Isn't COD full of little sh*tty flamer kiddies? O_o
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I loved the discussions about BF3 and COD:MW3 :D
Played both, BF3 was pure awesomeness, MW3... meh... And all the little flamer kiddies where like 'Oh my god, look at thoose graphics, MW3 is just awesome, BF3 is sh!t and looks like sh!t and just noobs play sh!tty games, blah, blah, sh!t, fnck, blah'
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Not every kid is retarded, so I think it can also relate to those parents being a bit negligent. I've started playing games like Duke Nukem 3d when i was 9 or 10 years old, and have had contact with other violent/multiplayer games, such original Counter Strike(I was 13 or so at the launch date) without any such side effects.
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+++++++++++++ ^^
I agree. I feel like a lot of younger generation parents are too permissible. Kids don't miss out on anything vital by limiting, monitoring and guiding them. The thing parents are supposed to do.
Besides, children are generally (unconsciously) impressionable and being a kid, they think as one, and would not be able to respond or digest more mature subjects and interactions as adults or maybe older teens would.
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I was 21 when I first got internet access, and there were no online games back then. (It was back in 1995)
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i was barely mature when the internet had access to me. i'll never forget nets3xing on ansi terminals. without any such side effects
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My parents took a while to learn that violent video games made me nice and calm, thank god they realised it at some point. Kids with restrictive parents are getting more aggressive every year, it sickens me what kind of violence I hear about happening on the streets. Those kids don't play video games, they use violence in real life instead. It's sad to see that people still blame the cure for violence as the cause of violence. It's not that they learn violence from video games, aggressiveness has been around since the beginning of mankind and way before that time.
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TV and internet mostly. Some parents don't monitor at all what kind of influences their children expose themselves to. Maybe they're too busy, maybe they don't care, maybe they're not aware of what kind of nasty things there are in the wide world, the reasons are many.
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Andparents, and family, and kids and teachers at school, and random people on teh street, and steamgifts forums, and facebook, and every other place on God's green earth. Seriously, it's to the point where you can't even go to church without hearing someone cuss. ANd if you have ever been somewhere where people weren't cussing o some extent, then my hats to you where do I go?
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Toontown Online doesn't allow for typing to chat except for with close friends who have gone through a secret message exchange process. It instead utilizes a select from list chatting system for general communication. At least that's how it worked when I last played. xD. Club Penguin, a separate game, has strict ban policies but people often find ways around them. It's always filled with hackers and trolls.
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reset router = ban evaded.
i had several kids try and hit on me when i trialed club penguin, say... at least 7 or 8 years back. around the time when it first launched? either way, these kids find ways around the chat rules, mostly by adding themselves to MSN and going from there. i didn't join.
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I don't see what's the big deal about it. I knew how to swear when I was 8 or so and that was with very little exposure to tv-series, movies or games with swearing. My parents were kinda restrictive and avoided swearing as much as possible. In the end they're just words.
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oh yes, a noisy kid is a kid that screams as soon as something, anything happens.
i once knew a kid like that. every time i visited their house it was an aural nightmare. the boy was (at that time) 6 or 7 years old.
i don't advocate swearing, but it's certainly the least damaging out of all the possible outcomes i can imagine. telling them to bottle it up will only lead to issues once they reach puberty.
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if you're talking about the screaming kid, yes, his parents had no idea how parenting worked and didn't equally distribute affection (or any at all as i later learned). he just wanted attention and the only person who did that was his grandma who lived in a different country at the time.
as for swearing, it's because they're saying something 'forbidden', which releases aggression since you're sticking it to the man in some way. for others, maybe, because they grew up using such words. free speech is there to protect them if some crass idiot is inadvertently offended by a frustrated kid's actions.
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swearing occasionally =/= being a kid known for yelling and annoying everyone. i didn't mean that he actually swore; i don't think he even knew how to. two different examples.
and if a kid always swore to try and get what they wanted, you still can't judge that over a single match.
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You must've picked it up somewhere, I think. My parents never swore and neither did we. Certainly not at 8. There were a few in my class who were maybe a little older than you back then and had some sort of swear words at around the age 9 - 11, but there were not "actual" swear words that you would use as teen or adult.
Also, the first time I really got my exposure to swear words, was in my teens.
Swear words are not just words. Swear words carry a negative meaning (like insulting or profanity). If they were just normal, casual words that carried no baggage, people would not get offended by them and there would be no problem.
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To me they are just words and I don't find them offensive at all.
I understand that in certain context they can be found offensive, but I find it silly that some people get offended no matter what the context is.
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This is why I cancelled my xbox live sub 7 years ago.
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This.
"It's" everywhere, kids just have to pick it up.
Most of them dont even understand the meanings.
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True. In one of my lessons a girl I teach just mentioned "child rapist" out of nowhere. It isn't swearing and she said it jokingly, but the conversation was pretty normal, nothing to do with such a dire subject (I think we were chatting about school, school subjects, the future, etc.). It completely came out of nowhere.
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we learn from the world outside. have children and you'll see how they learn not only from you but also from other sources. until say 3 parents are the single most important source, but as soon as they go to infant school they learn from teachers and from friends. this is when you start losing control as a parent. it's pretty normal and somewhat positive. they must start thinking with their own head, they develop. you can hope they develop well and should definitely lead them in that direction, but whatever can happen. sometimes shit happens.
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In my time there was no internet. We learned all from the other people. Well it is a social thing. I think everyone should learn them and learn how to use. We all go rage sometimes in games and swear to other or ourselves. Kind a relieving thing. But it is a shame that some people has only communicating way is swearing.
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"and isnt Cod an 18+ game?"
Sure it is, but Valve makes $$$ with it. So no need for a working age verification. Fuck youth protection laws! They want money!
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Well, even Origin manages to have it (at least for Germany). And Origin...
Also the fact that they're not the only one doesn't justify it.
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?!?
Who has to have what and who can sue whom for not having what?
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First, Germany does (and can) not sue anyone, they simply can demand that access to 18+ games is restricted.
I guess they can demand that the online shop hoster shuts down access to the site completely until those demands are met.
Second, if online shops would implement an age verification, they would be allowed to sell 18+ games in Germany (unless the games really are banned, which is only the case for very very few).
I think that acquiring an uncut version by trading is currently a grey area ...
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I don't see anything wrong there. They're following the law and implement an age verification. Other countries may have other laws about it, but the seller has to accept the laws of the country he is. Germany wants an age verification and it's easy to implement it because of our ID cards or POST-Ident. Origin uses the ID card and Amazon let the postman do the job. Therefore only adults can buy games. My local market wants my ID card, too, if I would buy any 18+ game, why not Valve?
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I think Infernotoni was rather comparing Valve with Origin and Amazon.
And I do blame Valve for not implementing an age verification. It's lazy not to do it.
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"Please input your birthday" is not a way to verify anything.
You don't have to have a Harvard diploma to input a fake birthday.
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I'm pretty sure, someone here once wrote a mail to the German BPjM and they said, that this troll-verification is not acceptable as an age verifcation.
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Well, yes and no.
If you sell a product in a Germany, you have to abide German laws.
Valve chose the easy way by restricting access to uncut games or only offering access to cut versions where those exist.
They do fulfill their legal obligations, but it's on the back of those customers that actually are 18+.
It would be more customer friendly if they simply implemented an age verification that's compatible with German standards.
If already communicated with Valve and the "Bundesprüfstelle", but Valve only says "We are not allowed to sell uncut games" and the Bundesprüfstelle says "Valve could easily sell uncut games if they implemented an age verification - until they do, they may only sell cut games".
Yes, you are right, every company has the right to chose if they do this or not, but if big companys don't do it, it's just meh.
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I played 18+ games well before I was that age and I've never acted like a spoilt brat in any online game, it has nothing to do with parents, some people are just born dickheads that's the way nature works. It's sad that we now live in a world where people like to point the finger at others for their faults rather than taking the responsibility for their own actions.
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way to go to start a conversations...!!
Hence the "Early childhood" and What is "Wrong" and what is "Right"? should you follow "Wrong" or "Right" ? that's what parents define for their children and if that's fucked up, how the hell would the kid know the difference between "Right" and "Wrong"?!
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Skylark, for your argument to hold any weight everybody whose ever been abused or had a shitty childhood would have to grow up to be lunatics and that just doesn't happen. On the flipside everybody whose had a privileged upbringing should be model citizens, again that just doesn't happen. We all have free will and the ability to choose how we live our lives.
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You're considering only the perfect and the worst! you forget that just because you're parents screwed you up that doesn't mean you HAVE to be Lunatic! that's just ridiculous! True we have free will but that doesn't mean everybody will choose bad or good! it's not a choice, it's not like when I reached the age where I could decide for myself, I told myself, "ok I want to be good (or bad)"! You don't specifically choose these things they just happen and you become who you are right now.
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but to respond, yes, you are correct to an extent. people are as 'free' as their minds allow them to be. a person suffering clinical depression would not feel 'free', for example, and would not act as freely as a normal being.
influences are more subtle than either of you attest to, and results can be unpredictable.
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I've been playing and doing what ever I want online since I was a kid. Yet I rarely rage or insult in that manner. This is because of the moral teachings my grandparents gave me when I was growing up. So yeah.. it's not about the content they see online. It's about the content they don't get from their parents/guardians.
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I learned to swear from hearing other people swear. It's kinda inevitable.
I'm not really worried about kids playing games outside of the recommended age range.
It was violent and gruesome things on television that I couldn't handle as a child. Shit made me cry.
The worst I played as a young child was Metal Gear Solid, and about all I did in that game was screw
with soldiers with stealth equipped and be entranced by Johnny's nakedness.
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I was COD BO2 on PS3 just now, and i killed this kid, and he's like F*** YOU on the mic like crazy, just muted him, but why do his parents allow him to have a mic? or at least where did he learn to swear, and isnt Cod an 18+ game?
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