"... as it seems rather broken to me."
Quite an understatement, especially when trying to quit from the G2A membership.
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A thread from awhile ago was about someone trying to quit the G2A membership but the person had to go through a long, controversial process to do so ergo quitting G2A membership is broken.
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You are still making assumptions. If you got scammed by some sellers in the market, does that mean the whole market is full of scammers? and FYI many people use G2A to sell unwanted keys that usually come with bundles or with GPU offers, and I personally sold a key there that came with a humble bundle. It is outright rude to assume that OP is a thief without having proper evidence against him.
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I've jaywalked hundreds of times, but never gotten hit by a car.
Boy, aren't random facts fun? :P
In accounting for statistics like these, only the minority group's outcomes are relevant to establishing a pattern contrary to the majority expectation.
For example, if one in 2000 people got a burnt burger from McDonald's restaurant, the odds of any single individual ever getting one are low- but you're still likely talking thousands of burnt burgers a year.
Saying you've never been in a car accident, for example, is irrelevant to the fact that car-related deaths are nevertheless one of the most statistically significant (9th leading cause) ways to die. According to online statistics, only 2.2% of deaths are car related: but that comes out to nearly 1.3 million people dead each year- or, on average, 3,287 deaths a day.
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Except I, and numerous others can also attest to it.
Moreover, his experience IS relevant, since it's contrary to the majority expectation, while yours by comparison provides no constructive contribution in establishing any sort of pattern.
As I indicate in the subthread below, you're welcome to have whatever opinion you want of the site, but it's foolish not to be cautious when interacting with it, even IF the couple hundred individuals I've now interacted with that have claimed to also have issues with the site (including 12 people other than myself who have also had their accounts randomly deleted) are the only IG users to have had issues.
Heck, even if half of us were lying, there's still an established pattern.
Given that I read IG has a user base of over 200,000 users, working only with that pool of users with issues would indicate your odds of an issue occurring to be minimal. [Though, putting aside how unlikely it is that these reporting users aren't actually only a small portion of the ones affected in whole, it's worth noting that giveaway/trade issues on IG are A LOT more frequently reported than bundle issues- so be extra cautious there. :X]
But, regardless of the statistics, not taking basic precautions against an establish pattern would be absurd.
For example, clearly a rapist is always the one at fault- but going into a dark alley in a bad neighborhood dressed in easy to remove clothing isn't exactly the brightest idea, either, even if only 1 in 100 individuals engaging in such activities in the neighborhood ever have any issues.
[Which isn't at all to compare IG to rape, but the topic above is one that comes up among my friends in social work a lot.]
Having lost $35 of keys to them locking my account (after contacting them about an overcharge), and then having them ignore me through facebook, twitter, and e-mail for over half a year as I tried to reclaim my keys, before they deleted my account outright..
Obviously my opinion of them will be extremely low, even if I hadn't found others similarly affected.
So, make your own, unbiased opinion on it.
But as I said: While you can ignore the validity of these assertions, it'd still be foolish for you to not engage in basic self-protection [in this case, backing keys up off-site immediately after purchasing an IG bundle] after hearing of them.
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and new users might think most keys are invalid.
Oh, no, they seem to be pretty rare in total. Like, one key every dozen bundle purchases may be dead, which means statistically you may be fine for a lot longer than that. The problem isn't the random rare overcharges or invalid keys, it's that IG doesn't replace keys and will even lock you out of, and delete your account if you report issues to them.
That is the issue of note. :/
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Wait... you trust Indiegala? The site that has invalid keys and constantly just deletes accounts even if there are redeemed keys on it?
Well, I guess you'll learn soon enough :/
^This. They've the worst reputation of any bundle site: Poor overall support/oversight (especially for trading or giveaways on their site), broken keys they won't replace, random account deletions, and more. They're a lousy site run by lousy individuals.
(Though, strangely, they have a positive reputation for fixing Happy Hour issues- though, they've also got a reputation for Happy Hour issues happening in the first place. So.. yeah.)
In any case, regardless of your opinion toward the site, it's highly advised that you always make sure to back up your IndieGala keys off-site immediately after purchasing.
GMG also has a poor reputation due to certain (dubiously legal) policies they have:
(All directly from GMG support:)
They're also known for mislabeling the platform (eg, GOG, Steam, etc) of games they sell and not providing replacements or refunds in such instances. They also have a reputation for selling unlicensed keys.
Humble and Groupees both have great reputations for their support, and Bundlestars (and as far as I'm aware, Gamersgate as well) have a reputation for problems not even cropping up at all. I haven't heard anything bad about the reliability/support quality of most of the other, low-end bundle sites, either.
IndieGameStand has a rather good reputation (support can be a bit brusque, but they seem to follow through reliably), while LazyGuys has a poor reputation (but that's mostly 'cause they've a rep for insulting all the other bundle sites and blaming them for the low quality of LG's bundles ~_~)
In other words, GMG and IG are basically the two worst sites you could have listed as being reliable, since they're the very bottom of the lot. :X
At least, ever since that DigitalHomocide site got taken down >.>;
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i didn't knew that
haven't had problems so far. lets keep our fingers crossed
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It's worth noting that, other than at one point when site bugs were common, IG's more severe issues (and GMG's, at that) seem to be rather on the uncommon end [statistically speaking, only a minority of users seem to have such issues occur].
The main problem isn't that they have issues (such as broken keys or keys occasionally invalidating after a week, respectively), it's that their support tends to be rude, unhelpful, and even dangerous [to your account] to interact with.
GMG seems to be completely safe to use so long as you're super careful the correct platform is listed, activate within a week, and don't indicate the game was activated to any account other than your own. I mean, support may be rude, but I've only rarely heard of support not being offered in such instances.
IG, on the other hand, is a total crapshoot. You never know when issues will crop up, but you can be pretty sure you'll be fucked over if you try and address them when they do occur.
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i figured, i mean shit happens right?
it is how you deal with shit that matters
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Right, that's my take. I don't fault eg, Groupees for having issues, and Humble used to even bend over backwards to fix and make up for issues (they seem to have changed policy on that, but they still have a very reliable support policy, including basically non-restricted refunds if you have a complaint about your order).
GMG telling me it was my fault for not activating keys right away and for trying to trade them off is one thing, but it was pretty ugly considering how insanely rude they were about it, and the fact that this was before they edited their listed ToS and Guidelines sections to actually reflect these arbitrary rules of theirs.
And IG.. their support is as ugly as it comes. :/
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I tried purchasing a bundle from indiegala and it says I bought it, but I got an email saying there was a problem with my paypal and I know I have enough. When I contacted the support, they blamed it on my paypal and said they can't do anything when I know it's their site because a new tab in bundles was added called "Special Bundles" yet no keys are there. I wasn't charged that I'm aware of either though.
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GamersGate is infamous from running out of keys yet selling games for them all the time, resulting in several-day waiting times to get the purchased product code. I wouldn't be surprised if they removed the Tutor feature because it was mostly nothing but people complaining either about not getting keys or the non-Steam games not working after installation.
Bundle Stars has a problem with the manual authorisations and with littering the user library page with failed purchases. Manual authorisation in theory clears in a few hours, but I had to write their support twice because they forgot to press the button to clear it. (And lost one pack because of this because the 48-hour limit on my virtual bank card expired.)
Groupees once locked me out of payment, just because. Had to to a small letter chain with their support to let me buy bundles again.
So, no. There are no stores that are devoid of issues, smaller or larger. Despite the ones above, I count GamersGate among my main game purchase platforms, after GOG, HB, and GMG, and Groupees and Bundle Stars among my favourite bundle sites, after IndieGala.
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steam?
they have the new complete the bundle feature which is nice most cases
if you don't want to make GA
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Steam is an interesting thing. For ROW people, their prices are simply dreadful. I mean horrendous; I can hardly name a game that is sold outside Steam and Valve's platform having the price advantage. (GOG copies can cost more, because publishers like this little insurance in exchange for the lack of DRM.)
On the other hand, if you buy a game there for yourself, the chance to get screwed over is practically zero.
On the other other hand, their customer support is not only infamously incompetent and unusable among the video game industry, but in the service industry in general, globally. They literally have one of the most worthless customer support on the planet. Which is so bad that even Valve itself, which likes to weasel itself out of any negative connotations, had to admit this fact. And Valve admitting something they fucked up is like as if you saw a politician organising a live press conference to admit he stole and embezzled; it essentially only happens in fiction.
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I'd honestly forgotten how good Valve games were until I started playing Left4Dead2 again recently.
It's a pity they went from good gaming company to terrible distribution company..
..but hey, I guess doing nearly nothing and getting a ton more money is a better gig, hug? :P
I dunno about worst, considering my interactions with various other companies..
But Valve is definitely terrible, and frustrating in a very unique way. -.-;
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the trading cards is a stroke of genius in business term.
completely useless, yet worth money
and it doesn't cost them anything to make
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well, some steam games can get 80% off. and the same on other site. so steam is a better purchase.
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Well, Groupees has some account issues, Humble some region issues, but their support always comes through. From what I understand, so does Bundlestars.
Issues are one thing, but the anti-customer support perspective that GMG and IG have is definitely of concern in a way the other sites aren't.
Still, interesting reading up on the BS and GG glitches- typically don't hear much about those two sites. :)
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One of the GG fuckups was relatively large a few years back; they did a super large discount and promo sale (I remember GTA, but my memory is hazy on the exact game franchise) without actually purchasing the keys, resulting in a massive fallout on their site. To the point where some even questioned if they are really Swedish and not just some group scamming a ton of people. It also made me stay away from them for a few years, until 2015.
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:whistles:
Thankfully, GG pricing tends to be pretty lousy compared to other sites, so I've only like, two purchases off them. :'P
Still, as long as nothing is lost, and behavior isn't super disrespectful, I'm not really too concerned with any issue from any company.
Compared to the ones I've bad experiences with, some poorly considered marketing isn't really of concern [Er, assuming everyone got refunded, of course :P].
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Nothing was lost, AFAIK, because they got as many keys as they could. The fallout was because they didn't respond to any complaints or tickets for a few days, before releasing some announcement that they will get the products. Their customer service used to be incredibly non-responsive a few years ago.
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I used to buy a lot of stuff from GamersGate when they had good deals on the Mac versions of games (Borderlands 2, XCOM, etc) that were obviously playable on windows once you redeemed them on Steam because of Steamplay. I got that several day wait for keys loads of times, I remember being especially annoyed when I had to wait for Tiny Tina's Assault on Dragon Keep!
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I strongly disagree. I've had top notch experiences with both IndieGala and GMG, over huuuuundreds of Indie Gala bundles bought (I usually host a 20-pack happy hour bundle buy).
If anything, GamersGate would be the problem child - invalidating keys and eventually refunding purchases when they make a pricing or stock mistake.
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You CAN'T disagree with facts, that's not how that works. :P
You can provide a contrasting perspective or opinion, and doing so is certainly valid, but it doesn't magically negate someone else's experiences, either.
Moreover, I already indicate negative experiences seem to be a minority and that the actual issue is that IG responds horribly when issues are brought to their attention. Making the issue one of support received when problems do rise, not of bundles purchased. Your reply is entirely off the topic. :X
( For reference: Before my account deletion, I believe I had 8 or 9 broken keys across 40 or 50-odd bundles, and about half of those were due to a specific time period when the site was bugging (and technically that set wasn't broken, just mis-associating to the wrong game). Most others I spoke to only had one or two broken keys in total, and they appear to be a small minority of IG users. )
If anything, GamersGate would be the problem child - invalidating keys and eventually refunding purchases when they make a pricing mistake.
I'm honestly not at all familiar with GG, my personal experiences are minimal. I haven't heard anything bad about them, though- but unlike Bundlestars, that seems to be more by them never being brought up than "Yep, I use bundlestars regularly, never had a problem."
So if you've had issues with them, do bring them up so we can learn from them. :)
Though as far as invalidating keys/refunding purchases, that's standard in retail. Only a few retailers ever make exceptions on that kind of thing, and only rarely if the expense is high.
I can't fault them at all for not following through on that kind of thing, especially as the law is entirely on their side in both NA and Europe [assuming they notice and clarify the error promptly].
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You incorrectly stated your opinion about reputation as a fact, thus I can and do disagree.
Based on my personal experience and the things I've heard, both IG and GMG have solid reputations. IndieGala has always responded to my rare support requests much more quickly than other bundle sites (including Humble, which takes a week+ due to the website's popularity), and I certainly do not believe GMG has a history of keys 'going bad' after purchase.
I believe both these stores are trustworthy places to buy from. This is my opinion, which is completely different from your own opinion. And that is exactly how disagreement works.
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GMG is mostly legit but it did go through a phase of purchasing blocks of keys from other retailers that were intended for distribution elsewhere, which led to various issues up to and including games getting revoked by the publishers.
I think the most notorious foul ups were a lot of CoD Black Ops and Dark Souls III keys that GMG bought on the grey market because it wasn't an official retailer for those games/publishers. The exact keys that GMG are using their 'mystery bundles' to offload after an entertaining legal poopstorm.
I don't believe GMG are currently engaging in such practices and the problems only ever related to a handful of titles, but due to them involving high profile big selling games their reputation certainly did take a hit for a while.
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Funny thing is that I've never had a problem with IG, support have always responded quickly to me. I've only really heard of you and Sooth having problems with IG.
Humble Bundle, on the other hand... I've had tons of trouble with them. Mostly due to privacy issues, and payment declines. And their support is getting to be pretty bad too in my opinion.
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Yes, I submitted a photocopy, and it's declined. I noticed the mention od "both sides of a two-sided document", and gave that a try. The only thing close to a contectual response I get from support is a list of thing they look for, which all seem fine on mine.
Still trying to get one of those people on the e-mailing that ACTUALLY seems to be a human. I swear, it's really the worst thing about G2A.
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Oh boy. Then, the good news is that you don't have to provide anything. If you want to cash out to PayPal, it manages the identification itself.
The bad news is that since US has customer protection only on paper and no authority would bother going against a company in Hong Kong, you don't really have any legal means to pursue your money. (Well, you could, but good luck: G2A is a company registered in HK, but actually owned by another company in Singapore. Have fun trying to fight a court case on the other side of the world, assuming the courts would reach your case within a decade or so.)
What they are asking you is, strictly speaking, something you don't have to do under any circumstances, since they are not registered in the US. They are a foreign company and have no rights to deny payment in exchange for personal information, when they already signed a contract with PayPal that PayPal would do it for them.
It's easier for us in Europe, because they made the small mistake of registering a child company here, plus the owners are known, two Polish guys. We can pursue legal matters and bully them back, because here asking for an ID like that is actually illegal (whereas in the US it is not).
You may try to send them the requested data, but make sure to mask out the majority of the information, including exact address, ID number, and such.
If they still deny, then I fear you just ran into one of their scams. Since you are not one of the large groups that sells there, and I assume you don't have a Gold Mine set up that brings buyers, they may very well decided to keep the money of your sales, since, well, they can do it. If your account suddenly gets banned when you push enough, you'll know it was the latter.
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You post is rather interesting.. I do know that the entity is made to be hard to "pin down" in such a manner, though. I find it funny how many locations around the glode are associate with them, like the US office located in Nevada.
I must say, that I do not find them to be "screwing me" ever. The help from support is generally a hassle, but it's not like they've froze my money or account. It's not even that much sitting on there now, either.
Now that I have finally gotten a direct answer from a specialist from G2A via e-mail, I at least have some sense of direction there. Funny how they finally seemed to give any real attention to the matter once I made this thread here, though... xD
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this is very interesting. thank you (and talgaby ofcourse)
if i ever though of using G2A i won't now.
if only due to their ability to screw with the sellers
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They screw the sellers a lot with fees already, but sellers like it since G2A offers a lot of buyer protection (real and illusionary), so people are more inclined to pay the +20-50% compared to forum trade prices for the assurance that they can claim their money back. (And they often give you back the money for the first time even without Shield.)
Of course trying to play the system can have disadvantages, because if somebody sells a key they got completely legally and the buyer does a false claim, the buyer can contact the original site, revoke the key, and with luck get a new one.
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Keep in mind that G2A in the end is a controlled flea market that relies on its rather hefty cuts from sales and its really aggressive word of mouth type marketing (in good days, when they are not literally spambotting). Since they are ethically and legally on the grey scale at best, they rely on their underground "street cred". Meaning if you suddenly start a thread about them not paying sellers and it gets this many replies…
Let's just say we saw a reddit thread starting with a relatively harmless question, ending up busting a bot network and Valve closing down a small money laundering operation. Things can escalate.
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Sooo... If I understand this thread correctly, you sold stuff on G2A and can't get the money.
That's what you get for selling at a scetchfest. There's nothing you can do. When other people point out that G2A is trash, you get frustrated because they're not being helpful. THERE IS NOTHING ANY OF US CAN DO!
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lol No, dude. You're way off base here.
I've cashed out plenty til now. They have "tiers", which begin to require some personal information, to verify you are who you are. I've looked over all of what they ask for coming up, too, and it is nothing that's screaming "identity theft". I figure this may be the thing that keep people from having multiple accounts to sell from at once. Makes sense, right? I know that would make ruling the market very easy for some...
But, yeah-- You can consider yourself "STFU" here. Cashed out, and PROFITTED way more than they are holding right now. And by all means, can still spend it on the site... they would prefer that, tho. Naaaah... lol)
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it's not really to check who you are - it's more to check where you are based in relation to tax - they really want nothing to do with the IRS, so if you are in USA, then they probably want your card (citizen) details - just like steam does when you sell a lot of stuff
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Aren't you able to link your social media account to g2a? Then you don't have to submit your ID?
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G2A support usually boils down to one of two options - either ignore them till they go away or just ban the account and consider it problem solved. If you can still spend it on the site consider cashing out that way whilst you still can.
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All i know about G2A is that a friend sold "ARK - Survival Evolved" to G2A for 20€ before the regular g2a price dropped to 12€.
After an week he got a mail from Support, the key got reported as already used...
This Key was 100% for sure unused, it just got revealed right before sending to g2a and was a humble bundle key.
So to be honest, never trust a service like g2a, kinguin or any you can find via "keyforsteam.com", bad for resellers, good to get a cheap steam key or scam someone because of the 1$ warranty.
sorry for my english skillZ :D
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Usually 60 days, but depending on the support person handling it, they may have exceptions. It is easier if they sell said game in their store.
You will need to supply screen caps of an account trying to activate it without success. Also, they kinda like to imply to not make a habit of this, because even they know that only a small fraction of their keys could be duplicates.
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She would agree if they just revoke the key. she dont want any refund, she just want that the scammer get what he deservs ;)
Also i dont think that the key was duped already when it got revealed, guess that the guy who bought it via g2a used the shield for 1$, activated key and ordered a refund. :/
But really thanks for all the information you guys provide, joined this thread to help some and now im the person who get helped :D
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Read up on reddit about it - where mostly problems and real "horror experiences"
get posted and g2a-"support" gets to respond in generic answers.: https://www.reddit.com/r/g2a/
Personally i wouldn't post there, as it is some kind of last resort place - i think.
The process should work - but might require you to contact them in order to "get it over with" as it might already be done
but their waiting on you to get impatient and ask over their "support" > "ayo whatup with my verification ... " > respond:
"u R iz retard, its working since yesterdayz ''hastily unlocks your shit the next second lol > fixed.
Also verification might be "tougher" if you've made over 14k $/€ something on their site.
Btw. I sent my low res. drivers license which i had plastered all over with WATERMARKS (g2a + purpose and date) and it got accepted 8 days after i contacted their support and asked "whatup" in a friendly fashion * had also the G2A shield which i got tricked into (while buying once ... couldn't remove the free shield - turned out to be paid lol > support " u r iz retard u bought shield - enjoy"). Also i've never sold anything but Steam Gifts on their site if that makes a difference idk.
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Your post, is my favorite. Not just that you actually provide some insight, but also the timing... I just got an e-mail from a "specialist", and it says...
"Please provide us scan of a document that confirms your identity (Indentity Card, Passport) it cannot be your driver's licence."
Yes, that's right. He callin' you a liar..! xD
Seriously, though-- THIS is the straightest answer I've gotten from several circles in the support pool...
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I'm pretty sure around 100% a drivers license is in all states and locations also a Identity card. I feel they may be messing with you or trying to get you mad enough to say screw this and leave or do something stupid "not saying you will" so they can ban your account.
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Hmm if they haven't changed the conditions a drivers license should do unless
you've made lotsa money (over 14k$ i think) then it won't be enough ...
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Yeah, i had expected that would take up to a month considering - but as long you're chill and friendly while chatting/mailing
their support (i did over the live-chat and only once) it shouldn't do any harm asking again as long it isn't every 24hrs i'd guess.
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The dollar sign goes before the number.
Yep. I made a comment and basically joined this conversation just for that.
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Not in Europe ... here its unimportant formatting and they use both formats ... xx € / EUR xx
'+ even in the US you don't say/think: "Wow the price is only Dollar 1.99 but 1.99 Dollar"
In my opinion its counter intuitive and wrong. WHAZAM got ya nose right there mate.
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Well, I understand when people put things like "gallons per mile" instead of miles per gallon, or use a 10-based measurement system instead of whatever the heck we use, but the place you put a sign?
Well, in Spanish and some other languages they put the adjective AFTER the noun. I think it's kind of like that.
So instead of "smelly, wet, brown sock", it's "sock, brown, smelly and wet" or something along those lines. So similarly, instead of "1500$" we use "$1500" so you know what the number means from the start and don't have to put the adjective on top of the noun afterwards.
This has been language speculation with ArtificialInsanity, tune in next time for:
GIF IS NOT PROUNOUNCED JIF.
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On a unrelated note...when i read your title i thought u were saying G2A was selling photo IDS and was about to freak out about it.
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Hes not asking that hes asking for advice on how to handle this situation, and to see if anyone else has had their issue and what they did to resolve it if they did manage to.
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You approach a thread, where the exact thing I hoped to get in a resonse, has already happened...
You do realize this, right? I didn't come here for "support from G2A". I came to talk to other people, who may very well have experience in this regard.
How do you not feel REALLY silly right now.?
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he has a problem with the support, so he asks others how their experience was. what exactly is your problem with that?
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And here I thought this was a thread about that G2A have started selling photo IDs.
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Yes, I am familiar with their site being a lot better with customer relations. However, there is no denying the heavuer flow of traffic that is on G2A. Also, I have a certain eye condition which makes viewing Kinguin's site layout a bit less friendly for me.
I could also mention, that the policies for sellers on King are a bit more inconvenient. There are some annoying limitations with cashing out there.
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Everyone on this site (and probably everywhere too) have a passion on hating G2A and everything it does (for the right reason). So if you ask people to; not only enter the site, but give an identification that would otherwise increase the chance of identity thief because G2A can't be trusted, then don't expect anything from us.
G2A is worst than Hitler and cancer combined.
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G2A? I don't use it so no clue.
But about the driver license not being accepted, it depends on the country, I know that they accept it as an id on some places but in many it has little validity as a proof of identity. In my country the driver license is only good for driving, for anything else they ask for the dni (national document of identity).
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I've sold thousands of dollars worth on there. Only seems fair that they'd wanna know who I am by now.
And, really-- It's not like I can't use the money on site still, and continue to sell. It's just that you can't "payout" once you've sold so much.
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There were quite a few great posts around here, however haven't seen anyone mention this detail: any document by which authorities can identify you is more than enough for them. Therefore, at this point you should ask yourself and them what's the whole deal? The next thing you'll hear is that they need your PNR code of your last flight.
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Open more tickets and repeat the process. Get a hold of someone and DEMAND they pass you over to someone who can rectify the problem. A drivers license is more than enough proof. They like to play grab ass sometimes. Ive had to do this with getting them to allow my keys, im like LOOK YOU BLIND FUCK, ALL THE INFORMATION YOU WANT IS RIGHT THERE IN THE SCREENSHOT, DURRRRRRRRRRRRR. (not exactly like that >.>)
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On G2A, they require a photo ID for further cashing out. All my attempts have been declined, and as usual, the support provides no support on this.
I'm mostly curious if anyone has actually had any luck with this process, as it seems rather broken to me. If anyone can provide any insight into this, would be greatly appreciated.
UPDATE:
At this point, I have been told by support that my driver's license is not acceptable, and I need to provide another document. They suggest a photo ID or Passport....
I am stunned-- A post here tells me that a driver's license has been accepted for them.
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Well, it seems this thread loses it's meaning well and fast. I kinda expected all the hate, as it's just about all you'll see if you try searching about the place. I did get some insight I hoped for here, and thank all those who posted with good intentions. :)
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