I do believe in the triangle too.
I'm a bit curious to know what you mean by "believe". Do you believe that it is a geographically treacherous area for traveling, or do you believe that there is some outside/"greater" force at play?
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There are many theories such as aliens, government secrets, maybe also deities and whatnot. I personally do not believe in non-scientifically proven events/effects, but I know there are people who do, I'm curious if it's the case here due to the choice of wording.
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I personally do not believe in non-scientifically proven events/effects
B... but... Isn't the whole point of believing is that you don't need proof? :)
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What? No.
It's possible to believe without requiring proof, but that isn't the "whole point" of belief. The point is individual choice in said belief, the parameters are for the believer to decide.
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Oh, come on! You must have encountered that vantage point before.
I mean it's more of a question of semantics but you can only believe in things that are based on faith. If something is undisputable it's not believing it's knowing.
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If something is undisputable it's not believing it's knowing.
"Fake news."
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Don't they say seeing is believing?
Anyway, I also think that you can believe facts. Maybe because you know its a fact and not fiction on a personal level, or because other people believe it too, or its scientifically proven.
I mean, plenty of scientifically proven facts, are proven false when better technology or better studies are conducted. Especially when it comes to diet.
Now, if we were talking about absolute facts like you cannot walk through solid objects, then yes, you wouldn't say "I believe people cannot pass through solid objects". At that point you can safely say you "know" instead of "believe".
Its all a matter of certainty. Just because something is backed by science, does not make it an absolute certainty objectively.
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All depends on whether you believe in a thing called "objective reality".
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I'm not a native speaker, so I might be missing something. But I had the impression "believe" means either
a) to have faith; i.e. "I believe in God. I believe in aliens."
b) to trust someone/something; i.e "I believe you".
In either case you don't need proof to believe. You either believe or you know. Different people when presented with the same fact (say a vase from ancient Egypt) can interpret it differently. One will say the people were really good craftsmen, the other will say it's an alient technology. It's a confirmation bias at work, everyone chooses facts that align with their beliefs. So we can factor them [facts] out.
Sure, you can go all philosophical and ask what facts are, and whether reality exists or not. But in general case, in my book, believing means you don't need proof to accept something as truth. When your "belief" is based on facts it's knowledge. (On a side note, I'm mostly likely affected by Russian, where Russian "to believe" is similar to English "to believe", and Russian "belief" is more like English "faith", and English "belief" is somewhat more of an English "opinion". Back in school my history teacher always said he'd believe in God if he gave him any sign. And I always thought that would be "knowing". And that's different from "believing". You either know or believe. I guess the difference is not that obvious in English or it's not there at all :) ).
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B... but... Isn't the whole point of believing is that you don't need proof? :)
I believe what you're referring to here is faith, not belief. Faith is belief unabated by lack of evidence. Belief is just acceptance of an idea. Evidence may be involved to arrive to the belief part.
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Did you personally prove everything scientifically or do you believe the people who publish scientific books/studies/research? Peer review is great and all but you still have to have faith that people are truthful. It's very unlikely that many scientists will back up a lie but still there is a level of faith required to believe anything that you haven't proven yourself (I hope this didn't sound disrespectful, it's just something I've considered when pondering science as a religion)
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Hmm, what I meant is that I believe in scientific explanations before wild ideas born from the human brain's imagination, to put it bluntly. For example I won't believe that the Earth is flat because a handful of idiots say so, defying all the actual scientific proof we have that it isn't. :P
In the same way I can't believe in aliens or deities being the cause of the Bermuda Triangle's meteorological occurrences causing disappearances, when it is a very improbable when faced with actual scientific facts. I can see how it is a curious phenomenon and I did like researching this a bit a while back out of curiosity, but I don't believe aliens or some other far-fetched idea is a logical explanation. Now, to be clear I don't deny any possibility that it could be either of those, but I'll always trust logical reasoning based on science (such as meteorology, geography, etc) over creative "explanations" with nothing to back them up ("It's mysterious? Then it must be aliens").
Could it be aliens? Sure, it could. Is it plausible? Definitely not.
I get that this might be a sensible topic (especially when it comes to religious beliefs) so I just want to make it clear I respect people's choice to believe in what they want - I just choose to do the same. Hopefully my comments here won't offend anyone or their faith/beliefs, as that isn't my intention.
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That's all sounds very reasonable, and I feel the same way :] Just trying to make the point that it takes a little bit of faith in the scientific community to answer the questions that we can't.
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lol, yeah wondered the same. I don't think anyone really disputes the existence of the Triangle.
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Shame nothing happened to me. :(
What if I told you that everything you have experienced since that point was an illusion and that none of this is real?
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Sorry, didn't mean to put a damper on your mood ;)
What I try to do is break things down into small, managable pieces and take care of at least one thing that makes me feel good about myself or improves my situation every day.
Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
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Didn't read the article so I"m hoping its a Twilight Zone scenario and the crew are all still unchanged
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<devils advicate> I don't know I highly suspect Miami is a fictitious place (I mean come on just look at some of the things Florida Man gets up to it has to be fake right?) Making one of the three points mythical would be disputing the reality of the triangle right?
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It gives me hope that my missing socks are gonna be found someday too
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Serious answer time: There's a lot of unexplained stuff in the galaxy. But time tends to answer some of those questions. So I will just wait, and see. If there's no evidence then I won't believe in something.
Until that day there's are the only Triangle's that I believe hold power.
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I must disappoint you :(.
Two major factors contributed to the ship's fate, according to Barnette's account: A sudden storm, and a ship that left port ill-equipped to deal with the weather.
Wooden hatch covers for the ship's cargo holds were in disrepair, allowing water from rough weather to slosh below deck, Barnette's research showed.
“The ship was doomed at that point,” Barnette said.
Caught by a massive, quick-moving storm, the crew "had no shelter”: the situation went from “bad to catastrophic in very short order,” according to Barnette.
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The story isn't quite as exciting or romantic as the headline - they checked some paperwork and identified a wreck discovered decades ago as the missing ship.
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Nobody did due diligence decades ago....lazy stuff by the discoverers, surely.
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If you think nothing happened to you then it worked :D
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Spoooky!
Seriously cool, although I'm glad I wasn't on that ship.
Unexplained recurring phenomena are always intriguing. Especially the believable ones.
And another cool thread to read :)
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Apparently they found the wreck of the SS Cotopxi. A ship that vanished 95 years ago just outside the border of the Bermuda Triangle. Supposedly the ship, and all it's crew, just vanished one day while sailing from Charleston, South Carolina to Havanah, Cuba.
I don't know about anyone else, but I love these kinds of stories. I do believe in the triangle too. I was on a cruise with my family in 2006 and realized that we sailed right through it. Shame nothing happened to me. :(
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