Is it a good change?
I've never used any scripts here for any of the giveaways. Half the fun is trying to join a giveaway just as the time is about to run out. My poor reflexes have caused me to go to the giveaway page 1 second after it ended. D'oh!
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300 entries in 7 seconds, lol
Maybe they'll learn to put limiters and stop attempting to spam the site next time lol
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Time to celebrate!! I guess? xD
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LOL, the Steam group is literally flooded with "I've been unfairly banned" posts right now...
Today is a glorious day for the Steam Gifts community!
Let's celebrate!
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So much work for a chance to win a free game.I cry every time.
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He's got a point there. I don't use a script but not being able to enter 300 giveaways in 7 seconds is going to seriously harm my user experience on this site :-)
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You would betray sloth-kind by not taking things nice and slowly? Shame on you. :|
:P
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Please, only don't block script "extended steamgifts" too, it's just helpful script.
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А мы уйдём на север, а мы уйдём на север!
Guys, why you all don't like people, who use autojoiners?
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Main gripe is it means you're not reading the gifter's description/requests which is considered rude.
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Description typically contains links to something and "technical" information of GA like permissions to entries of bundle or "will be sent to email".
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Doesn't change the fact that you're not reading the description. Somebody like me who writes nothing and expects nothing won't care much, but if somebody says they're depressed and want people to post funny pictures to cheer them up certainly would. Bots remove the social element to the site.
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But i can don't read description whitout using autojoiner.
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Your response makes no sense. Regardless, that's only one reason why people dislike bots. Bots also increase entries, which reduces the chances for active users of the site to win. I make one hour GAs because I'm impatient and want to reward the active users online at the time, but bots make that strategy pointless since everybody could be online at all times now.
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Yes. Everybody. Always can use autojoiners, so chances is equal. And it's cant increase points, of course!
Puzzles and trains? Whishlisted GA? Group GA?
BTW, that strategy pointless coz some peoples just enter in all possible GAs and going to play or walk.
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That logic only works if everybody wants to use bots. If everybody cheated in an online game, then you could claim that it's now fair, but only if everybody cheated. Most of your solutions can be defeated with scripts too. I'd rather people enter every possible giveaway, with no intention of playing them, than to use autojoin scripts.
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But what's the difference? Before release of my bot many users of it entered as now enter with bot: first wishlist, then every possible, if that was a high chance.
Why for u it's not equal?
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The assumption was that everybody entering every possible giveaway is actually reading the descriptions. If they're using a bot, then it's effectively the same as the wishlist bot you created.
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Auto-join bots kill the social part of this site. If you're here for free games and you don't care about anything, then it's your decision and I'm not in position to state if that's good or bad, but if giveaway creator makes a giveaway and clearly states that it's region locked for EU, or not available to redeem in Germany, then it's your fucking obligation to read, understand and refrain from joining if you do not meet the requirements, regardless if site allows for that or not. It's giveaway creator who is creating a giveaway for you and if you do not even bother with checking description (not necessarily reading it), then you do not have any respect for that guy and you're not worthy of winning anything from him.
There is a gigantic difference between bots designed to help humans by automating common tasks they would do, and between tools made purely for self-advantage. I don't have anything against a tool that shows you most profitable giveaways currently, but I do for something that that typically exploits the system by giving you unfair advantage of e.g. being 24/7 online. Unfair advantage is called cheating, and is against every social aspect of every game and service.
And those words are coming from somebody who spent hundreds of hours writing stuff that integrates with SG, automating his entire group by fully-fledged bot that makes use of nearly every aspect of SG. I'm even afraid that if somebody with wrong intentions got the code I wrote he could ruin the entire spirit of SG in notime. That's one of the reasons why that code will never be open-source, because everybody could use it for gigantic unfair advantage otherwise. And I'm not talking about joining giveaways itself, that's the most simple thing that bot could be doing.
I found SG points exploit that allows to generate infinite amount of points, thanks to my code. Did I abuse it for unfair advantage only because I could? No, I reported it to cg so he could fix the loophole. If I wanted, I could be abusing this winning more giveaways that I'll ever win otherwise - but I didn't, because that would be unfair advantage.
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I know I have you heartylisted for a good reason :3
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People who want freebies, kill the social part of this site. As I said, everybody who use autojoiner and who not use it can read description later. For all giveaways or only those that have won. Or do not read at all. It does not matter whether he uses a bot, or enter himself. He just will skip the description.
What is the advantage in that bot being 24/7 online? For example, I did not miss a single Point before I started to use the bot.
Ok, you found exploit. Nice. Thank you for not having published it. I would have done the same. Because exploit and automation SUDDENLY different.
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Not missing single point because of being 24/7 is unfair advantage, because humans need to rest at least a few hours daily and you're able to join giveaways while you're not capable of doing so by yourself.
Whether you agree with it or not is another thing. This is unfair advantage, regardless of what arguments you use.
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From what time zone you? When you sleep, I enter into the GAs, in which you at this moment can not enter. FUCKENK UNFAIR!
And yes, as I said, before using bot, I never missed a point. When I woke up, they have not yet reached the limit.
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Very well explained, still he refuses to accept you "may be right" or understand your arguments.
And thanks for keeping the ship safe, Doctor.
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"Typically" but not always. Sometimes there are specific instructions and links to other giveaways that you are missing out on by not spending a few extra seconds to look.
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20 seconds several times! And to be clear, it's not about only SG. Min 6 other sites.
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Every. Day. 6 sites. Some of them includes FREE ENTER GAs somewhere in 20 pages.
I can't understand your sarcasm, sorry.
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It's not "work" for me, but if i can make it automatic, why no? Humanity is the whole story was going to ensure that as little as possible to make actions.
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For the sake of humanity I just saved you a lot of time you'd need to order around giveaways won from me.
Hell, sometimes I'm just amazed how helpful I can be, no need to say thanks man. This is the least I can do for your free time :)
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If my worldview relatively GAs does not match yours, that does not mean that I do not respect authors of GAs and not grateful them.
I just do not think that a click on a button is fundamentally different from autojoining. And many do not read the description and without bots, believe me.
If you do not want to continue the conversation, so be it. Thank you for trying to explain to me your vision and anwering to my question. And for your time, of course :)
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In America, at least, we read the card attached to the gift first and then open the present. Your script just opens the present and ignores the card altogether, which would be considered rude. Simply saying thank you doesn't change the fact that you caused offense by your actions.
The only thing that doesn't scream entitled and greedy in your responses is that these are wishlisted games that you might actually play rather than +1.
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It's (and all of your explanation except "active users") about how to use bot.
I can joining only to GAs of whishlisted games. When i win, can i going to the GA's page and then read description. I can wishlisted author GA's. I can talk to him and may be will play together in some games. Only if I (User) want it. Same without autojoiners.
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Did you go to all the other giveaways that you lost and read those descriptions too? If not, then your actions are still considered rude.
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But if I (User) not read descriptions?:) I can read all! Do I want this, that is the question.
May be (just may be) at end of day, when i have free ten minutes, I going to read all https://www.steamgifts.com/giveaways/entered
descrptions.
As I see it, you have a claim not so much the bot how to inactive members of the SG community. If SG will permanently block all users of autojoiners, it does not help.
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The difference is that other people are not boasting about that they don't even give a dan about descriptions. You are, and all the autojoiner-users clearly state that they don't care about at all. You all openly disregard anything that may be in description, while other users are at least silently ignoring it. While the act is the same, the attitude is way worse with the bot users.
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As I already say: every user of autojoiner can read all descriptions later.
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If they're too lazy to join GAs manually, I doubt that they will read the descriptions later.
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Same without bots.
The problem is not in the program, but the people. That is why the bans for the bots will not help.
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I must go. Thanks for your time! That's why I love SG, not for GA's (love too, but less). Forum - that's soul of site :)
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If not, then your actions are still considered rude.
maybe by you. not by everyone. i don't use auto-join scripts, but i understand why people do it. and i am not personally offended by it, as many of you seem to be.
i read the descriptions. and let's be honest, 99% of the descriptions are garbage anyway. copy-pasted game descriptions from the store page are worth as much as an empty description, for instance. i don't feel like i did the author a service by reading that. some descriptions are purely written to trap all the "SG scum" by enforcing rules on how to react to the description. say thanks, don't say thanks, say it only after you won, or else - blacklist! i really hate those. it lessens my honest "thanks" by a lot, if the guy told me in advance to do so. hate it. interesting descriptions are pretty rare. i can really understand if people don't care too much about them. or only in case they won something. and really, if someone gives away a cheap bundle game worth 10 cents, and the description sounds a bit like "i am generous! obey my commands and be grateful by doing exactly what i say, or else!", then i completely understand if people ignore it. i sometimes don't join certain giveaways, because i don't like the description.
i personally don't demand anything in my giveaways. no thanks or anything needed. people may join, and if they thanks that's nice, if they don't that's fine, too. therefore i am not against auto-join scripts. i make giveaways, because it's fun for me, and because i want to potentially bring a little joy into other people's lives. i don't see how it improves anything, if i enforce a specific reaction to my giveaways. and i also don't lose anything, if not every participant reads my description. i know enough people do. if there is a percentage of people who don't - i couldn't care less.
and i know i will now get blacklisted by some people for my personal opinion on this - despite the fact that i said that i read all the descriptions and don't use those scripts. but again - couldn't care less. ;)
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"In America, at least, we read the card attached to the gift first and then open the present. Your script just opens the present and ignores the card altogether, which would be considered rude. Simply saying thank you doesn't change the fact that you caused offense by your actions."
That's the context of why it's considered rude. Rude is subjective, but I'm explaining why most people in this forum consider autojoin scripts as rude. The content of the description isn't the point. Had you read the rest of my comments to him elsewhere in this thread you would have saved yourself a lot of typing since I mostly agree with your perspective.
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but you don't get a present. you get the chance to perhaps win something. this is not an action that is targeted at your person. it is a completely different situation.
a more fitting comparison would be the lottery. you don't call their office and say thanks, just because you bought a ticket, right? and you probably don't even read every word on the ticket, because you already know how the game works.
no, of course that's also a bad comparison. it's the other extreme. ^^ SG is somewhere in the middle. but you certainly cannot compare entering a giveaway to getting a present from someone.
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It was the best analogy I could come up with to express the value people place on descriptions without wasting brainpower.
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Setting aside the "disrespect", you're still neglecting the fact that a bot gives them an unfair advantage in entering giveaways, meaning that not everyone has an equal chance at giveaways available to them.
A human being needs sleep, and often has other obligations away from Steamgifts.
A bot doesn't.
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but if you sleep and miss a giveaway, do you really lose anything if another guy enters it (with or without bot)?
no, of course you mean that a bot theoretically enters the maximum amount of giveaways and spends the points more efficiently than a human. i think this is true in some cases. if a guy doesn't have much time and visits SG maybe only every few days, then yes, the bot wins by a lot. but if the guy is here every day, several times a day, he probably spends all his points, all the time. in that case the bot is merely a convenience for him, but doesn't take anything away from you. maybe with very few exceptions, like the release of a new HiB. ;)
overall i don't think bots have that much of a negative influence on other people's odds. i could be wrong, of course. all i wanted to say is that i understand both sides, and that i personally don't have a problem with people using bots. but i guess it doesn't matter now anyway, since it has been confirmed that it's against the ToS to use bots. :)
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It's disrespectful.
A GA creator took the time to earn the money for a game, make a giveaway for a game, and send the game, but autojoiners can't even take 30 seconds to open the GA, read the description, and press the enter button themselves.
If it were up to me, they'd all be perma-banned.
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I use a bot. But when I have money, I also create GAs. And i not waiting more then just "thanks". I just want to bring happiness to a couple of guys.
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Not only is it disrespectful, but it's also against the site's TOS.
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It is against the ToS. It was just not enforced in any way until now.
By making Content available, you represent and warrant that:
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- the Content is not spam, is not machine or randomly-generated, and does not contain unethical or unwanted commercial content designed to drive traffic to third party sites or boost the search engine rankings of third party sites, or to further unlawful acts (such as phishing) or mislead recipients as to the source of the material (such as spoofing);
A giveaway entry is considered "Content".
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Who should I believe? One says that it is not against. Other says that it's against.
I would like to see answer of sg.
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Thanks! I had a look myself at the ToS and it wasn't clear to me to begin with - this should clear things up for auto-joiners looking for themselves...provided steam keys don't count as machine generated content ;)
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A giveaway entry is considered "Content".
directly above your quote it is explained, what content is. and the explanation doesn't even give the slightest hint, that a giveaway entry might be considered content. it only mentions what you would expect when hearing the word content (text, links, graphics...). maybe this should be made more obvious. i would have thought that those bots are completely fine, based on this passage of the ToS.
EDIT: this passage has the headline Responsibility of Contributors. this is so counter-intuitive, since a contributor on this site is someone who creates giveaways. when i want to know what rules i have to follow when entering a giveaway, the last passage i'd read up then is Responsibility of Contributors. ^^
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yes, cg said he should clarify the ToS to make it clearer than an entry is content.
Contributor in this context doesn't just mean someone who creates giveaways, but someone who submits content to the website.
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ok, nice to read that he will work on that. discussions about rules can get difficult, if the ToS&guidelines are open to misinterpretation. ;)
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If you treat me like game dispenser machine, I'll play along.
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The entitlement on some of those people in the group is pretty ridiculous. Oh well, some more names to the blacklist.
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it's funny when they come to this thread to reply xD
damn, bans should be easy as pie in these cases.
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I imagine we will get even more replies once more bans start running out. Perhaps even whole threads. Not particularly looking forward to reading those, but self calling out always does make things easier.
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just whitelisted you and some other good people )
and blacklisted much more
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Thanks! All I expected to get out of this was some retaliatory blacklistings, so ending up on the nicer list was a pleasant surprise.
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I can understand entering 10ish giveaways within seconds (connectin issues and whatnot), but 300.
I hope it don't think entering under a dozen within seconds a script/bot!
Have 10 tabs open to giveaways, your connection drops, you click on 'Enter Giveaway' on every tab, maybe it takes you 60 seconds, your connection then re-establishes it self, POW 10 entries in seconds....
edit: we will now see more complex auto-joiners, with a variable delay before each entry.
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Ya. The crybabies on the Steam forums act like this site owes them something.
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If your script tires to enter 300 GAs in 7 seconds you deserve to be locked out for 24 hours.
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This should be fine if it's only public giveaways. People will enter those anyways, assuming X person is going through each giveaway on each page, unless you can pick what games you want to enter.
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Easily bypassable. Just add a delay of a few seconds or more between the joins :)
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Or, you know, stop being an ass and enter the giveaways yourself for games that you actually want instead of relying on a cheat that bypasses the description altogether.
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I can see viable uses for scripts such as using it to only enter all your wishlisted games but if you are trying to enter 300 giveaways in 7 seconds then you indeed do deserve to be banned.
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<3
It's like the roommate who steals your food, pees on the floor, parties till the wee hours of the night, doesn't pay his part of the rent and threatens to leave when you confront him.
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I couldn't care less whether someone uses a script or not, but I suppose I'm in the minority. Most of my better giveways are invite only, group or WL anyway.
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I didn't even know that something like that exist xD
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That thread is great for playing "spot the leech".
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I don't mind if a person wins my giveaways and doesn't get around to playing it for some time (after all, steam backlogs can be intense!)
I do however want the people who enter it to actually want to play it, not entering just because it happens to be listed.
I think anything that auto-joins any open giveaways is definitely worthy of a ban, though if it auto-entered wishlist giveaways that'd be totally cool by me. Like the OP showed, 300 giveaways in 7 seconds is waaaaayyyyy off the deep end of ban central.
The more you know, I suppose? :3c
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yeah, but, then people would just wishlist every game ever made
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And i thought there's a limit on games you can wishlist. Guess not.
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I don't wishlist everything I see, just everything I miss in bundles, everything I want to play, everything that has good ratings, and so on.
There are people who wishlist literally everything, and their wishlists are substantially larger than mine :D
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Screenshots are answers from discussion on Steam about being unexpectedly banned. Before you ask - yes there are people who were banned for auto-joining only wishlisted gibs.
EDIT 1: I'd like to request to not have any kind of sexual intercourse with other users especially with auto-joiners in this thread :P
EDIT 2: I know I'm posting it a little too late but please discuss with respect or I will close the thread. It wasn't meant to spread hate towards some users so don't do it, pretty please. And don't blacklist too many people :P There are some nice users who use auto-join too. And they even don't have a chance to discuss cos they are simply afraid of you. And hate and fear always cause the worst things that are happening to mankind. Think about it.
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