Why not set your GAs at Level 0 again? UPDATED: Thank you all for your feedback!

Bots?

xD

Why not give away only to "Playing Appreciated"? =P

Hey there. I'm sorry if this has been asked before. But as someone very new to Steamgifts (not even a week here yet!) I am slightly puzzled why people don't just post all their giveaways at Level 0?

Is there something I'm missing? Are the higher levels trying to avoid bots? (I heard mentions of these!) I was in the mind of just giving everyone the chance to win great games if ever I give away game keys. Or do people set levels only for games they think is special or something.

Can someone enlighten me? Throw me their two cents?

(I made the mistake of setting my first 3 giveaways at one month each, and now I'm stuck waiting for a month before I can even think of leveling ;D And joining giveaways ofc. I've been lucky so far! I wish I could make more giveaways! I've got about 20 keys and gotta wait for the month to finish lol)

I always do level 0 giveaways only. Still, since the recent steam gifting changes, I can't even give away anything. xD

Also, some people like to give to givers...

Welcome to Steamgifts, Alkorri! :D

These are two reasons people may want to add a level requirement to their giveaways:

1. Rewarding people who have contributed something
2. Avoiding rule breakers (lower level users are usually new and tend to break some rules. Adding a level requirement slightly reduces the chance of needing to re-roll)

That's pretty much it, honestly. It's up to preferences.

Who gave away some games, generally has a better idea how the site works than absolute new people, so it's easier to get hold of them about activating keys and such. Easier to deal with someone who spent at least a little time to get into the system.
( you can try to submit a ticket and ask for more givaeway slots - not sure how fast it would work, but maybe you could get more opportunity to give away your games than waiting a month :)

I think, the most common' reason for not making level 0 giveaways is that some people don't like "leechers". When you make a public level 0 giveaway, there's a good chace it's gonna be stormed by hundreds or even thousands of people who won a lot but never gave anything in return. I'm not saying that it's wrong, I'm just stating the fact that many giveaway creators don't like it.

Another reason is, that with level 0 giveaways you usually have a high percentage of rulebreakers (non activated wins, regifted, multiple wins ...stuff like that).

An then, there's bots.

Level 0 is a key cemetery. There are at least five digits worth of bot accounts, tens of thousands of people who enter anything only for a +1, and I would be vastly surprised if the played percentage of games won at level 0 public giveaways was higher than 0.01%. (I remember exactly one person from my 3500+ ones who actually played it.) You only put up keys there when you are absolutely not caring about where that game ends up or if it will ever be installed.

I mix it up, usually depending on (how I perceive) the quality of the game. I'll set bundle trash at low levels and put better games at higher levels. Plus, if everyone did GAs at level 0, what would be the point of, or incentive to, leveling up? Your reward for giving away a lot of games is that you'll gain access to GAs where you have a better chance of winning.

because that defeats the purpose of levelling?

I make some level 0 giveaways, but like others have said, I like to reward the people who keep this site running rather than people who are just here on the take.

can't speak on behalf of others(too lazy to read other people comments), my thoughts on the matter are simple:
1) i don't like people that give nothing to nearly nothing gaining things(example someone giving away a game or two and then leeching for 3 years and winning over 500 games).
2) bots.
3) i sometimes do set my levels for giveaways on lower standards but normally my giveaways are made for my whitelist(very special group consisting of 31 people only atm), my groups, and publicly high levels(atleast level 5), pretty sure you understand my intentions there.

that's pretty much it, ofcourse not every person thinks the same way but the majority of people that do restrictions on giveaways think the same way as i do i believe.

Mainly to avoid

• Rule breakers
• leechers
• Constantly creating support tickets.

And encouraging

• Members that contribute
• Members that knows how the site works
• Members who will play the game (hence group giveaways for Playing Appreciated, Actually Playing games etc)

Welcome aboard the train to crazytown. :)

There are a shitload of people on this site using scripts/bots to auto-join giveaways blindly, without reading descriptions and without regard for what the game is. Giving away a VR-only game? Probably 99% of the entries, if not more, will be people who do not and will never have a VR rig. Same if you're giving away a game for toddlers, or whatever.

People at higher levels have proven themselves to be engaged with the site, by making giveaways, and are more likely to be actual human beings who are paying attention and using their brain when entering giveaways. There are still high-level users who use autojoin scripts and enter things blindly, but the percentage is smaller the higher up you go, in my experience.

There is no reward to the giver for making low-level giveaways. If your GA gets more entries, you as a giver do not benefit from that in any way. Level 0 users are more likely to break the rules of the site and cause headaches, so there are only negatives. Other than perhaps making yourself feel better about giving more people a chance to win.

Out of a million users, 850,000 of them are level 0. That means they have never given away a single thing here. You can literally buy a key for 1 cent (or less) and level up in 1 hour.

That being said, everyone is free to give whatever they want to whomever they want. And they can also choose to never give anything away and remain at level 0 and miss out on a bunch of giveaways. :P

I used to do lvl 0 gas until recently.
Looking at winners... leechers, bots...

i will keep doing then- but from now on much more rarely.

I'll try listing every possible reason why people do this (I don't necessary agree or disagree with them):

• New members may not know how the site works yet.
• New members may be alternative accounts (I've seen people with up to 16 alt accounts).
• New members may try to claim an additional key arguing the one they got was a duplicate, then giving you a negative feedback (marking the giveaway as not received).
• New members may try to sell/trade the game they just won instead of activiting it.
• Giveaway creators may want to reward those who have given away in past.
• Giveaways creators don't want to feed leechers any more (know a guy who has been a member for 5 years, has won 566 games and given away none).
• Members using scripts to auto-join every giveaway (but this includes every public giveaway, not just level 0 giveaways)
• And finally, giveaway creators simply want to avoid the hassle of dealing with any possible outcome listed above, so they don't have to create a ticket (SG staff has better things to do).

With the creation of sgtools many of these issues were tackled, but this means another step in a long process depending on how many giveaways you created.

Oh, and this is my reason: I'm part of giveaway group now, so giving away games to people I know it's somehow more rewarding.

I started off making level 0 giveaways but found I had a lot of problems with winners - up to and including people entering giveaways with scripts who complained their wins were 'shit' and people who didn't understand the concept of marking wins as received. Making higher level giveaways saves yourself a lot of hassle - at the very least it means your winners will have had to have made giveaways of their own and will understand/appreciate what is involved.

If you feel strongly about making giveaways that are available to all users I'd suggest making invite only level 0 giveaways and posting the links as trains/puzzles/whatever here in discussions. It's something I've done in the past and it generally works out a lot better than posting public level 0 giveaways.

Hey there. I'm sorry if this has been asked before. But as someone very new to Steamgifts (not even a week here yet!) I am slightly puzzled why people don't just post all their giveaways at Level 0?

The lower the level, the greater the odds of the winner being someone who breaks the rules. My last low level giveaway resulted in multiple people getting permanently suspended due to repeatedly breaking the rules. Support must have been really happy with me for all the extra work that giveaway generated ;)

Out of the 7 winners of that particular giveaway the played stats looks like this:

Games with any Playtime 75.1% (127/169), Games with ≥1 Achievement 5.66% (6/106)

(card farmer)

Games with any Playtime 1.51% (7/465), Games with ≥1 Achievement 1.98% (5/252)

I don't know why this person enters giveaways. They don't even farm them for cards. To rob other people of the chance to win?

Games with any Playtime 71.7% (38/53), Games with ≥1 Achievement 0.00% (0/28)

So not actually played a single won game...

Games with any Playtime 70.5% (43/61), Games with ≥1 Achievement 0.00% (0/39)

Same

Games with any Playtime 13.3% (4/30), Games with ≥1 Achievement 0.00% (0/15)

Again, this person just takes games.

Games with any Playtime 17.7% (97/549), Games with ≥1 Achievement 0.707% (2/283)

And again. A bit of card farming going on

Games with any Playtime 76.4% (113/148), Games with ≥1 Achievement 1.16% (1/86)

And another farmer.

I'm fine with people not playing things like bundled games instantly, but really, 549 won games, and you've played 2?

So yeah, low level public giveaways tend to just go to bot users. Low level forum giveaways are still not great, but a bit better.

I used to set my giveaways at level 0, but now I mostly set them to level 2 or 3.

As for time, I set mine for one hour only! I like lightning giveaways bc they're more exciting and also I don't have to worry about them for that long.

Most everything has already been said but I'll throw in my own two cents-giving a small level restriction does weed out most rulebreakers but I wouldn't aim to put it too high unless your specifically looking to reward high levels.
Also +1 for the comment about joining playing apreaciated. Basically you have to play about any thing you win from the group within a month and it's a great way of giving away games you think are better than others if you want them to actually be played by people.-on that note you wouldn't need to put a level restriction on one of these group GA's to weed out rulebreakers. (It doesn't have a high requirement for joining so you may still get someone breaking the rules but it has a reaĺly still limited chance in comparison.

As for how long I like to make my GA's around 2 days long to maximize chances for people to enter if they want the game.
The only reason to make hour long GA's is for trying to level up quickly. I've also made a few week long Ga's but they were for events

Well.. lower levels have more participants. meaning chances of winning are lower.
I havent given away alot, but once I achieve higher level, I also give away for higher level.
I personally dont like the fact that freeloaders can just register and get games.

Give something too. Than youll get back.
I understand that for those who give away A LOT of games, there are more logical reasons with facts and all.. (like Fnord already mentioned before me)

But for a regular user who wins something, gives something - its more about the moral of it all. Also Ive seen in descriptions this too - people want to give better and more expensive games for those who have contributed, not just some random dude who just enters every giveaway (not even talking about bots).