Is this a good idea?
Good idea for the modders. I'm sure many people will make a crap load of money. Bad for the rest of us. But if you don't like buying for them, dont buy them. I sure as hell won't be buying any mods. Ever.
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I'm sure some Mods on Nexus will simply "move" to Steam, while this might set a weird new trend towards "fanmade DLC"
some might be even as good as those made by the game-devs themselves - maybe its them feeding you content through
a new less "criticized" ("fan-made") DLC-STRAW lol - have fun checking ...
Avoiding DLC altogether in general should be the way to go ...
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Apart from those rich kids who are Spoilt from their parents, Not many people are going to buy mods (Unless They're desperate)
Oh yeh, R.I.P Gmod
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I think it will be limited to few titles, cause it´s against the terms of many games/companies to sell the mods.
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I like the idea of supporting the people that put a lot of time and effort into making mods, but I'm not really crazy about the idea of paying for third-party DLC.
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Expect ppl making a mods of changing one texture to another using paint and selling it on workshop.
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terrible idea, or better an understandable idea that goes wrong. Here what I think about it, there could be a "donate" button, but hell no "buy", lol.
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One of the options is to make a mod Pay What You Want, i.e. donate.
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and 0€ is considered? I may pay 1 cent no problem xd, but this seems bad. I just thing this pay for mods thing will go more wrong, instead of helping that much.
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My wild guess would be: It's 1€, because majority of this money will go to dev+steam+tax. Creator would actually see 20 to 30 cents? That's why I think it's a bad idea. Better to just donate money DIRECTLY to mod creator if you find the mod deserving it. Don't feed corporations.
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yeah, good idea but i doubt it'll happen. i'm pretty sure valve dictates some kind of an agreement to modders and will ban the ones who mention direct donations.
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And that's how I visualize people getting paid through Steam for their mods:
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Have to agree. There are certainly freaking awesome mods I wouldn't mind donating to in thanks, but buying?
And here I thought today couldn't get any more face-palmingly ridiculous..
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It can be a good thing or a bad thing, it depends on how the creators of the mods use this power.
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Best thing?
Try any mod, Risk Free
When shopping for anything, it's still important to spend a little time learning about any product you are about to purchase. But, if after purchase you find that a mod is broken or doesn’t work as promised, you can easily get a refund of that mod within 24 hours of your purchase. View the full refund policy here.
I won't still use thought.
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Valve may restrict an individual user's eligibility for future refunds if there are indications of an abuse of the refund system. In this case, the restriction will be clearly communicated to the user and only apply to later purchases.
Translation:
Try to request a refund, just try, I dare you bro
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Also, 24hours is pretty tight with some mods. Sometimes you might discover weeks later that mod a isn't compatible with mod b, or that it messes up your game at some point.
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At first i was like "cool, people can chose to support modders" then i saw they can add stuff strictly as Paid Content, to which my reaction was "fuck off". Also it's retarded, why is there no third option, why not Publish as Free Content with a Donation button???
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Becouse Valve won't get a cut if the money is "donated".
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why not? make it PWYW and set a percentage for valve. donation =/= paypal donation
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Would you take a cut of money that was donated to charity? No? I wouldn't either.
A system similar to Humble's would be a bit more appropriate yes.
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Why make it paid at all? Make it a donate button and let people decide if they want to give you money to help out. Modding so far has been about giving others stuff to have fun with not making money.
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i'm not saying they should enforce this to every mod. but it would be better than fixed prices.
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Donations would be much less risky to Valve. This is frankly a retarded move on Valve's part as it now means if you find a modder sells copyrighted content (for example sells a Dark Souls skin in Skyrim) it opens Valve up to being sued bigtime. This sounds like it's all going to end in tears.
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I doubt that anyone can sue Valve. Their rules clearly state that modders have to make sure they don't violate third party copyrights. They also offer the option for copyright owners to take down content that violates copyrights. So basically they've done their part and passed all the responsibilty to the modders.
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Yeah, if anyone tries to sue Valve I bet all their games will 'accidentally' disappear from any search results. It's as always people who will find themselves with all risk and damages, not big corporations.
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I don't think the games will disappear over this .. just the one or the other mod. They made their terms under which people can earn money from their mods (while keeping the major part of the money between themselves and Bethesda) very clear: the person who submits a mod is responsible for not violating any third party copyrights. Valve offers a option for complaint for copyright holders in case someone doesn't play by the rules. Now that of course leaves two problems: first how would an original author even learn about that their work was stolen if they'd have to BUY the mod first if they suspect stolen content. What happens to the buyers of the mod when that happens? Will they get a refund or can they just keep the mod with the stolen content, even though nobody else can buy it anymore? In all of this Valve stays clearly out of trouble. They probably still keep their 75% share. So yes, you're right, the game is rigged.
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let's be honest. they work hard to make those mods. and they deserve nothing in return? i'm glad to see those folks are supported for their work now. besides i'm sure most of the modders who want to make mods just for fun and to make community happy will continue their work free. or maybe they won't. ohh... fuck.
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You got a point, mods are suposed to expand the lifespan of the game, Skyrim being the prime example.
If i now need to paid for getting a new folower/outfir/weapon/quest, i see it as a DLC and NOT a mod.
I don't mind supporting the creator, but like this? No thanks.
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The hardworking modders do the work out of love for the game they're modding and because they like making others happy.I doubt many of them would force people to pay for content to have access to it. If Valve actually cared about their hard work they'd have made this a Donation feature, not third party paid content from which they take a cut.
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lol yeah, why would they ... just as you wrote yourself > good labor
deserves an appropriate return of favor (money's still the best "favor")
only thing is:
- whats the difference to the already existing DLC flood?
- might that awesome modder be part of the game-devs himself, selling you another
piece of pie through the fan-made-tube (DLC 2.0) - who knows, thats some tricky sh** - free good mods > goodbye; free shit mods > hello; new uncontrollable trend > yeehaw welcome a new DLC-addition
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the only thing i understand from what you wrote is there won't be good free mods anymore. it would be good if you could write more reader-friendly.
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yeah sry. i tend to rewrite things a lot and forget to complete/fix them lol ... when not paying enough attention
and yes thats about what i meant, why would a good/great mod be offered for free, when it clearly would deserve monies
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because good modders are not greedy? at least i hope so. but on the other hand they also deserve to be paid. it's kinda complicated. at least for me.
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They CHOSE to work hard to make these mods. The mod itself is their reward.
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if you say so. always take a cat's words on mods. ALWAYS.
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Them getting paid is fair, but it could have been done in million different ways. Like, you know, Valve paying best, most popular modders from its frankly gargantuan cut, like they already do in TF2 and DotA...
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Well, I think that it is fair to pay about 3-5 euro for a huge mod with a lot of ORIGINAL content (not star wars / lotr TW)... but 1euro for one sword skin copied from DotA is just rude.
PS: From my point of view, they should keep mods free and add an option to donate money to the mod developer if you like the content.
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Well, let's see what comes out of it. First thought is no for me, even tho I hardly use ever any mods, but suddenly paying for something that was always free, nah. It's not the fact that there is an option to do so, it's they possible way that it setf off for the future is what unnerving people, and for good reason imo. Let's see how it turns out.
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Expect spam threads here from ppl, "check out my mod, and if you like it please buy it."
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I suddenly have a bad feeing about future Dot 2 custom game modes :(
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I actually hope it happens, Valve is really loosing it's shit lately.
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Not a question of if it will happen but when. Someone is going to post something stupid like from EA or worse, Games Workshop and the lawyers will come!
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And sometimes it's actually a good thing
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There is a guy selling a crowbar for Skyrim, ppl insulting him already in comments.
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is this PWYW for you? and does it start from €0.92/€1 (or maybe he meant $1?) like madjoki said? if so, there is regional pricing for mods too. i guess it's not surprising though.
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The asset is from Valve :x
"This submission was explicitly given permission to use Valve's intellectual property. Interested in making your own quest? Read my blog post to find out more about my experience."
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XD delicious ... love how quickly its degenerating already
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Modding has always been free. Authors get the satisfaction of people downloading and use them. It's nice for them to get money but Workshop has always been for me a source of completely free mods and this kinda kills it. Expect most of the decent mods beign paid something like dlcs.
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As if we didn't have enough DLC in games, thank you Steam, just thank you.
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now you need DLCs to be able to use some paid mods that require this DLCs D:
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I kind of like the idea of supporting the modders, and them only.
The thing is Valve probably takes away a certain percentage of income though, which is not ok, since they are just leeching/sharking on the contributors basicly. They are trying to monetize everything these days and act quite greedy lately.
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Yip. This sort of thing leads to the spread of HERESY!
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I expect that cease and desist is already on its way. Either that or modders will remove them themselves since they'd want to get paid.
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If that happens you can bet that Bethesda will be 6 feet under in the blink of an eye.
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Someone tell me that:
"We will waiting for Humble Mods Bundle"
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I'd say it was a good idea if I hadn't already seen how greenlight turned out. Also it would have helped if they had some amazing new mods lined up for release, instead of crap like a crowbar and a sword.
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Except the modder creates the Pay What You Want scale, i.e. the one I looked at start at $0.49 and kept adding dollars up to $99.99.
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Yes, but some peoples want 10$+ for mods, but maybe some modders want 0,49$ for the same mod, but with better content.
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I like that there is a 24 hour refund policy. That protects against all the crap mods out there.
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Yeah... no. In some games, especially in Skyrim, you don't necessarily know that the mod broke your game for some time. Then, one day you just enter some cave that has some code that the mod doesn't like and it breaks. 24 hours might be long gone by then.
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24 hour return policies are worse than no refund at all.
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1) download mod
2) save mod
3) upload to wherever (for piracy)
4) ask for refund
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Because 9 times out of 10 the problems never come up until after that 24 hours at which point they just say too bad the 24 hour refund time is over. 24 hour refund policies are pretty much just a fuck you, and are used as a way of saying "at least we have a return policy".
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Yup, thats apparently a thing now.
http://steamcommunity.com/workshop/aboutpaidcontent/?snr=1_4_4__118
UPDATE:
One mod has allready been taken down with DMCA claims, as the author did not have permision to use the assets.
Guess Valve has some re-thinking to do.
Source: http://www.pcgamer.com/paid-for-skyrim-mod-removed-in-a-matter-of-hours/
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