Flame off.

I don't know what to say. But you're right.

What have we become??

gaben told of their return

Yeah, that contribution thing made things different here.

group giveaways are even worse, making little community groups in the community is nonsense but yeah the best thing to do would be to delete all contributor and group giveaways make everything public that's the spirit

Good point... Never actually took the time to think about it but the contributor status does make it alot about earning stuff instead of giving away :P

I don't complain just for SR3 DLCs, I do for giveaways with multi-copies of them. I don't like who is greedy and abuses giveaways. Also, these giveaways are created just for the contributor value, cause it's a free DLC. Are you sure they are compatible with the spirit of SteamGifts?

Contrib value is..... well the worst idea cg's ever had go live. The vast majority of the problems that have happened and swamped the mods are based off contrib value. The reasoning behind instituting it was good. But the actual outcome is bad. And I still think it should be entirely eliminated.

I understand why someone would complain about the SR3 DLC. Explain to me why this giveaway is different then winning a game on SG and then giving it away again?

Well it's not like you're Mr. Social anyways.

There are pros and cons to steam gifts, like everything else in life. People like yourself seem to enjoy reminding others about the bad things and never choose to talk about the good things.

The contributor value provides a small incentive for everyone to give something. Certain games are restricted from affecting this value, so what's the problem?

There are pros and cons to steam gifts, like everything else in life. People still seem to enjoy reminding others about the bad things and never choose to talk about the good things.

Have you tried removing the seat pillows in the sofa? I keep finding all sorts of things I've lost there. :-)

I'm deleting my comment as it's stirring too much controversy... Sorry guys!

Don't know that "spirit" since i'm new, so i can't judge anyone for being overly dramatic about nothing, but i'm pretty sure that is the case.
Without Contributor Value a lot less people would give stuff away, the chances on individual Giveaways would be a lot lower and a lot less people would actually win stuff. Surely it is a good thing that we have more giveaways and therefore more people that win stuff..

I know i wouldn't just give my games to some stranger for no reason if i could give them to a friend or actually trade them for something i want, but the contributor system makes me think twice about that. If that only shows that i'm rotten and deserve to die, fine, but i'm certain that i'm not the only one that thinks like that.

More People, More Giveaways, More Winner... If SG was meant to be a thing for a small community, it would never have changed from the Invite Only system, all this here is a good thing for the site.

• Contributor giveaways were created to counter the fact that a lot of people didn't like give-nothing-back leechers who did nothing but enter giveaways.

• Now contributor giveaways are their own problem because people see it as an avenue to gain a leg up on other people.

The real problem here is that people are greedy and expect more than their fair chances for nothing.

im ok with contributor giveaways, but what i dislike the most is ppl creating giveaways with indie bundle games and all kind of beta keys to get higher contribution value.
all the ppl who broke the rules (creating giveaways with Guns of Icarus Online keys, etc.) should get banned, and not just have their giveaways removed.

I agree totally with the first post.

No contributor status at all would be perfect. Then again, people like (oh damn, calling out isn´t allowed -.-) would complain about paople like eg myself who give away bundle keys just because i get a value for that. I don´t care for the value but bundles are the only way at the moment i can give some joy too. So what?!

I guess those people just have too much money and want to show that to the world! Because you don´t make 5000$+ giveaways because you are nice and on the other hand you want to pursue bundlers. That´s just missing the hole point of SG. At least bundle keys are now allowed and give me the chance to give some joy to people having even less money than myself.

Just by looking at this thread i can tell that SG NEEDS MORE MODS. Seriously, guys, behave yourself.

I'm for anything that helps regulate who can enter a particular giveaway. Personally I think the perfect system would be one with no private giveaways and no group giveaways but a requirement system built in. But that's never going to happen and contributor requirement is the simplest requirement to have built into the system so I'll settle for that.

I still disagree, I feel that contributor giveaways encourage people to give more, or buy an extra copy of a game during a sale, or what have you.

It is indeed open to abuse, I agree to that. No system is perfect.

I just hate how stupid people can get.

thinks that making a giveaway = gets you the game for free

Invite only was better, but as a community grows, so does the amount of leechers, feeders, douches, etc. Exclusivity is only achieved through private groups or high contributor giveaways, however, high contributor giveaways can be double edged, meaning that it can reward those who have truly given back to the community OR those that are sg climbers that flood the site with bundle games, break rules, and other shenanigans. End rant.

Allow keys but reduce their point value. The winner has to acknowledge if it's a real inventory gift or just a key. This still leaves room for abuse but imho it's better than the current situation.

I agree.