To be fair, if a wall of text is going to be posted, it could be a little more eloquently written. I skimmed briefly to find "The second think we get." and I figured the whole thing would probably take too much effort to translate in my head. Granted, it may be the only error, but I won't be fooled again.
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So we say you win Borderlands 2 from me and Kaytlin, you receive both copies and mark mine as received and her's as not, or you mark both as received and nobody notices and so you have 2 copies of B2 which is against the rules. Also neither me, neither Kaytlin can see if you won B2 from and hers, she thinks you won only hers copy, so do I.
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Let's say there are 2 B2 giveaways. you want the game, you enter the giveaway. So does a certain other person. The person gets two copies and gets away with it. He sells one for real money, let's say, 25 bucks or whatever. cheaply just to get fast cash
Is this fair to you?
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If after you won a game SG automatically removed your entries for the same game and precluded further entries for the same game, wouldn't these be solved?
SG already knows what games you've won. The information is already there.
Additionally, if someone has marked a gift as received, and their account does not show that game the next time it syncs (after the week grace period), it should auto-suspend them. This might already be the case, but if not, it should be. Again, all the necessary information is already in SG, it just needs to be used.
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What do you mean in the same period? When you win the game from Person A, it should immediately remove your entries for that game with Person B and Person C etc.... SG doesn't need hours to do this. It can be done instantly.
Yes, rarely, you might win a game and then not receive it. You will then have lost the opportunities to win that same game during that week grace period. But, that is a rare event.
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How is someone winning two copies and re-gifting/trading the second copy any different to doing it with the first copy? If you're implying that people are actually planning this.. to win two copies at once then I say good luck to them.
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I agree with this. If once you win a game you cannot enter it anymore unless you mark it as not received, many problems will be solved. Also if the game doesn't appear on your account --> insta ban.
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the winner have to reject a gift if he/she won 2 or more copies of same game same time. and then the gifter request to reroll.
but better than that if SG system can support it.
I agreed with you about second part. I try to check winner's profile before send a gift but sometimes I missed it.
this looks easier than first for make it I guess.
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I've only seen that happen to Yatterman that one time, in which case one of the giveaways was rerolled. I don't know that there'd be a preventative way of getting around this, as SG already operates on not being able to enter giveaways once the appropriate information becomes available, as q00u pointed out. Don't know if you'll be able to make that system any more efficient, but if there was a part I didn't understand, I'm all ears.
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There are more problems - e.g. what with retards who post non-Steam game giveaway (as BF3 / Minecraft) - obviously fake one and get hundreds of fake contribution? We can't check if game is delivered, only support could ask them for proofs. But first we need to find them and think, if this can be abuse or not.
Friend just linked me profile to one guy who posted only BF3 (2 copies) in small group. 2 entries and he got 120$ of contribution... (already reported)
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At some point I guess the admins could get around to somehow creating something allowing their support to just have a list of such giveaways to quickly do a check on them for any suspicious situations, but it's a long shot since they're very occupied as is :)
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You would be amazed. Just check the profile of the entries on a Dota 2 giveaway, I can assure you at least 5 persons have already won it, some more than once. I have reported several people who have won Dota 2 5-6 times in a month, so you can't say they entered all the giveaways at the same time and then forgot about them. No wonder the Dota 2 giveaways never seemed to end since most of them would then make new giveaways with the games they won.
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You'll almost never find that happening with anything except DotA 2, and that just here recently, because of issues specific to it. It's not really a problem with other games due to the extreme rarity of multiple wins within a short period of time and the weekly auto-sync feature. People entering for things they've won because they failed to redeem the games, on the other hand, could possibly be an issue, but, again, unlikely due to the rarity of public wins and the unlikelihood of people who either don't know or don't follow the site rules being invited to other kinds of giveaways.
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I agree with idea of this, but there are two issues I have with it. Does it prevent you from entering giveaways you've got a win on as soon as the giveaway ends, or as soon as you mark it as won? Either way, you come across issues. If you prevent it as soon as the winning giveaway ends, then you're kind of screwed of the other possible wins if the giver doesn't follow through. If you wait until they mark it as received, what's to stop the winner from waiting until the last minute to mark it as received (or simply not mark it as received simply by because he "forgot") so that he can still win other copies?
The other prong of this is simply that the giver should always check out what's going on with the winner. In your case, it isn't like this guy won them all at once. You could tell what was going on if they'd taken the time to check the winner's profile. He marked all of the previous DOTA2s as received and his wins were more than a week apart. Unless you're telling me that he waited until he received yours before marking the DOTA2 he received 3 months ago as received? I doubt it.
Don't get me wrong - I'm not condoning what he did. I am glad they don't really get to plead their cases, in those instances. Cheating the system of games is wrong, no matter how you put it. As a giver though, you should take the responsibility and ensure that the winner is valid. You not checking until -after- you sent the gift kind of puts you at fault here.
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Yeah, the second one, I saw just that he didn't received Dota 2 and didn't scroll down, which was my fault.
But the first link about The Ship giveaway this dude won both withing an hour and marked both as recieved and neither the other guy, neither me knew that he won both of them.
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Ah, then yes. Ideally he should have contacted one of you for a re-roll instead of being a greedy-pants. That I can understand, but...my argument still remains. In certain circumstances, automatically withdrawing that person can mess up their chances of winning that game. It would put you out of commission for that game for a week. If it's a bundle game, the number of giveaways could go from 15 to 3. I think it depends on certain circumstances. Additionally, I think if someone periodically creates giveaways and is consistently failing to deliver, the system should either prevent you from making additional giveaways or come up with a way to store the game at the time the giveaway is created so that it can be delivered automatically upon the close of the giveaway.
Along with what I mentioned about checking out the winners, it's also important for the winner to check out the giver's history. Personally, when I win, I do go through and withdraw my entries in those games. I give the gifter a day or two before I check his history. If his history checks out, I have no problem waiting (even if it does take past the week). If his "received" rate is below a certain percentage (65%...40 at the lowest), I'd probably start entering the giveaways again.
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I agree
Also, they should have an option for the people that win giveaways to request a new winner instead of just the giver requesting a new winner
For cases such as when a person wins a giveaway, then buys a bundle that includes that game
and doesn't want to get accused of regifting a won game or simply just wants someone else to have the extra copy
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Agree, though you should have posted this to suggestions. Test case:
1) 1st Gifter marks the 1st gift as SENT as soon as possible.
2) 2nd Gifter gets an error message in red telling him/her that the winner already has won the game, and should ask for a REROLL.
3) Disable the possibility for the 2nd Gifter to mark the 2nd copy as SENT.
This should prevent the winner to win a game twice, always.
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About the part on winning and it not being delivered;
Support is rather slow, though, not too sure about urgent matters.
But I reckon it's not considered an urgent matter, and as such, people will not mark it as urgent and have to wait quite an age to get a chance to win that non-delivered game again.
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i do like your idea. assuming he wins a giveaway, all other giveaways are hidden/unentered. UNLESS say, a week goes by, there's proof that it was a fake giveaway.
I like your stuff man
btw, i remember you :)
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Hello SG,
You probably didn't remember me, I had some good ideas one year ago, you did a few of them which is great. Now I'm thinking of suggesting you something else, because of the anonymous status we get here, which sometimes is inconvenient, also for the activation of the games on another account. I gave this and that and problems, lots of problems, for 3 days there were 2 accounts suspended which were suppose to be suspended a LONG time ago, so here is what I'm talking about.
About the anonymous part.
So imagine two or three gifters make the exact same giveaway at the exact same time or in the the week the winner is suppose to get their gift and mark it as gifted. So let's say Person A wins a game and Person B gives the game to the winner, but Person A has entered another giveaway or enters another giveaway for the same game and wins it. So what happens Person A wins 2 times and Person B sends him the game, congratulation to Person A, but the problem is Person C also sends him the same game for not knowing Person B sent him already a copy of the game, and therefore Person A now has two copies. Now comes the handy stuff, he gets the two games and marks one as received and the other as not received, or both as received at the exact same moment and whoops, a pop-up in his account that he won two copies of the game. If he is Über he can get three copies. Yes he can get suspended but still, it's not right, there should be something else for a system that catches that kind of stuff.
The second think we get.
So... A gifter sends the gift to the person he is supposed to, he marks it as gifted, everyone is happy, but not truly. So the gifted person doesn't activate the game but trades it and nobody notices, then he wins again because his library isn't neither sync because of the miss of the game, neither there is a system that prevents him to join a won giveaway again. So the last person I sent my unwanted dota 2 won 3 copies of it and traded them all. There should be a system that prevents you from entering a giveaway if you already won the game and marked it as gifted. If the gifted is scammed by the gifter then there should be a case and reviewed, and if he didn't received it, make so support marks them as not received so they can enter again in giveaways for the specific game.
So I thought I got something, but then got distracted by some other persons... If I remember will post it.
tl;dr
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