fallacies! dead rising has proven there are never enough zombies!
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i think my favorite is State of Decay, gave that feeling of trying to survive on a apocalyptic zombie world, and the sunken feeling of losing someone to the horde :c
cant wait to make more time for Dead Rising, and Dying Light, and Project Zomboid. n.nU
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Original version (http://store.steampowered.com/app/241540/) has absolutelly awesome reviews ;) The reason a lot of people are bashing YOSE is not because it's a bad game, but because they are angry at developer for their business decisions (and rightfully so, but using reviews to this is not a way to go). Dev released "complete" version asking people to pay full price to get the game again. No DLC-Upgrade or anything. So people give bad reviews to "punish" developer ;)
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It also earned it cause of the minor cut content, unfulfilled wishes and a whole lot of bugs and glitches they introduced with the new version, broke pathfindings ,meanwhile instead of fixing it, they were selling t-shirts. Nevertheless, the game is okay to try out and play cause it does have new features and such and I'm still looking forward to State of Decay 2.
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not really. While writing review you should evaluate product quality, not use it to show that you loike or don't like the developers. You say giving bad review only because dev made a dick move is a good thing? The same way fanboy loving company XYZ giving a shitty game by them a good review simply because he loves the company would be a good thing as well? Nope. Review should be objective and represent quality of the product, not be biased by whether you like dev or not.
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I can't agree more with that. And that's the major flaw with the Steam review system. A lot of people just put some random text in their "review" with some bad joke. That's not helpfull in any way.
A lot of people say not to go by the big review sites (IGN, Power Unlimited etc), but at least those really explain why they feel a certain way, something that is really lacking on Steam at the moment.
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It's not appropriate to utilize personal bias to determine a singular valid perspective on things: So long as someone's review was presented with sincerity, it reflects what they personally view as worth reviewing. Likewise, I personally hold worth in such reviews- to me, they don't represent some sort of odd sense of punishment, but a clear sense of representing the circumstances surrounding the game. I have enough confidence in my own intellectual awareness to recognize that I can make my own judgement off the reviews, and determine whether the game is worth getting in spite of such circumstances.
In line with that, I view your take that supporting someone regardless of their conduct is acceptable as being highly disagreeable and reflecting poorly on your character. I further find it significantly counter-productive and self-sabotaging, as it encourages further escalation of such behaviors in the future. As consumers, and especially with things often favoring corporations, we usually don't have any power to affect change other than through such gestures. To dismiss them would be to give up all say in how things progress in the future.
As far as this game: There are enough good games out there that supporting such conduct would only end up being more problematic than simply finding another game to play. Flip side, a steady disregard of the game by enough potential consumers will push it toward being bundled, at which point it becomes a lot easier to reach an ethical compromise. This is especially true with Humble Bundle, where you aren't actually required to give any funds to the developer in question (bless HB's heart) and thus no compromise need be made.
Personally, I view the game in the same vein as Paradox or Bethesda games- it's a shoddy, disdainful, and offensive approach to DLC/expansion/remake content (especially as many viewed State of Decay to be incomplete to begin with, namely in bug fixes that were released exclusively for the rerelease). But, like those, once you're familiar with how they approach things, you can wait for future games to release their final version. It's still a scam, but it's one you can at least protect yourself from while still allowing yourself to pursue your own self-satisfaction. Of course, with enough patience [or a willingness to torrent], you can limit your financial support for the game to a small fraction. But expressing your disdain in that manner punishes not only the publisher, who is usually the one to blame for the act, but the developer as well- and in that case, your response to the publisher may in fact punish the developer, which may limit continuations of the game in question in the future.
So as far as self-sabotaging goes, it's a bit of a complex issue. Then again, if you make it clear- say, with reviews- who you're blaming and why, you can convey a lot to both the developer and the publisher. In the end, even if this does sabotage further sequels to that particular game, it ought help developers avoid such involvements with the publisher in the future (thus saving other games), even if the publisher themself isn't willing to grow from the experience.
That being said, I have no qualms with your take, or viewing such reviews as improper. We all have our own perspectives and values, as I've just clarified. While it's fine to personally view such reviews as problematic, it comes across silly and hypocritical (given that there are views in direct opposition to yours, and you'd still want people of those views to respect your own) to claim that it's not a proper approach, since the only way to evaluate that is off the sincerity involved, and that is clearly present.
On the flip side, Valve encourages empty, outright offensive, and absurd reviews, and I think we can all agree that those are the real element that lessens the merit of Steam reviews.
In sum, the only issue is Steam's poorly managed and simplistic review system, not the validity of any reviews reflecting concerns with the circumstances surrounding a game.
Anyway, that whole giant mess of a response aside-
It's also worth noting that the game is currently holding at a reasonably positive 68% review rating on Steam and that the notable portion of the negative reviews that I've encountered in the past, as well as those I've just browsed through again, are actually complaining that nearly all the core bugs are still persistent in the game, that extra content is negligible, that mods no longer work with the YOSE version, and so forth. (In other words, it's a $10 retail tag for superficial changes and less functionality.)
Thus, most of the negative reviews are actually on matters that are of significance to the usage of the game (that is, being reflective of a dubious quality rerelease), and are not primarily directed toward the publisher's habits.
Much like the buggy Darksiders 2 rerelease, and the dubious design decisions for the Doom3:BFG Edition (which similarly broke mod support), the rerelease is viewed negatively for how it compares to the original. The fact that the publisher behaved poorly here (as well as for Darksiders 2) is just adding fuel to a fire.
On the other hand, for game rereleases that do work fine but have such shoddy DLC/expansion approaches, I've found that typically such "publisher-punishing" negative reviews as you've described are often in a very small minority (in fact, Borderlands 2 is still holding at Overwhelmingly Positive, and Dragon Age at Very Positive, despite their terrible DLC approach). More often, the negative reviews that touch upon such issues are actually due to broken promises, and made to warn new customers that they're not getting what they might expect [eg, Lego The Hobbit dropping its final act, Mortal Kombat X not including all DLCs, etc]. Again, that's all content related, even if it's also reflecting of questionable publishing/developing decisions.
So, no- as far as 'punishing' goes, It would seem the only ones being punished are the consumers, who got a poorly polished initial release, followed by a poorly polished rerelease that feels like it only contains what should have been free patches, they couldn't even pay to upgrade to.
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Also the YOSE edition has some minor content cut, many want were not fulfilled with it, broke many pathfindings and worst of all, it has alot of bugs and glitches that the original didn't have but yeah redeeming a whole game that could have been a patch is pretty shitty, in the mean time of fixing up YOSE, the assholes were busy selling t-shirts.
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it is unfortunately a case of entitled consumers, the new edition came with the expansions included, new content, new graphics, but because it wasent free for those who bought the old edition they get bad reviews.
The game itself is pretty fun, see it like an offline Day Z where you gotta go scrabbling for food and meds trough buildings, while avoiding zombies, the hordes of zombies can be pretty distressful but it never gets to dead rising numbers, can go either kicking zombies asses or all sneaky and avoid them, and it all gets wrapped with a serviceable storyline. it has permadeath witch i think is really well implemented, your character dies but the game keeps going with a different survivor. maybe my only criticism is that the map is not that big and the environments can get a bit repetitive later in the game.
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The game is supposed to still be somewhat buggy, but most negative reviews are about how it compares to the original version (and yes, the fact that you can't upgrade even if you owned the base game and all expansions prior to the rerelease). Inherently, it's supposed to be quite a good game. :)
Dying Light is supposed to be even better :D
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I started to play Zombie grinder and its nice ^^
which one would you like to see in a giveaway?
Hmm, maybe Sniper Elite: Nazi Zombie Army idk, too many games :О
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Plants vs Zombies
And I'd like a giveaway for Space Pirates And Zombies 2.
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It's not growing, it's testing\cloning, their still very much human and definatly not undead, the fact that they were human and still are stands strong as a fact above the rest. Either way, not zombies, that's just a simplification thing for youngsters.
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well, I have almost 2k hours in KF1 so...:D the “vanilla” game got me bored pretty fast (~300h) but we have a little community, ScrN mode, and this is a very nice balanced and improved KF1:) as for KF2, well for me it's not as cool as 1st part but it's definitely worth trying!:)
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I'm not a smartass but a common senser\thinker. People that call them Zombies and Zed's are wrong, that's a fact. They were never killed, they were never reanimated, they were and still are human test subjects = specimens. They made kids like you know them as Zed's cause it's simpler for the young minds. Hey, feel free post whatever games you like in this topic mate, I'm not some warden ahahah.
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are u 40 or something? what does age have to do with it? I am 23 and I am able to think as well. Just so you know, your "fact' is wrong, they were also called Zeds in KF1. just like zed-time, zed-gun and so on. I also find it pretty pathetic that u come here and instead of talking about the topic u just start attacking me with some nonsense stuff.
in fact, maybe u should instead go and play the game more since obviously u don't understand some things with your 182hs.
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Ofcourse I'm not 40, don't be ridiculous. What age has to do with it? Everything realy. The first game just like any game from the old times was made hardcore but as new generations come and as I'm sure you're well aware, more, newer aduiences come that people want to cater to aswell thus changing the meta's, such as the names in this instance. Ofcourse youre able to think, everyone can, what are you saying? My fact is not wrong, the features like guns and bullet time had zed on them but the enemies themselves didn't, just cause people like you like to call them "Zed's" doesn't make them that, their not dead, not even brain dead, the pain drove them mad as animals, youre ignoring their facts and lore or you never bothered to learn about specimens at all, their human test subjects, not zombies. Pathetic? Me correcting you pathetic? A waste of time maybe but pathetic? I beg to differ. I AM talking about the topic, look at my comments I've wrote to several people here. Attacking you with nonsense? Whoah there buddy, first off, not nonsense, common knowledge. Secondly, attacking you? What? I'm sorry, did I insult you, treatment you, abuse you? No? Then stop lying.
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1.i'm not your buddy. 2. u have nothing better to do than attacking someone about some word which doesn't even change anything. 3. yes u did insult me, the fact that u said that i'm a kid meaning it like humiliation. 4. talking about the game like u played the f out of it when in fact u have less than 200hrs. 5. developers call them zeds, people call them zeds, if u can't live with it, then it's your problem. 6. just fck off from me and don't even reply. bye
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RE4 hd hands down best yes but it bugs me how much capcom milks that franchise....
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯
There is something about them that makes me really tense. I can still play games with zombies in them (The Last of Us was awesome) but if I mess up, it really gets to me XD. With films, it is not as big of an issue for some reason.
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....well if it realy was us in front of them, then sure, I would be afraid too, but right now, all I can feel to Zombies is not fear, but potty, they used to be normal just like us, that's something no one ever feels or considers and I hate my councens for it. But yeah, tense, depends on how their brought to you I guess, you must have played alot of hands on approach zombie games or something then. TLOS was and still is awesome, yes, realy wished they made more multiplayer modes involving the infected. Mmhm. Messing up can definitely invoke tension but again it depends. With films it's not a issue? That's odd since their way more intense if properly watched and such, alright, I guess that's... Good...?
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Yah, there is the Exile Mod for arma 3 which pits you in an open map with loot, base building, etc... Then Ryan's Zombies and Demons mod which allows for configuring anything from Romero style zombies up to crazy teleporting special infected demon creatures. Sadly most servers focus more on PvP then actual survival, but some servers can be enjoyable.
As for State of Decay, it's a great game with a few minor flaws. It's strengths help balance it out greatly though, easily the kind of game you can invest tons of time into, especially with the DLC which are bundled into YOSE.
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Dying Light is extremely awesome! :D Other than that, the Dead Rising games are really good, the Walking Dead game is also really good, and I had fun with the Dead Island games too. Yep, I'm a zombie fan. :P
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They were supposed to release a sequel, but they keep putting it on hold. :/
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I love Left 4 Dead 2 and Killing Floor 1 & 2.
Also some "oddball" zombie games I enjoy: Atom Zombie Smasher, The Walking Dead and The Typing of The Dead: Overkill.
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The Walking Dead games, Resident Evil games, Left 4 Dead games and Nation Red! ^^
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What are your favorite zombie games and which one would you like to see in a giveaway?
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