Is lack of courtesy on receipt of gift blacklist worthy?
only time to not say thanks on an individual GA is if you win 2+ from the same person.
you say thanks for both(or more) at the same time to not clog up the other persons inbox.
I consider it more a red mark towards blacklisting, not the action(or lack of) that triggers the blacklisting though.
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What about if you win a game with lots of copies being given out, like 50+ or 100+? I always say thanks on those unless the GA creator requests otherwise, but sometimes I do feel a little bad thinking about their inbox filling up with all those notifications from each winner T_T
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Yeah, definitely :) Thanks for sharing your opinion
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Having a background in physics, my experimental brain says "do it" and document it ;)
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Personally I think it is the right thing to do, but I don't know if I would blacklist someone over not doing it. I think it would also have something to do with the value of the game for me? (not necessarily monetary, but also if I say it's something I'd love to see played etc)
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There's only one category of people on SG that annoys me lately. People who don't play games at all.They enter the giveaways for +1 or to farm cards, but they don't play anything or play thousands of hours in some FTP games. That's why I started adding them to the BL
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I probably fall into that category, though I got the "thousands of hours in some FTP games" before I became a collector hoarder.
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Not even close. I'm talking about people who have thousands of games in their library and hundreds of wins on SG, but have only played a couple dozen games based on their achievement stats.
I have nothing against card farming and collecting, as long as it's not the only point.
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Each one that don't have the basic manners to say thanks after he got a game from me for free, get added to my blacklist.
At least in the theory because the BL have only space for 1k accounts.
Which means i add only lvl 5 accounts to it, the 1k are still not enough for all of them (it is always full), and i do, nearly, only lvl 5 GAs.
Oh and it don't make a difference for me if it is a cheap crap game or a expensive AAA game.
In the most cases are this users leechers on top.
And sometimes autojoiners and/or multiaccounters.
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At the very least it's incredibly impolite, yes. Not that hard to type a simple thanks for a win.
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Ehhh, that depends entirely on you. all of us have different thresholds we're willing to tolerate and if this one's yours then simply embrace it.
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It bothers me. A lot.
How many times I've been knee-deep in the mud of a depression swamp and I still got out to a win and write a few words of appreciation towards the giveaway maker. Then you make a train or participate in a community event and you see someone win three games from you, from a total of ten out of the event... No word.
Yes it bothers me, but I guess it's something about me and how I was educated. I'm naturally polite, for some people excessively polite and thankful - which sometimes bothers them. The circle is complete. The universe has found its reason, now it can stop existing.
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I completely disagree. I dislike the pointless notifications. Even when people ask people not to thank, you still get people doing it. That is impolite, IMO. The only time I would ever thank someone on winning is when group rules require it, or it was requested in the description, and even then, only reluctantly. Since you like notifications though, I leave this one for you. Don't worry, I won't be spamming them on you.
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I don't like pointless notifications either. 😉 Say for example, thanks for an ongoing public GA.
However, typing six letters for something you got for free isn't that hard. Or at least it shouldn't be. :P
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Absolutely. Probably my last thought on the matter, but this is where the golden rule fails. Treating people how you want to be treated assumes other people want to be treated as you do.
In this case, you, and the OP, like the idea of being thanked, and consider the notification for same to be polite. While I, and many others I have seen requesting people not leave thanks in the description, would prefer not to have to wade through pointless notifications.
For people with minimal GAs, it might seem like a polite acknowledgement, but I can't imagine iciao needs 30k+ extra notifications. Also on that note, an option to auto-send the key on completion during GA creation would be nice. I am also annoyed about having to click send for the minimal amount of keys I have sent, and I also dislike waiting for keys to be sent to me.
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While it can be convenient having your keys be auto sent reducing the hassle if you have multiple, manually doing the same everytime theoretically allows every user to check if their GA winner is acting within the rules of sg or breaking them fragrantly which would otherwise be only possible after you've already sent the key.
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While I, and many others I have seen requesting people not leave thanks in the description, would prefer not to have to wade through pointless notifications.
Nearly 100% of this messages are written for "thanks" messages when ENTERING a GA.
NOT in the event of winning the GA.
Entering = a lot of notifications, and in very much cases meaningless spam from autojoiners.
Winning = 1 notification from the winner.
This is a really big difference.
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That depends how many keys there are, and how long the GA was running. Short GA + a lot of keys = more thanks for winning than joining.
What it comes down to is, do you like giving/receiving thanks, or do you consider it a pointless annoyance?
I would much rather people just mark it as received promptly. That is thanks enough for me.
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Personally I'd rather not see the notification of a thanks than care about being thanked, but seeing the results I guess I'll try to do better leaving a thanks for others.
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No, I refer to winners too. That's my personal preference though. I won't get upset at folks sending a thanks message, but I care so little about the thanks personally that I'd rather not have the notification than have folks say thanks.
But like I said, I see now folks feel differently and will definitely leave my thanks on wins where applicable.
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Personally, I always say thank you (I admit, sometimes it takes me a while), But while I appreciate the people that say thank you for my gifts, I never blacklist them
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Since it's bothering you enough to make this thread I'd suggest adding something to your giveaways asking to say thanks if you win, If someone still wins and doesn't thank then it's clear that they just don't care and there's no reason at all to feel bad about blacklisting.
If it feels dumb to have to ask for thanks like that (which would be completely understandable) then I'm not sure what to suggest. But definitely, if something is growing on your mind like this, you're better off doing something about it sooner than later. Either make your peace with it, if you can, or change how you're doing giveaways in a way that will get rid of the bad feeling. Because from the way you're talking about it, it sounds like it will keep growing into bigger unrest otherwise. And that's the kind of thing that can eventually drive people away from doing giveaways in the long run (I know from experience).
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It bothers me that it bothers me.. because it is a minuscule part of the SG experience.. and compared to others far less so.
So it's a good point and that's entirely what this thread is about to see the perspectives to decide if I'm good with just letting it go, or bring in the hammer! lol
I'm nowhere near the point of quitting though, still having too much fun and the nice people far outweigh the others.
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I remember when I first signed up I used to thank people for hosting giveaways for games I wanted, and ended up on a bunch of blacklists (in their defense they probably thought I was a bot) and it made me think twice about thanking people... (I still thank people when I win, but I rarely thank people for hosting giveaways anymore)
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Interesting perspective. I never considered an acknowledgement as "expecting something in return" it's not really a "thing" but in the same breath it is.
to me, it would be no different expectation on my part then if I was at work and fix someone's computer problem or teach them a trick or tool. Or if I clear the snow of a neighbour's walk because I have a snowblower and they do it manually. I don't expect anything in return except the acknowledgement.
Maybe that is my problem, the statement is succinct but resonates.
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I actually added first person to my backlist 2 days ago, so I am curious why people add other users to theirs.
It's up to you which people are "worth" adding there. For me, it's always nice to simply say "thank you" and I try to do it every time I win anything, big or small. But, as I said, you can add totally anyone to your blacklist, as well as your whitelist, only becasue you feel like doing it. I actually have a bunch of people on my whitelist, simply because either I've won something from them, or I just think they seem like a cool person :D At the other hand, I started filling mine blacklist basing on people forum activity. I was thinking of somhow adding "random" people based on their overall activity, like leveling up by adding sketchy giveaways or using scripts, but there are too many people doing it.
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I will mention one thing that comes to mind. I'm the kind of person who is inclined to always say "thank you" for a charitable or kindhearted deed (such as these giveaways). What I discovered over my initial year or two here is that I was showing up on some folks blacklists specifically "because I said thank you" (me not noticing a request "not to" in the giveaway comments).
Now I try to be more careful to NOT say thank you in comments under a giveaway unless and until I have read the giver's comment at the top, because many folks don't want a thank you (though most if not all will allow it on a win, so I still say thanks on anything I win). At first it seemed like an odd idea to me that someone would be offended by a "thank you", but now I realize that they just prefer not to be bombarded by a ton of messages popping up.
That being said, I don't recall anyone ever saying "don't say thanks, even if you win".
But, if someone out there has been "burned" for saying thank you, they may think twice about saying it, not wanting to offend, and may not (in their own mind) have made a distinction between a "win comment" and a "pre-win comment".
Hope that helps you. 😎
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Really, less than 1% didn't say thanks? That's remarkably good stats. I haven't kept track of the exact numbers but I think one in every four giveaways I've made I got no message acknowledging the win, as in no thanks or confirmation of activation from the winner, just a silent green tick appearing in the received list.
And while it does feel nice to get that "thanks" message from the winner it's not like I'm gonna blacklist them over the lack of such message, feels like too small of a transgression, at least to me. I usually try to always remember to reply with a "you're welcome" to the winners that thank me to show that I appreciate the gesture, and of course I also try to always leave a "thanks" when I win any giveaway.
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Lack of courtesy also stucks with me now, although I wasn't expecting any courtesy at first. I think people generally aren't voluntarily rude, therefore blacklisting doesn't sound like the valid answer.
I understand it can be really frustrating in some cases though. For example, I picked my first game to give away based on fun rather than contributor value, and the person didn't even acknowledge me after I messaged them on Discord and Steam to make the giveaway come to an end. When your level of effort doesn't match at all the response, it takes a toll on you.
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It's nice to receive a thanks. It's even nicer if the winner actually plays their win within a few months. You can't really count on either though, and I'd rather occupy my time with other things personally. But, nobody should be telling you how to operate your account. You do what feels right for you.
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Since I've joined, I haven't added anyone to my blacklist... we all come from different walks, speak differently, interpret things differently and ultimately in a text based environment probably add the wrong emotional intent to what we see more than we'd care to admit.
However, there is one thing I believe is universal and that's courtesy. If you receive something, acknowledge it.
of my total gifts, only 0.8% have not said anything on receipt. It's a teeny number, that occupies to much of my brain, why does it bother me?
Is this blacklist worthy?
Add your thoughts below or answer the poll!
Opps forgot the GA lol
damnit, here's another that's not public lol
EDIT:
Thank you all for the responses. I may still try to get back to responding to each, however if I don't please accept my appreciation for you taking the time to respond. I'll leave the topic open as it's a healthy conversation and perspectives from both sides. (so far anyways :D)
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