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Really scummy thing to do. Even though a user doesn't get 100% CV after the 5th copy, giving away in massive amounts still generates considerable CV. I remember that guy who made the 25000 copy GA of some game a few years ago, and he straightaway shot to level 10 with the SGv2.
I'd say don't deal with him but you already happen to have a "surprise" brewing for him, so good luck!
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The CV is less than you think for larger scale giveaways. For example, if you're gifting a $10 game...
- 5 Copies - $50.00 CV
- 10 Copies - $86.85 CV
- 50 Copies - $139.21 CV
- 1,000 Copies - $140 CV
- 100,000 Copies - $140 CV
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That should not happen, since even if you giveaway a billion of the same game, the full CV from that will be 14×Base_CV, so unless it was 25000 keys of a 500-dollar software pack, it was not enough for even level 9 in itself.
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The end.
I wonder who told him. Had to be one of you guys ;)
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I don't think so... but there's time. ;)
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Did you send his "personal" key as a legit one? :(
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No I meant if you didn't send him, he would know by trying them. If i were you i would send 1 as working key and first 10 key as duplicate keys from your game then rest as random codes. Perfect plan. :p
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Thanks for the lunch time read :D. Though I still recommend making a support ticket to get his butt booted from the site. Dev keys are usually a grey area but this case seems to be clear cut to me.
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As a member of Charitable Losers, I feel something should be done in the group as well...
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I see his membership there is what really strikes us as a sore point. Dev key beggars are nothing new around here, but that kind of exploit seems to turn many morality compasses towards an alarm bell. (And now try to disassemble that metaphor… =D)
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I've passed the matter on to Delta and he'll make the final call.
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I've already passed the matter on to Delta and he'll make the final call. I may be a mod, but I'm mostly inactive and it would be bad form for me to make a call on a matter like this. The above is just my personal view on the matter, though I should probably state that I'm generally fine with dev sponsored giveaways so long as their is a clear benefit to all parties involved. If he was willing to do a review/video or was part of a curator group, this wouldn't be much of an issue for me, though I know many here do not share the same sentiment.
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Thanks a lot indeed for the update. I am in no position to make assumptions, so I won't do. I am sure Delta will take the matter into his own hands and decide for the best, whatever his choice will be.
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And apparently he is one of the charitable losers.
"Charitable" my ass.
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Only two users have ever made a 50-copy giveaway of No Thing, and only one of them has a 3-copy giveaway of Kopanito. So it wasn't a large pool to choose from. It was a very simple database search and cross-referencing.
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I was just about to follow that trail :)
Thanks for confirming.
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Also he said exactly the number of entries the giveaways had, so it's only one possibility.
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How do you find out who previously gave away a particular game? Or did you just search inside that group's history and happen to find the person there?
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Also, only one of those 2 giveaways has 15,239 entries, like it says in the email
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The original pic on imgur used to have non-censored giveaway links
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It is. I don't give many fucks about begging for dev keys as long as they are for promotion only. I actually like some of the guys doing promo work for smaller studios here (even though ironically I have sent out more Artifex Mundi keys than the official Canadian representative, but I guess it will change eventually).
But this guy also won USD 2,000 worth of games, over USD 1,300 worth of unbundled ones, many of those from high levels or from the Charitable Losers group giveaways. And apparently the only charitable thing in him is the amount of time he put in entering as many groups with high giveaway amounts as possible.
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Funny...I was just considering whether to blacklist him the other day, smelling a rat.
Plot twist: I just corrected my failure to do so.
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I had decided to give him the benefit of the doubt and didn't BL. So I just corrected my failure to BL.
When possible, I say things in confusing ways.
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You mean, you corrected your failure to not BL, right? Still confusing ;P
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I guess it's a language thing. I'd say I failed to blacklist him. I corrected my failure to BL him by BL'ing him. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[Edit: If I had failed not to BL him, it would be like I was trying not to BL him, but in the end I couldn't stop myself, so I ended up BL'ing him.]
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Oh God, my brain. I will read this post a couple more times, I'll probably get it then what you said (sleep deprivation doesn't help either).
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It is simple: he successfully realised that made an error in blacklisting by non-blacklisting the guy, so he corrected his non-blacklisting error by pressing the blacklist button. =)
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Off topic but how the hell is your Steam profile blue? o_o
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Ah, possibly. What makes some users blue then? I've never seen it until today.
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There's an option to select a theme instead of steam default one, and it's shown to anyone with ES userscript. You can even set custom backgrounds I think.
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If you have ES you can set a profile visible to other ES users.
Just go to edit profile.
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That's neat, but for some reason it doesn't work for me. After changing something and hitting "Save", I get redirected to the "Sign into www.EnhancedSteam.com using your Steam account" page, and upon signing in, I am redirected to my profile page, on which the change wasn't applied.
I tried a dozen times trying different things but nothing worked. Any ideas why?
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No idea, did you edit the custom settings in the bottom and hit "save" on the bottom right?
Also try hitting "save changes"?
Make sure this is checked:
In the settings>Community>Profile:
[ ] Set custom background on "Edit Profile" screen
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Yep, I checked thoroughly and tried both "save" buttons. Still nothing. Maybe my version of ES is messed up.
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ES profile changes take a while to show up. Yours is blue atm for me.
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Argh, what the hell. I don't see it on my own profile, and yet I can see it on other's. :(
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I had some weird issues with ES a while ago. I cleared all cookies related to steam and fixed it.
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When ES starts ot act up on me, I usually just click on "Clear cached data" in the Enhanced Steam neu at the top of the page and it fixes itself.
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Tried that first along with reinstalling it. Didn't work for me.
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Well, it doesn't show for me, so there's that o_O
(I mean it's no different than any other user's - and I do have Enhanced Steam)
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If mine doesn't look orange to you, then maybe there's a setting to toggle somewhere.
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Nope, definitely not orange o_O Seems like I'm doing something wrong indeed haha
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Make sure this is checked:
In the Options>Community>Profile:
[ ] Set custom background on "Edit Profile" screen
And that you have the latest version of ES.
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I don't even know where– what.
I probably don't have the latest version then.
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I just re-installed it and now it's completely broken haha. Awesome. -.-
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Maybe you should go to the options and hit reset to default or something
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No, no, no. It's gone. It won't even appear on steam's page anymore. And yes, it is installed.
Whatever, I guess.
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Found the issue. I was still using firefox 42 for whatever reason and ES wasn't compatible with that.
The hell, firefox?
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Creator of ES dropped support for FireFox some time ago.
Now they develop only Chrome version, and you need newest FF version to be able to use it (I'm not IT-educated, but I think it's like FF can now use chrome "versions" of addons, so ES creator don't have to create two separate versions - one for FF and one for Chrome).
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Well, there is a version for firefox - thing here was that for whatever reason my firefox showed as "latest version" even though the latest version is 50 and I was still using 42?! So yeah, simply updating made it work again.
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He should have at least made sure to use proper grammar. Reading this almost made me throw up.
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Very, very few Russians can speak English with little to no mistakes. (And a few other nations as well, for that matter, but this guy is Russian.) Granted, those who do, can do it pretty damn well, to levels where they can even mostly drop the accent.
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If someone wants to promote something in English then that person should have near-perfect to perfect grasp of that language. That person has no shame.
How do you know he is Russian?
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I used the info on the picture to deduce which user it is, and his Steam profile isn't really hiding his nationality. (More like proudly displays it.)
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I dunno if it's true, but Russian is also difficult for English speakers to learn apparently.
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English is a fucked up language and I say this as someone who studies English literature XD. Most native speakers cannot speak it perfectly so expecting non-natives to do so is a bit mean. The overall quality of the email is surprisingly good and it is rather easy to follow the logic throughout the text.
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As someone who is hired to write English documentation, I can safely say that this kind of work is specifically done mostly by people who are not native English speakers, because the natives actually have quite a poor grasp on their own language. And I am not talking about the typical hillbilly levels of dumb but even educated city people as well.
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I know what you mean. I wouldn't say that native speakers have a poor grasp, but rather that they have become accustomed to the nuances of the language. English is naturally very vague, which is unusual trait when compared to other languages. Without proper context and tone, the particular usage of certain words/phrases can have completely different meanings. This is why you can very easily have misunderstanding between peeps when fragments are taken out of context (i.e. Fuck Twitter).
I'll admit that my grammar is rarely on point and I have to go through various drafts/edits before I submit my work and even then a mistake can slip through :/. Helps that I have used to speaking with non-natives (I'm 1st gen Canadian) in everyday life so I know how to be as clear as possible, but it is not easy :/.
Fuck this messed up language.
Love the poetry it produces though :/.
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Heh, tell me about it. Actually taming the English language is a gargantuan task. My work is largely based on the Chicago Manual of Style, and when people see how thick the physical book is, which mostly consists of grammatical and writing rules to reach the goal of a uniform and regulated English… well, let's just say it can be surprising how many pages you can dedicate to the apparently complex topic of where to put a goddamn comma.
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Fuck Oxford commas :P.
I mostly use MLA format, which has gotten a lot more lazier with the new 8th edition :P. I actually prefer using Chicago Style since I find it more informative, but it doesn't relate to my field of study unless I digging through history/philosophy texts :/.
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Too lazy to care :D. Honestly, their new citation guidelines is "do what you want."
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In 10th grade we took an entire semester learning about what a comma is used for and how a comma is used. After a whole fucking semester most of the kids still didn't know how to use a comma.
A whole 4.5 months learning about a dot
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English is a fucked up language
While that is true, I still absolutely love the English language.
"The Chaos" by Gerard Nolst Trenité actually is my all-time favourite poem - because English is so messed up and irregular.
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Haven't been reading a lot of poetry lately (mostly Early American stuff lately) but I would recommend The Ballad of the Harp-Weaver by Edna St. Vincent-Milay or The Drunkard's Child by Frances Ellen Watkins. Word of warning, there is a good chance that you will cry at the end (if you are sensitive to this type of stuff).
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It's not a typical poem but rather a list of words that are spelled similarly, but pronounced completely differently from each other.
Thank you, I'll check them out! Also, thanks for the warning, I'm not, so it's all good :)
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a typical poem
No such thing. If you want to see confusing shit read e. e. cummings or Ezra Pound for the classic mind fuck and Christian Bök and bpNichol for new age mind fucks.
Read Absalom, Absalom! by William Faulkner if you hate life.
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Fair enough. Talking about mind fucks, have Morgenstern's "Das große Lalula".
(Hint: None of these 'words' even make sense)
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That's an awesome poem :D Someone wrote a similar one about the hungarian language, it's similarly mind-twisting when you have to slow down while reading to even understand what's going on :D
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I know, right? :D Oh that's cool! I love stuff like that, honestly :3
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I am aware that a lot of native speakers don't know English very well. I have friends from UK and USA that have dreadful grammar and they don't even seem to know the difference between "than" and "then" or "your" and "you're".
While my English is not perfect, It's mind-boggling to me that there are native English speakers whose understanding of the English language is so inferior to mine; me being Croatian who didn't learn English in school but have instead learned it by playing games, watching movies and chatting with people online.
Anyway, like I said to talgaby: "If someone wants to promote something in English then that person should have near-perfect to perfect grasp of that language." The grammar in that e-mail is absolutely unacceptable.
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The conflict that you are pointing out is the disconnect between colloquial and formal English. English relies upon mutual assumed knowledge of the given context and tone. While this may work in casual conversation, this type of language can be extremely vague and difficult to understand when written down. The phrase "Go fuck yourself" can either be seen as a playful retort among friends or an angry exclamation between strangers, but you wouldn't know that when seeing it written down in absence of context. This is why many native English speakers can't write for shit. They are unaware of the difference and write in the manner in which the speak.
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They are unaware of the difference and write in the manner in which the speak.
Precisely. Writing is like singing in that most people think they can do it well.
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To be fair old chap do you have any idea how bad the French and German teachers are in England (main languages taught) ? Joking of course but we English are a lazy linguistic people who will have a shock the day we all need to speak mandarin to our new overlords.
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I agree. I take my hat off to anyone who learns my language, which makes it easier for me to communicate with more people. Some players get frustrated at a paid game with too many grammar mistakes and obviously overlooked an editing session. Still, in casual conversation, I congratulate and appreciate the multi-language competent, despite fluency flaws. It is really nice in Thailand to be able to speak with Germans, French, Swedes, Russian, and others who have adequate English skills.
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I'll have you know that my English is perfect... as long as you ignore the syntax, grammar, and vocabulary.
At the very least, I can avoid most word crimes,
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(Took a peak, it's a level 10 user with all the giveaways being 3-5-10-50 copies, even some 250... not gonna reveal their username, of course, but makes me sick when I see what some users are willing to do in order to "get free games" directly, or indirectly by gathering CV)
EDIT: I've masked the identity of this person for a reason, stop trying to go around it. They informed me that some users sent them hateful messages and that's not nice, please stop. You should set example for others, not degrade this fine community further.
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