A first-party third person shooter. Yes, "yet another". Enormous budget, enormous flop.
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I watched the trailers on Steam just now and yup, looks painfully generic. One would imagine that with so much money on the line someone at some point during development would at least try to make something different so it stands out, but I guess they were just chasing the trend and little more.
Also, it looks oddly washed out, like there's a filter on top attempting to make it look pastel but instead it just sucks the vibrancy out of the colors. But the earliest trailer doesn't look like that, it actually looks vibrant, how odd.
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Yep...
Yeah, that's really weird, too. I guess they tried to follow trends on that, too.
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The first time I ever heard about this game was last week when people online started talking about it being one of the worst flops
Same here. Apparently they had an idea to jump into an emerging genre... 8 years ago... got a bunch of money from EU and other entities... and then dropped the ball after all the seats in a hero shooter cinema were already taken. And then made it paid game, when Overwatch2, TF2, Apex Legends, Valorant and many others are free2play.
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It's interesting how they absolutely ignored feedback leading up to release, then had one of their former devs who had challenged gamers criticizing Concord, hid all their responses, and then tried to charge $8 to unhide people's responses to his post on Elon Net, where they both criticized the dev and offered critical feedback for the game. But now they're listening to critical feedback and removing the game, lol.
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As we always say if people want a massive multiplayer game to succeed best to go free 2 play route to at least get people to try it out
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Yeah, but the problem then is that that would be a way bigger backlash. If they start setting things in-game through microtransactions, they can't refund those. There would be no way for them to do what they're doing now, with the refunds for copies sold.
And honestly, I don't think this game would do well as F2P either. If you're interested in this sort of game, why not just play Overwatch 2? This offered nothing vastly different than other games already on the market.
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is overwatch 2 any better? it is sitting in the red on reviews also
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I loved Overwatch when it came out, but have completely lost interest in Overwatch 2 since Blizzard mismanaged it so completely. Compared to Concord though, I'm sure it's still a vastly superior game though. What I meant is simply that there are better alternatives (OW is one, but there's plenty of Hero Shooters), so going F2P wouldn't have saved it.
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The reason Overwatch 2 is sitting on red reviews isn't related to the game and its quality.
It's the fact that they promised an entire PVE game mode, and never delivered, while also removing the lootbox system that allowed players to collect skins in the game. The game has enormous quality and is insanely good. You should try it out.
They also stopped adding content to Overwatch for 2 years because they were making PVE content, which got canceled.
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It would seem a lot of forums are on fire just now across the board from Steam to Gamespot, YouTube to X (Nothing on Reddit - of course!) with the idea being that it's either a diversity, inclusion and equity push from a consultancy like Sweet Baby Inc. to have a wider scope of representation of underrepresented communities within the game or Sony pulling its sizeable cash tide away from Western markets until they are settled on making the game highly profitable for them.
I really don't know, but there's been a lot of that going on across entertainment this past decade or so.
I'd imagine it will get a make-over and be pumped out again with more options for those who want to play it. The reviews range from it being a fun game with an interesting universe to explore to it being a mish-mash of ideas that don't gel well together and would work better as a single player game (And of course there are those, for whatever reasons, who object to the supposed abundance of diversity ranging from race, gender, sexualities and other factors being presented in the game).
If Sony are smart, which they are, they'll use this as a free PR campaign to get the game in order and on the shelves prior to GTA VI coming out as that should floor most releases across next Summer and potentially longer.
The refunds are promising though. That's a sign of good faith in customers and will hopefully ready Sony a bit more from their DRM controversy history.
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The refunds are promising though. That's a sign of good faith in customers and will hopefully ready Sony a bit more from their DRM controversy history.
It's more like the only sane option they have. I read that they got about one million dollars in total revenue from the game, which doesn't cover even 1% of the game's 150+ million dollar budget, which isn't worth the extremely bad PR and risking legal trouble.
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It would seem a lot of forums are on fire just now across the board from Steam to Gamespot, YouTube to X (Nothing on Reddit - of course!) with the idea being that it's either a diversity, inclusion and equity push from a consultancy like Sweet Baby Inc. to have a wider scope of representation of underrepresented communities within the game or Sony pulling its sizeable cash tide away from Western markets until they are settled on making the game highly profitable for them.
A relatively small but disproportionately vocal group of people like to blame everything on the SBI Boogeyman lol. All those people really succeed at is outing themselves as exactly the type of people most of the world has left behind. They're also the same people who claim anything they don't like is 'forced inclusivity'. It's incredibly embarrassing.
What really happens is corporate executives who aren't gamers make decisions that are ill informed in gaming space, and so you end up with a live services hero shooter that nobody wanted. "Overwatch made a shit ton of money, so people must really want another one of those" type thing.
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A relatively small but disproportionately vocal group of people like to blame everything on the SBI Boogeyman lol.
Be that as it may, you'll always have trolls taking advantage of an unsettled situation to shake some chains and bang on the cages. That's why it's hard to sift through the forums to get a variety of potential reasons which I tried to cover in my prior reply here.
I think you are right that some corporate executive types likely came in and rehashed all the work that had been done over the 8 years of development looking for some quick cash and, like with what happens to many movies in Hollywood, the original idea and all of its shine got glossed over with elements seen as successful in other games out just now.
Hopefully the devs have back-ups of earlier parts of their plan and can put some of it back together again and get to show their talents and dream for the project to an appreciative world :)
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I'd honestly be surprised if Firewalk wasn't shut down by Sony. Even though I have no doubt Sony was to blame for this debacle.
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The devs themselves said the feedback from players was just "white noise" and boasted how they were ignoring it.
Sometimes it's not just Sony (which of course is also to blame).
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instead of listening to the testers feedback and the public general opinion upon the game release and after releasing, they only listened to the part where the game needs to "shut down". crazy how sony "listens to feedback", instead of making this generic overwatch clone of a game into f2p or smth, they decided to go from 40β¬ to complete shutdown.
also that one developer responding to criticism with a "joke" on twitter sums up what sony thinks of their customers - they don't care.
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Starting of with the price tag, 40β¬ was outrageous and everyone was talking about how there are literally so many hero shooters for free that do the exact work or better than Concord ever did - Overwatch 2 being the prime example.
Also being a live-service game... Like these being companies don't understand doing an online only game just makes it worse for you, in so many ways.
Also, I'm pretty sure if you look at the trailers before the game came out, everyone points out the same things im doing rn, but i'm not so sure about that-
And lastly, the game is really slow. Like it used to be a 6v6 game and now it was 5v5 but it still felt really slow, because 1) the game maps are huge and 2) ur character moves like a cement block, even the "faster" ones.
The game is fun, but it's just so bland and generic it doesn't find it's footing on an oversaturated market. And for 40 bucks (the base edition), whos gonna buy it?
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I get the price tag thing, and for sure, the game looks extremely generic and outdated. But I don't get not the live service critique. How else would a pvp shooter compete with anything on the market if not with the live service model? Players would move on pretty quickly if there aren't content updates, since all the other multiplayer games have frequent updates.
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I don't mind live service games, I mind being just online without having any proper tools to host private servers and having no roadmap about "future content" and stuff like that
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to take the game offline beginning September 6, 2024, and explore options, including those that will better reach our players.
They literally talk about that take it offline (not complete shutdown) to decide what to do with it. It's way better than letting it just go and leave people hanging, or to make a rash decision. They have more depending on this than you or I, so they also try to get a better solution.
Also, one dev is not equals to Sony. No need for the hate boner.
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I know that too, but when they are issuing refunds on all storefronts of the game, I dont think they are planning on releasing this again not even offline servers (but I hope I'm wrong). With the way they worded things, I think they just wanna use the work they have from this game and make something out of it? At least, I'm hoping so, I don't want the devs work to go completely wasted.
Keep in mind this is the work of 8 years in development shutting down in 2 weeks. If i was working on this I would be mad and concerned about my future, not dissing people on twitter that don't like your product.
And the fact that Sony doesn't care about customers it's not a made up thing, we saw the same thing happening (and keeps happening) with multiple forms of media. In gaming, Helldivers 2 got all that backlash because of the PSN account (Sony's fault) and Ghost of Tsushima too. In cinema, Marvel can't use villains that Sony used first even because Sony loves to hoard IP. And this is just the last few couple months...
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Only thing I ever heard anyone say about this game was that its characters were completely unlikeable, and that it flopped hard.
No idea how true the first part is, but it definitely seems to have been a disaster for Sony.
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surely The Day Before has to be considered the biggest flop in recent history
has Concord's launch really been that bad?
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The Day Before got a full month of servers being up, Concord got two weeks (Announced that they stop running on September 6th 2024 after August 23rd launch).
The Day Before didn't refund, Concord did.
Both pretty drastic flops, who wins biggest flop will only be told by the tiny communities that took an interest in them.
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The Day Before buyers were refunded by the publisher.
TDB was a scammy dev.
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The budget invested into this disaster is likely 100x more than whatever was pumped into The Day Before.
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The day before had 1/1000 of the money and effort pumped into Concord. And servers actually were online longer.
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2016 Battleborn 2017 Lawbreaks 2022 Babylon's Fall and more....
There are many other games that we're not familiar with that have long since gone to ground.
It's not the earliest and most famous of the big failures, and it won't be the last. Don't forget that Sony announced this year that five more games like this will be released before 2026.
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Fuck all the controversies about w/e shit people like to complain about.
The game had no soul. It had a couple competent characters but the rest was just ... i dont even know what they ware thinking with it.
40$ price tag on stuff you can get for free is just not happening in the current market for that genre imho.
Gameplay looked old stale and lacked anything unique or creative .
The voice actors sounded bored to be doing their job from what little in game audio i heard .
I dont think that game had a chance even without all the DEI and w/e other shit people pull out of their ass and blamed on this game.
Half assed game when you have shit like deadlock which is in beta and feel more complete ... good luck charging money for that
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Game like this, as well as Dustborn, should be a lesson for companies.....but NO. They will blame cisgender white male and spit on WuKong.
Same with "The Acolyte". They will never learn.
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I'm sincerely surprised that they offer a refund to people who bought the game, honestly. I thought the game would just die and that'd be it.
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I dont get all the hate. Yeah the game is derivative as hell - like so many, even more so in this genre (hero shooters). Sure most characters are ugly, but theres a lot of ugly but popular games. Technically the graphics, gameplay and performance seemed top notch. IF i were into that kind of shooting i wouldve wanted it, probably liked it...
...but i would never have bought it.
The insane dumbfounded unexplainable idea i cant conceive is how tf sony wanted a price tag on that. Even if the game had stellar character designs everyone loved- multiplayer games behind a paywall mostly fail nowadays. I think the exceptions are only possible with unique niche games (like Hunt- nothing else like that) or extreme hype, ip weight power or something like that. Like if valve were to release a new CS with a price tag, many would hate and complaint but many would buy
But frankly not even that... i think any multiplayer game nowadays with a price tag have a fraction of their potential player base. Say 5, 10%. Reason why they cant cloud the popularity of the free ones... and most even sucesfull still have lower player numbers then most would like
Now im wondering if the unapealing characters had something to do with it. Like some Sony exec looking and thinking 'hell no, we wont be selling cosmetics like this'. Maybe they hoped to catch on with some influencer or hardcore streamer +the 'vignetes' helping to warm people to the characters before trying discounts and down the line a free to play update.
Thats what you get for going with 'dynamic pricing'. I bet Sony knew f2p would be better, they were only hoping to milk money from fomo like a early premium- hoping it would sell way more, then from those sales streaming/reviews helping drive more sales and only a good awhile after sales dropped anouncing plans for going f2p. After all if they anounced plans for going f2p from the start people most wouldnt buy it. But most didnt anyway so...
That reminds me of WAYFINDER- the game launched in EA, pay 2 play, but they had plans of being f2p- so only the EA was paid. As a result a lot of potential customers didnt buy (decided to wait the full release), leading to no money going in, nearly crashing, pivoting and repackaging the game and all their plans...
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I don't think it's hate of Concord so much as it is mockery of Sony, because this game it had a very obvious trajectory. It's a derivative, full price hero shooter in a crowded market of free to play hero shooters. It wasn't going to last long but Sony was the last to realize it.
Ok, I think there is a little bit of hate for Concord. Devs keep trying making these live service games hoping for some moonshot which rarely happens, and it's tiring to see it happen again and again.
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"Go woke, go broke" in action. Epic Sony victory. Another one after Sony killed its epic hit HELLDIVERS 2.
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Look, this game has way worse things to worry than being "woke". This game did not failed because it was woke, it failed because it has no personality, costs money unlike the competitors and comes way too late for an hero shooter. Stop believing the "go woke go broke" shit already.
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Believe that it's not related :) This is not the only reason, but one of the important ones. C-C-COMBO. In such games, the characters are important, and here they are all progressively ugly boring clowns. Just look at WHO they offered to play as.
Just two weeks after the release and the game with a budget of ~200 million dollars and 8 years of development is being closed in disgrace. This is a historical record, an outstanding example that will be analyzed in universities economics courses and gamedev faculties "How NOT to do it ever".
The developers of Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League also played the Blackrock MESSAGE. Did it help them? Online 50-100 people per day. Literally a couple of days ago "The developers of the game Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League were kick out on the street".
You know, if these and similar developers/publishers was publicly spit dirty at potential buyers, then suddenly they get a response, only not a couple of spit, but a whole sea, in the stinking depths of which they shamefully drown right now.
What they deserved, they got.
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Yeah keep telling yourself that to feel relevant but the truth is most companies you have ever said that about are still standing, still making billions and still laughing at you. And Sony is not about to "go broke" because a game folded. Neither is Disney because of The Acolyte or Warner Bros because of Suicide Squad.
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^This is correct^
The whole crying about 'woke' thing is nothing more than embarrassing at this point. But the world has moved past these jokers, and so I guess it makes sense that they would shout into the wind rather than actually put in the nominal effort it takes to simply become better people.
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I am indeed. SKREEONK!!!
And agreed. That is an ideal scenario.
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Ah, so you think the slogan is literal, right?
Apart from the two previous examples you gave, there are many cases in which brand activism was for the worse. These are facts, the examples are there.
Disney itself has made several films that have failed for the same reason. Because you activists forget that the entertainment media is for that, to entertain, not to shove your propaganda down people's throats.
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Ah, so you think the slogan is literal, right?
lol oh ok. It's a metaphor.
there are many cases in which brand activism was for the worse
Maaaaaany many cases. All these cases. And yet I never get a straight answer from any of the sheep using that slogan to make themselves feel important
Disney itself has made several films that have failed for the same reason
And they have had a lot of films that failed for other reasons. And they're still at it. So you haven't change a single thing except making your own life miserable pointlessly.
Because you activists
I'm not making movies.
not to shove your propaganda down people's throats
Lol not unless it's white dude propaganda like the last 100 years of movies. From westerns to war movies to Miami Vice and all that BS. They were basically documentaries about real life. Riiiiight.
They pushed their propaganda so far down your throat you actually believe it was real life. But you don't care about that one because you enjoy the illusion. That's the only difference.
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making your own life miserable pointlessly
Whoa dude, I think you have a little anger issues. You clearly speak from your own experience and try to reflect it in others.
But you don't care about that one because you enjoy the illusion.
No dude, you simply don't understand my previous sentence:
you activists forget that the entertainment media is for that, to entertain
But it's ok, if you believe that the issue isn't the "woke activism" (sorry if that triggers you), keep believing that. Reality and truth always prevail, and it is proven day by day with every failure in the industry.
Sorry if my english is broken, not my native language
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Oh please. The very least of recent Disney movies' issues is stuff like a diverse cast. The writing sucks and they are milking their licenses despite lacking quality ideas. That's all.
The result is that even us 'acitivists' consider content like Secret Invasion absolute trash. Or wait, was that actually a MAGA show? Conspiracies, race purity and an Invasion? Go MAGA, go broke?
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When activism is put above story, characters, and entertainment, that's what happens: they fail miserably.
It happened recently with Concord, Suicide Squad, Dustborne, the Saints Row reboot, among many others.
But games without activism and propaganda like Black Myth: Wukong are successful, curious, isn't it?
And I'm talking exactly about the cases in which that happens, there's no need for the strawman of "but that's not why it happened in something else."
By the way, why so angry? I haven't called you names and I'm respectfully talking to another human being. Just because I have a different opinion than you doesn't make me your enemy.
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Another "Sure thing, Betty" scenario. Meaning: Just because you claim that these failed games "put activism above story etc" doesn't mean that it's true. And even if it would be true, you'd have to provide any hard evidence that this was the reason why they failed.
You know, something like a serious investigation into a matter rather than spamming "go woke, go broke" at every opportunity.
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Well, my friend, the evidence is right in front of your eyes. If you don't want to accept reality, that's another problem.
I even gave you the example of Black Myth: Wukong.
In my country we have a saying that fits perfectly with this situation: "There is no worse blind person than the one who doesn't want to see."
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Lol. The only "evidence" you provided is a list of failed games and making claims about them. As if their failure itself would already imply that your claims must be correct..
No idea what you expect but nothing you mentioned warrants that you or your claims should be taken serious. And for that reason I won't waste more time in this "debate".
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I don't need you to take me seriously or believe or not what I say. Things are what they are and if videogames, movies and media with a woke agenda continue to fail as they have done so far, that's the only evidence and fact that matters.
Have a nice day
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I really don't know. It seems like nowadays everytime a new game comes out there are always people who claim it's woke for various reasons. The reasons are usually unprovable and based entirely on speculation which seems to help create this cycle of conspiracy of "wokeness".
But yes I genuinely want to know why this game is considered woke.
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^^^And this is why you should never listen to people who use the word 'woke' as a pejorative. Dude is crying about a robot, lol.^^^
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^^^Yikes. This dude just inserted his racism into his crying about woke robots. Yowser. One thing I do appreciate about these anti-woke dudes though is they always let you know exactly who they really are with only minimal prompting.^^^
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"Now I'm going to play the racism card because I simply have nothing more to offer and I prefer to play the victim. And I will also try to insist that he's crying to win the argument. Also I gonna accept that the game is woke with woke robots in it". Lol.
Yes, the liberal leftist manual in all its glory. Good luck with that.
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Nobody forced you to leave a racist comment, lol. That was all you. I guess you're in the "deny the thing you just said publicly" stage, eh? That's embarrassing.
Tell us more about woke robots, if you don't mind.
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Just butting into the conversation to say that grouping people by their skin color in an argument is in fact racist by definition.
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No isn't
https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/racism?q=racism
Don't try to reinvent the words
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Yes it is.
The second definition at the link you posted: "a general belief about a whole group of people based only on their race"
Don't try to reinvent the words.
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And what's the general belief about white liberals that I said? Nothing.
I think you said "grouping people by their skin color in a argument is in fact racist by definition". But it isn't
Don't blame your poor reading comprehension on me.
Here you have the Oxford Advanced American Dictionary so you can undestand it better: https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/american_english/racism
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You said: "The only ones crying are white liberals". You specifically grouped people by their race as a way to deride and demean them, because you have a belief that those of said race are representative or synonymous of a type of propaganda and/or activism you don't like. So yes, your statement was in fact racist by definition of the first link you posted.
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So according to you, grouping people together is racist? lol. Also you totally ignored the "liberal" part. Saying a group of people is crying isn't racist, you dummy.
Then if I say according to the 2020 census, 12.4% of the total US population are african american, you'll say that's racist. Because I identified a group of people. What a joke.
Finally, you conveniently skipped the first part of the first definition I gave to you: "the belief that there are different races of people with different characteristics and abilities, and that some races are better than others."
Keep up the intellectual dishonesty! (Or maybe it's simply ignorance, who knows).
Bye!
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No, grouping people together is not racist if it's for an objective and factual conversation about culture, biology, or statistics. However, that's not what you did; You equated a race of people to perceived undesirable thought processes or acts without supplying data to back it, which is racist. And no, saying that you included 'liberal' doesn't make it any less racist.
There are multiple definitions for most words, alluding to the idea that one definition is false because it doesn't perfectly align with another is just nonsense (or intellectual dishonesty / ignorance as you put it).
Bye to you too.
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If you'd just said liberal then you'd be targeting a political group/party/ideology alone with your statement, but you had to add 'White' in there to be clear you were targeting a race. When you group those two words together it can mean:
Which of those would you like you're words to be interpreted as meaning?
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Even if it was as you say, it's still not racism because I didn't say that they are worse than others (1st meaning), nor did I imply that there is a general belief about them (2nd meaning).
If you were triggered or felt offended because you were one of those who cried the loss of the woke videogame, I'm sorry but I can't be held responsible for your poor ability to manage your emotions.
I hope you understand the difference between being racist and feeling offended by a simple comment.
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Ah, to be clear I have no love for the woke movement, as I think its done nothing but divide people. I am not a fan of liberalism either. My comments were purely about how specifying a race in conversation can be interpreted or defined in certain ways.
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Yes, we know you included white because it wasn't racist.
ππ
Anyway, we've established your position is constructed without any foundation. It's just random "I don't like, therefore woke", as always.
Have a wonderful and hopefully less hate filled day.
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Whatever helps you sleep at night.
Good luck out there in the scary woke world with wicked woke robots and frightful pronouns.
CYA!
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You'd have to be more specific what you mean by tokenism or character design but that's probably going to be a long conversation.
The game is supposed to be like Overwatch where there are lots of diverse characters. How does one character with a certain personality mean the entire product is targeting a minority?
If there was a character in the game who's a Christian and I didn't care for Christianity I'm not going to say the game is woke or targeted towards Christians. As long as they're not being overbearing about it then who cares.
Also, everyone is a minority in some way. It's kinda impossible to create a globally played game with characters that only cater to the majority.
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The concept of minority is relative; In 'western' countries 'White' people are often a majority, but in basically all other countries they're a minority. That said, this is also a big reason why media should generally be tailored to a specific region, as disproportionately putting minorities of a region into said regions media mostly just seems to create strife (as opposed to acceptance).
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If replying to your comment is proving a point then I guess so.
I really wish people didn't treat others as minorities. That would be so nice. Unfortunately a large reason the anti-woke exists is because they have problems with certain minorities.
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What I find most interesting is that by all accounts Concord didn't fail because it's the worst game ever or anything. It's just the absolute definition of mid.
Whatever single element you might like about it, is already done better by some other game.
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Only that I think I am looking at today's claims of earthlings.π
A time when mankind fights a lot.π₯π΄ββ πππ₯
A time when there are only ordinary people who are not heroes but despicable, cowardly, stupid and lazy.πΉππ
In such a reality, it would be a little difficult to bring this into a situation where there is a divergence from the ideology of a decade ago.
γAlso, the fact that they asked for an amount of money that would get you six months of Humble Bundle ahead of time, instead of free games, made it a complete bad joke.πΈπ’
Surely the developers think they are all rich enough to buy the latest PS5 and a new computer...?π
[Common desires for similar games in general]
If that's the case, it would be more meaningful to keep it in low quality and optimize it all to run on older computers.
γOr, if they are going to spend so much money, they should order all the characters and scenery from ...π
If this game were to be free, there would need to be a rationale for moving from other games to this one, but so far I am unaware of any mention of such a factor.
Oh, there is one thing.
No one will pay to be a cheater.
So no cheaters is a good ingredient.
That would also be ruined if it were distributed for free, so it's Handan's dream.
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https://blog.playstation.com/2024/09/03/an-important-update-on-concord/
Concord was released 2 weeks ago, but died already.
"...at this time, we have decided to take the game offline beginning September 6, 2024, and explore options, including those that will better reach our players. While we determine the best path ahead, Concord sales will cease immediately and we will begin to offer a full refund for all gamers who have purchased the game for PS5 or PC."
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