You can like or dislike Trump. But people on both sides need to stop using Nazi and fascism incorrectly. It's incredibly insulting to people who actually lived through or know what those things mean. :<
I try to tell people to be better and I get vaguely insulted. I'm definitely on the internet. :P
"Fascism is a form of radical authoritarian ultranationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce." Literally the first line on Wikipedia. Take out the ultranationalism, that's exactly what the socialist parties have done are are still doing to day. The irony real here is that I'm not a Trump supporter, never have been. I just apparently more respect for my fellow human beings than most anymore.
Meanwhile, I am educated on political matters and history, but thank you for being rude enough to have me grab a quote to prove my point for me. I'm trying to tell people to be better than this on political issues. Which is why I'm not going all in on how vile this "everyone's a Nazi" crap is. If you want to go around hurting people you don't like all the while hurting more people you don't even know because you are misrepresenting and abusing history, that's on you. :/ We all can be better than that. But if you still want to hate and insult on a basis you can't back up without using terms you misrepresent, by all means. But I'm not going to play that schoolyard bullying.
I know a lot of people on here have English as a second language so I apologize for big posts. But we have got to stop comparing everyone to Nazis. It undermines every argument it's used in. But to each their own. Hate is too popular to stop with sanity and words these days. :<
This one is an easy debunk. Use of concentration camps does not make one a Nazi or fascist, as they do not mean death camps. Obama used many of the same facilities for years and I doubt you think he was a Nazi fascist. They are merely and literally (even double checked a few sources to confirm) armed holding facilities. One can agree or disagree with their purpose, but has nothing to do with authoritarianism because age old rule of law is being broken, one that all parties agreed with until very recently.
The "animals" comment is verifiably false information produced by propagandist media/individuals over a comment spoken about a particularly horrible gang who knew the comment was taken out of context. And let's not get into AOC...
We need to stop hurting each other over misinformation and outright lies. Both sides do this. I don't believe hate and lies is an answer to politics. Thankfully I know I'm not a minority on this point as information is getting easier to get a hold of. We can all do better than this. :)
How do you define concentration camps if not impermanent facilities to hold people indefinitely in small or inadequate facilities? Where people are already dying due to insufficient support/aid/attention?
Calling a person an animal is indefensible regardless of the intended type of person.
So I have to make an honest question. Are you agreeing with joeblow123 or playing semantics with me to be a troll? Because that response was interesting. :P
I honestly have no interest in the game or the topic. But disagreed vehemently with the idea that Nazi or fascism is being used incorrectly these days. You mentioned taking out the 'ultranationalism' which is half of 'Nazi' the other half being 'socialism'. But you don't mind changing the topic to 'socialism parties'.
The idea that 'everybody is a Nazi' is not radical anymore. It's not an exaggerated take when Nazis have literally marched in our streets and killed people while promoting the current President. It is not that they are LIKE Nazis, but are literal Nazis. There are plenty of people LIKE Nazis too. You try to put down other people saying they're bullying or misrepresenting when the only one trying to talk down to people saying that you're the expert and they're misinformed is you.
We don't need to stop comparing people to Nazis when they are doing what Nazis do. It doesn't need to be 1:1 to be a meaningful and useful comparison.
I would argue that Nazis probably do have interest in the game though.
Sigh. Mere minutes left but I'll play your childish and evil game. :/
"I honestly have no interest in the game or the topic" - Contradicted. Lovely.
"You mentioned taking out the 'ultranationalism' which is half of 'Nazi' the other half being 'socialism'. But you don't mind changing the topic to 'socialism parties'." I was making a comparable point because of the growth of openly socialist leader politicians which cannot be argued. You seem to have me confused with your argument.
"The idea that 'everybody is a Nazi' is not radical anymore" Really. So you are saying that 60%+ of the United States is a Nazi. You are so out your depth, man. :/ I'm not even trying to be mean. You're proving my point of how toxic this Nazi BS has gotten.
" It's not an exaggerated take when Nazis have literally marched in our streets and killed people while promoting the current President." I knew you were going to go here the moment you start talking about concentration camps and the "animal" hyperbole. First of all, I was being kind to the OP by not even arguing that detention camps are not the same thing as concentration camps. But if you're doing to double down, then now. There is a difference. And if it sounds like I'm talking down to you or anyone else, then please make some intellectual arguments because this sentence I repeated is an out and out lie. SOME Neo Nazis marched in a protest that was mostly about the destruction of historical statues. Did you even know that's what Unite the Right was about? Then you talk like murder in the streets was rampant while obviously talking about the unintended death of an attendee after a car crash that has questionable events on both sides over the cause.
"You try to put down other people saying they're bullying or misrepresenting when the only one trying to talk down to people saying that you're the expert and they're misinformed is you." Well yes. If you're going to sit there and call half the US worse than animals while telling out and out lies, whether you actually believe what you're saying or not and then telling me calling people "animals" is wrong... by all that is holy, you have dug a pit so deep for your position I don't even have to counter you. You do it to yourself. Sorry if that's rude, but lying to me while I'm making reasonable arguments that i all but say "evil is wrong" and you say otherwise... I'm glad that this giveaway is over. I'm reminded of just how dark some people are to beholden to their ideologies.
"We don't need to stop comparing people to Nazis when they are doing what Nazis do." You mean like taking entire demographics and labeling them something that begs to be censored and destroyed? I didn't vote for Trump, I doubt I will next term either but my one and only contender is getting screwed by the other side so I might just have to for moral code. You have me defending a guy I don't even like. Because you and your positions are so ironic and twisted, here we are.
I haven't defended Nazis. I have defended Socialists. They are both wrong and often evil. What I have defended is being decent human beings to each other. You've argued otherwise. That's a truly impressive argument you have indeed. So do go on and tell me how now I'm a Nazi. That every other US person on Steamgifts is a Nazi.
Oh wait. You already did.
You are definitely blacklisted. I'm here to give positivity and happiness to all sorts of people. But I will not tolerate someone who is more that greedily happy to call everyone evil because it suits some nebulous and disturbing world view. I'd look into community guidelines about this sort of thing if I thought it was important. Consider your game won because i could care less about tallies than human beings. Because nothing any actual human can say will turn you from your self-indulgent path where you and your kind are the only non-Nazis in the whole of the country. A magical thing, that. Just remember the price you just paid to "win" it.
I'm out. Off to giveaway games for people and other relatively decent things besides name-calling and country-ripping. Here's to you learning something today.
At no point did I contradict that I am not interested in the topic of the game or the game itself.
Openly socialist leaders have nothing to do with this discussion.
I am not, and have not said everybody is a Nazi. I'm saying that the opinion is not radical. It is not without context and merit, even if it may not be factually true.
Define concentration camps and support your definition with a third neutral party if you want to be considered on your definition of concentration camps that cannot be applied to the situation. Otherwise you're arguing with a bias and in bad faith. You cannot simply say 'there is a difference' but not point it out or support your argument. I did not state a lie, here [ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/12/07/neo-nazi-convicted-murder-charlottesville-car-assault-killed-heather-heyer/2243848002/ ] is an article (and simply the first google result) showing that a Nazi, not a third party, was convicted in the murder during the "Unite the Right" rally where people marched with Nazi armbands, saluting, and torches. The details of the event are not in question or blurry. We can argue the historical value of those statues of Confederate Rebels and such but that's not the point.
At no point did I say that half the US is worse than animals. That's a jump of logic you made yourself. The only person who has said anything near to that statement related to this conversation is the President himself. There is no pit dug, but also no counter from you, only misrepresentation, as you make me out to say that the statement 'evil is wrong' is somehow incorrect when nothing close to that in words, intent, or meaning has been said.
Nazis don't 'label demographics' they are concerned with ethnicities, specifically Non-White ethnicities (and specific White ethnicities when non-White ethnicities aren't available to blame). They are not concerned with the 18-35 Female demographic, for example, and using the term demographic intentionally obfuscates their tactics. You have, regardless of your intent, defended Nazis. If you're not even sure if you will vote for Trump yet, you truly need to learn a thing or two. Whether you support him or not, you're not going to be suddenly told a new piece of information that changes everything. You're trying to play the middle but failing, here, and it's clear.
If my positions are so 'ironic and twisted' could you even state them with what I've said? Because the only thing I've said so far is that Nazis are present, they're clear, they're dangerous, and they support the current President. That there are immigrants being held in inadequate facilities where they are getting sick, dying, and their lives and their children's lives are generally being ruined needlessly. I'll also be clear, you cannot be a Nazi and a decent human being. You cannot support Nazi policies and be a decent human being. You cannot defend or support people who defend or support Nazi policies and be a decent human being either.
But you can continue to put words in my mouth, pretending to be attacked personally when you claim you're a neutral third party, while insulting me and claiming I am playing some kind of numbers game with human lives? In a simple discussion? You say me and 'my kind' as well. What 'kind' is that, exactly? That's some loaded terminology. You don't know anything about me to even make assumptions yet. But you've clearly made some.
I haven't 'won' anything, nor paid any price beyond my time. I simply commented on your own actions, and your own words.
I hope someone else has read this discussion and won't fall for your tactics down the line.
I said I'm not playing this game and yet I am. There's a reason I thought you were trolling me. I'm apparently wrong, but you angered me all the same. This is the first time I've even hinted at politics on SG with more than a joke. Because this is an important subject that can and has injured and even killed people for what you are defending.
Commenting on a Tero Lunkka parody shovelware game you "don't care" about about a topic you "don't care" about just so you can defend someone that sees Nazis everywhere and by extension that you said yourself JUST NOW that it is not a radical opinion to label anyone or everyone Nazis. But no. No contradictions. I'm sorry I ever doubted you. -.-
Furthermore, I gave an out with the concentration camps discussion and you didn't take it. You argued they were Nazi camps. You did that, not me. And the ongoing debate of detention vs. concentration camps is still ongoing. It's not a settled argument because some people have feelings about them while all the footage and officers and pictures tell a different story. But I'm not here to defend that, which is why it was a poor move for you to ride that train. You also knowingly lied about the "animals" comment because you backtracked to "Calling a person an animal is indefensible regardless of the intended type of person" while defending someone calling half the country Nazis because they support a flawed president. YOU did this as well. No contradictions, none at all. Moral and logical compass is A-OK!
And now, you pretend you have level 10 high ground because you intentionally left out details to run a narrative you knew was exaggerated and then misinterpret what I tell you in just part of the many details you left out of a clearly nuanced and bad situation and think you are making your point when instead making mine? I didn't defend Fields, I said there was more to the story. I'm glad you looked it up and confirmed what I said, that's at least something that's come from this nonsense.
The words I'm putting in your mouth are ones you have restated clearly. You are defending the rights of someone to call people whatever he wants (screw facts or humane treatment or definitely somehow that has the audacity to come along and say "calm down, dude, this isn't the right way to deal with your anger"). And you're right! He does have the right and there are Neo Nazis alive and well in this country and in many others. The problem is the mislabeling that, you said yourself, is not a radical thing to do. That's not a good thing. Calling an organized group of rapists and murderers animals isn't cool but touting murderous white supremacists so you can feel better about your politics? If you answer nothing else, rectify this for me. Show me how this limbo tournament works and how you still feel good and right about your words because this is your core stand against mine.
Meanwhile, name one place I defended Nazis. Because I'm trying to keep blatantly lying people from calling everyone they don't like one? Which by your "defending" BS remark clearly means you are insinuating far more me defense of them that your now curious defense of socialists, considering you keep bringing that up if it's not important to you. Stalin did nothing wrong, they say. I brought up the Trump dilemma because I often have to restate I'm not a Trump supporter because of people like you doing exactly what you did anyway. I can't wait to hear which person you're gung-ho voting for. I bet they are a real peach!
So yes. Go on and tell everyone how much of a loving caring individual you are because you don't like Trump or his fans. Meanwhile, you called Obama a Nazi by the same logic you charged Trump with. I don't care who you call what. Call me any name you want as well as you stare over the divide that you create between completely decent and confused people. All men are rapists, all whites are slavers, all Trumpers are Nazis. Feel free to defend that sort of evil (and don't you dare fabricate those aren't related positions). My "tactics", from the very beginning, is bringing people together be being less motivated by lies and hate. You have more than implied, multiple times now with great confidence, that you should call anyone anything they want because some subsection of a culture has bad beliefs or do horrible things. Well then, how can I put words in your mouth when you're entire position is made up of doing just that to everyone?
Read that last paragraph. Twice. Three times if necessary. I have layered a lot of sarcasm and more than a little passive aggressive because of the anger this venom creates in people. The only people that could possibly agree with you are the same people that want to make all their opponents Nazis and KKK because it makes their hate and bigotry stronger. Congrats again for defending a wonderful platform. Yep. You're against Nazis. Same here. But I'm defending them by saying "people should stop calling EVERYONE a Nazi"? And you say "lots of people do it, so shut up you clueless manipulator" all while posting multiple half truths and outright lies.
Feel free to have the last words. I will not be responding after this. I agree people should probably read this and learn something from it too. Feel free to share it, if I can trust you to do so without edits (taken screencaps myself just in case). When your very first words are "They're (Nazis) putting people in concentration camps and calling them animals" I should have guessed civil and intellectual discourse was not your intentions. So yes, you did win. You won by making a cheerful, punny, and giving person pissed off because your unabashed hate has proven stronger than my patience and tolerance for outright evil. Take a victory lap, Comic. Because you still think you're the unbiased, I-can-say-nothing-wrong good guy here. After all, it's like you said yourself. It's not a radical belief for it to be easier to call someone a Nazi than to debate in good faith.
I wonder if you still stand by your words a year later, putting words in my mouth throughout. Do you still create arguments for your opponents that you can then dismiss? Do you still consider hate of Nazis and the KKK bigotry? Do you see the national environment and still defend it?
"I honestly have no interest in the game or the topic." - Comic
You know. That's all the effort I'd need to post. :P I mean, were you bored and going through old comments or what?
But will answer legitimately. I back up everything I said. Nazis and KKK are still bigotry. By the national environment, you mean the rampant riots all over the country caused over gross misinformation/media manipulation of several police shootings, all during an pandemic that is forcing the country closed, all three being things actual authoritarians WOULD do? Excuse me, DID do. Ironically, Richard Spencer, the very alt right extremist who's former endorsement of Trump that was at the center of the "Trump is a Nazi", has come out for Biden. I doubt you'll suddenly come out against Biden over it. Or Obama's creation of the very concentration camps. Maybe that is putting words in your mouth again, but its called deductive reasoning. After all, you still haven't said where I defended Nazis. Talk about shoving words in another's mouth of the highest order. It's okay if you do it though, I imagine. Because you can never be wrong about anything. Even when you were caught in a lie. x.x;
So. If you still believe what you claimed above, I have nothing more to say. If you support what the Democrats have undeniably become, especially after this year full of death and corruption and outright hatred of anything not aligned with them, I doubt I can say anything to make you see anything other than what the narrative says you should. If that makes me or conservatives or Trump or anyone else a Nazi to you, if you want to hate and believe and/or extend outright lies, that's all for you to embrace. A lot of us aren't on the fence anymore. All across the internet (#walkaway being one of the more notable) and in my very blue state, we're fed up with the massive lies we've been told and are very much voting Trump.
Judging by this response, your answer is yes to all of my questions.
You've also very much misread whom you're talking to- my opinion Biden is terrible, Obama is not much better. Not relative to our current political situation, but in a general sense. I don't support the Democratic party, nor am I a part of it. Some of the worst actions of police this year were endorsed and/or ordered by democratic mayors, for example.
It's good you actually refer to them as concentration camps now.
You'd have to point to the media manipulation you refer to, as I tend to take my information from primary and secondary sources, rather than tertiary.
As far as where you 'defend Nazis' I thought it was pretty clear it was the original core of your argument- that people are misusing the term when they are not. This used to be a very common issue, especially on the internet (see: anyone using the term feminazi), but lately it's been used rather correctly in most cases. By dismissing the label as inappropriate, you insulate reactions to people being called out as being an over-reaction.
I was caught in a lie? You'll have to point out what the lie was in my own text, and where I was supposedly caught in it.
What massive lies have you been told? Who is 'we'? And why would you not include the many lies Trump has said in this as well? You said before you would probably not vote for him, nor did you before, and yet the path the country has taken has encouraged you to this time. Was it the termination of a pandemic team before a major pandemic? Or maybe the lowering testing despite there being no reason to do so beyond having a lower overall positive test number? Ah, I know, it was the current downsizing and dismantling of the post office.
I had to look up what #walkaway was, as I had never heard of it. It couldn't have been that notable. Perhaps whatever source told you about it overstated its reach?
You keep saying we're done, and yet, you continue to respond as if you had the high ground.
All the crazies and racists and fascists used to hide their insanity, but the Trump administrations co-option of the US Government has given them newfound courage.
This is why it's best to leave political opinions (especially ones who don't unironically use Nazi-Fascism. It's not a joke) out of places like this. For all anyone knows, this game is meant as an insult to Trumpers considering how dumb and over the top it is. It wasn't like this years ago, like Vercinger said, because people weren't hating on each other over politics nearly as bad. Which brings us back to the first sentence. :/
"This is why it's best to leave political opinions (especially ones who don't unironically use Nazi-Fascism. It's not a joke) out of places like this."
I don't think making a game that use political issues is correct. Most of the comments of this game on my country are offensive.
I like how fascists these days are too dimwitted to realize they support a fascist.
The ONLY legislative "accomplishment" during this illegitimate presidency is trillions in debt giving handouts to the wealthiest few and massive multi-national corporations. FASCISM, dumbasses.
Meanwhile, the lying POS (11,000+ lies in 2.5 years and counting) is busy wrecking environmental protections in favor of his polluting buddies (biggest republican donors are fossil fuel magnates) and trying to take health insurance from tens of millions of americans.
Not to mention his attacks on the first amendment, or his unconstitutional religious test.
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a pro-nazi game.
fun.
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magatard
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How's your wife's son doing?
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You can like or dislike Trump. But people on both sides need to stop using Nazi and fascism incorrectly. It's incredibly insulting to people who actually lived through or know what those things mean. :<
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stop being ignorant.
LEARN something about fascism.
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I try to tell people to be better and I get vaguely insulted. I'm definitely on the internet. :P
"Fascism is a form of radical authoritarian ultranationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce." Literally the first line on Wikipedia. Take out the ultranationalism, that's exactly what the socialist parties have done are are still doing to day. The irony real here is that I'm not a Trump supporter, never have been. I just apparently more respect for my fellow human beings than most anymore.
Meanwhile, I am educated on political matters and history, but thank you for being rude enough to have me grab a quote to prove my point for me. I'm trying to tell people to be better than this on political issues. Which is why I'm not going all in on how vile this "everyone's a Nazi" crap is. If you want to go around hurting people you don't like all the while hurting more people you don't even know because you are misrepresenting and abusing history, that's on you. :/ We all can be better than that. But if you still want to hate and insult on a basis you can't back up without using terms you misrepresent, by all means. But I'm not going to play that schoolyard bullying.
I know a lot of people on here have English as a second language so I apologize for big posts. But we have got to stop comparing everyone to Nazis. It undermines every argument it's used in. But to each their own. Hate is too popular to stop with sanity and words these days. :<
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They're putting people in concentration camps and calling them animals.
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This one is an easy debunk. Use of concentration camps does not make one a Nazi or fascist, as they do not mean death camps. Obama used many of the same facilities for years and I doubt you think he was a Nazi fascist. They are merely and literally (even double checked a few sources to confirm) armed holding facilities. One can agree or disagree with their purpose, but has nothing to do with authoritarianism because age old rule of law is being broken, one that all parties agreed with until very recently.
The "animals" comment is verifiably false information produced by propagandist media/individuals over a comment spoken about a particularly horrible gang who knew the comment was taken out of context. And let's not get into AOC...
We need to stop hurting each other over misinformation and outright lies. Both sides do this. I don't believe hate and lies is an answer to politics. Thankfully I know I'm not a minority on this point as information is getting easier to get a hold of. We can all do better than this. :)
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I love you, Mozzaratti. You have an actual brain.
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How do you define concentration camps if not impermanent facilities to hold people indefinitely in small or inadequate facilities? Where people are already dying due to insufficient support/aid/attention?
Calling a person an animal is indefensible regardless of the intended type of person.
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So I have to make an honest question. Are you agreeing with joeblow123 or playing semantics with me to be a troll? Because that response was interesting. :P
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I honestly have no interest in the game or the topic. But disagreed vehemently with the idea that Nazi or fascism is being used incorrectly these days. You mentioned taking out the 'ultranationalism' which is half of 'Nazi' the other half being 'socialism'. But you don't mind changing the topic to 'socialism parties'.
The idea that 'everybody is a Nazi' is not radical anymore. It's not an exaggerated take when Nazis have literally marched in our streets and killed people while promoting the current President. It is not that they are LIKE Nazis, but are literal Nazis. There are plenty of people LIKE Nazis too. You try to put down other people saying they're bullying or misrepresenting when the only one trying to talk down to people saying that you're the expert and they're misinformed is you.
We don't need to stop comparing people to Nazis when they are doing what Nazis do. It doesn't need to be 1:1 to be a meaningful and useful comparison.
I would argue that Nazis probably do have interest in the game though.
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Sigh. Mere minutes left but I'll play your childish and evil game. :/
"I honestly have no interest in the game or the topic" - Contradicted. Lovely.
"You mentioned taking out the 'ultranationalism' which is half of 'Nazi' the other half being 'socialism'. But you don't mind changing the topic to 'socialism parties'." I was making a comparable point because of the growth of openly socialist leader politicians which cannot be argued. You seem to have me confused with your argument.
"The idea that 'everybody is a Nazi' is not radical anymore" Really. So you are saying that 60%+ of the United States is a Nazi. You are so out your depth, man. :/ I'm not even trying to be mean. You're proving my point of how toxic this Nazi BS has gotten.
" It's not an exaggerated take when Nazis have literally marched in our streets and killed people while promoting the current President." I knew you were going to go here the moment you start talking about concentration camps and the "animal" hyperbole. First of all, I was being kind to the OP by not even arguing that detention camps are not the same thing as concentration camps. But if you're doing to double down, then now. There is a difference. And if it sounds like I'm talking down to you or anyone else, then please make some intellectual arguments because this sentence I repeated is an out and out lie. SOME Neo Nazis marched in a protest that was mostly about the destruction of historical statues. Did you even know that's what Unite the Right was about? Then you talk like murder in the streets was rampant while obviously talking about the unintended death of an attendee after a car crash that has questionable events on both sides over the cause.
"You try to put down other people saying they're bullying or misrepresenting when the only one trying to talk down to people saying that you're the expert and they're misinformed is you." Well yes. If you're going to sit there and call half the US worse than animals while telling out and out lies, whether you actually believe what you're saying or not and then telling me calling people "animals" is wrong... by all that is holy, you have dug a pit so deep for your position I don't even have to counter you. You do it to yourself. Sorry if that's rude, but lying to me while I'm making reasonable arguments that i all but say "evil is wrong" and you say otherwise... I'm glad that this giveaway is over. I'm reminded of just how dark some people are to beholden to their ideologies.
"We don't need to stop comparing people to Nazis when they are doing what Nazis do." You mean like taking entire demographics and labeling them something that begs to be censored and destroyed? I didn't vote for Trump, I doubt I will next term either but my one and only contender is getting screwed by the other side so I might just have to for moral code. You have me defending a guy I don't even like. Because you and your positions are so ironic and twisted, here we are.
I haven't defended Nazis. I have defended Socialists. They are both wrong and often evil. What I have defended is being decent human beings to each other. You've argued otherwise. That's a truly impressive argument you have indeed. So do go on and tell me how now I'm a Nazi. That every other US person on Steamgifts is a Nazi.
Oh wait. You already did.
You are definitely blacklisted. I'm here to give positivity and happiness to all sorts of people. But I will not tolerate someone who is more that greedily happy to call everyone evil because it suits some nebulous and disturbing world view. I'd look into community guidelines about this sort of thing if I thought it was important. Consider your game won because i could care less about tallies than human beings. Because nothing any actual human can say will turn you from your self-indulgent path where you and your kind are the only non-Nazis in the whole of the country. A magical thing, that. Just remember the price you just paid to "win" it.
I'm out. Off to giveaway games for people and other relatively decent things besides name-calling and country-ripping. Here's to you learning something today.
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At no point did I contradict that I am not interested in the topic of the game or the game itself.
Openly socialist leaders have nothing to do with this discussion.
I am not, and have not said everybody is a Nazi. I'm saying that the opinion is not radical. It is not without context and merit, even if it may not be factually true.
Define concentration camps and support your definition with a third neutral party if you want to be considered on your definition of concentration camps that cannot be applied to the situation. Otherwise you're arguing with a bias and in bad faith. You cannot simply say 'there is a difference' but not point it out or support your argument. I did not state a lie, here [ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/12/07/neo-nazi-convicted-murder-charlottesville-car-assault-killed-heather-heyer/2243848002/ ] is an article (and simply the first google result) showing that a Nazi, not a third party, was convicted in the murder during the "Unite the Right" rally where people marched with Nazi armbands, saluting, and torches. The details of the event are not in question or blurry. We can argue the historical value of those statues of Confederate Rebels and such but that's not the point.
At no point did I say that half the US is worse than animals. That's a jump of logic you made yourself. The only person who has said anything near to that statement related to this conversation is the President himself. There is no pit dug, but also no counter from you, only misrepresentation, as you make me out to say that the statement 'evil is wrong' is somehow incorrect when nothing close to that in words, intent, or meaning has been said.
Nazis don't 'label demographics' they are concerned with ethnicities, specifically Non-White ethnicities (and specific White ethnicities when non-White ethnicities aren't available to blame). They are not concerned with the 18-35 Female demographic, for example, and using the term demographic intentionally obfuscates their tactics. You have, regardless of your intent, defended Nazis. If you're not even sure if you will vote for Trump yet, you truly need to learn a thing or two. Whether you support him or not, you're not going to be suddenly told a new piece of information that changes everything. You're trying to play the middle but failing, here, and it's clear.
If my positions are so 'ironic and twisted' could you even state them with what I've said? Because the only thing I've said so far is that Nazis are present, they're clear, they're dangerous, and they support the current President. That there are immigrants being held in inadequate facilities where they are getting sick, dying, and their lives and their children's lives are generally being ruined needlessly. I'll also be clear, you cannot be a Nazi and a decent human being. You cannot support Nazi policies and be a decent human being. You cannot defend or support people who defend or support Nazi policies and be a decent human being either.
But you can continue to put words in my mouth, pretending to be attacked personally when you claim you're a neutral third party, while insulting me and claiming I am playing some kind of numbers game with human lives? In a simple discussion? You say me and 'my kind' as well. What 'kind' is that, exactly? That's some loaded terminology. You don't know anything about me to even make assumptions yet. But you've clearly made some.
I haven't 'won' anything, nor paid any price beyond my time. I simply commented on your own actions, and your own words.
I hope someone else has read this discussion and won't fall for your tactics down the line.
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I said I'm not playing this game and yet I am. There's a reason I thought you were trolling me. I'm apparently wrong, but you angered me all the same. This is the first time I've even hinted at politics on SG with more than a joke. Because this is an important subject that can and has injured and even killed people for what you are defending.
Commenting on a Tero Lunkka parody shovelware game you "don't care" about about a topic you "don't care" about just so you can defend someone that sees Nazis everywhere and by extension that you said yourself JUST NOW that it is not a radical opinion to label anyone or everyone Nazis. But no. No contradictions. I'm sorry I ever doubted you. -.-
Furthermore, I gave an out with the concentration camps discussion and you didn't take it. You argued they were Nazi camps. You did that, not me. And the ongoing debate of detention vs. concentration camps is still ongoing. It's not a settled argument because some people have feelings about them while all the footage and officers and pictures tell a different story. But I'm not here to defend that, which is why it was a poor move for you to ride that train. You also knowingly lied about the "animals" comment because you backtracked to "Calling a person an animal is indefensible regardless of the intended type of person" while defending someone calling half the country Nazis because they support a flawed president. YOU did this as well. No contradictions, none at all. Moral and logical compass is A-OK!
And now, you pretend you have level 10 high ground because you intentionally left out details to run a narrative you knew was exaggerated and then misinterpret what I tell you in just part of the many details you left out of a clearly nuanced and bad situation and think you are making your point when instead making mine? I didn't defend Fields, I said there was more to the story. I'm glad you looked it up and confirmed what I said, that's at least something that's come from this nonsense.
The words I'm putting in your mouth are ones you have restated clearly. You are defending the rights of someone to call people whatever he wants (screw facts or humane treatment or definitely somehow that has the audacity to come along and say "calm down, dude, this isn't the right way to deal with your anger"). And you're right! He does have the right and there are Neo Nazis alive and well in this country and in many others. The problem is the mislabeling that, you said yourself, is not a radical thing to do. That's not a good thing. Calling an organized group of rapists and murderers animals isn't cool but touting murderous white supremacists so you can feel better about your politics? If you answer nothing else, rectify this for me. Show me how this limbo tournament works and how you still feel good and right about your words because this is your core stand against mine.
Meanwhile, name one place I defended Nazis. Because I'm trying to keep blatantly lying people from calling everyone they don't like one? Which by your "defending" BS remark clearly means you are insinuating far more me defense of them that your now curious defense of socialists, considering you keep bringing that up if it's not important to you. Stalin did nothing wrong, they say. I brought up the Trump dilemma because I often have to restate I'm not a Trump supporter because of people like you doing exactly what you did anyway. I can't wait to hear which person you're gung-ho voting for. I bet they are a real peach!
So yes. Go on and tell everyone how much of a loving caring individual you are because you don't like Trump or his fans. Meanwhile, you called Obama a Nazi by the same logic you charged Trump with. I don't care who you call what. Call me any name you want as well as you stare over the divide that you create between completely decent and confused people. All men are rapists, all whites are slavers, all Trumpers are Nazis. Feel free to defend that sort of evil (and don't you dare fabricate those aren't related positions). My "tactics", from the very beginning, is bringing people together be being less motivated by lies and hate. You have more than implied, multiple times now with great confidence, that you should call anyone anything they want because some subsection of a culture has bad beliefs or do horrible things. Well then, how can I put words in your mouth when you're entire position is made up of doing just that to everyone?
Read that last paragraph. Twice. Three times if necessary. I have layered a lot of sarcasm and more than a little passive aggressive because of the anger this venom creates in people. The only people that could possibly agree with you are the same people that want to make all their opponents Nazis and KKK because it makes their hate and bigotry stronger. Congrats again for defending a wonderful platform. Yep. You're against Nazis. Same here. But I'm defending them by saying "people should stop calling EVERYONE a Nazi"? And you say "lots of people do it, so shut up you clueless manipulator" all while posting multiple half truths and outright lies.
Feel free to have the last words. I will not be responding after this. I agree people should probably read this and learn something from it too. Feel free to share it, if I can trust you to do so without edits (taken screencaps myself just in case). When your very first words are "They're (Nazis) putting people in concentration camps and calling them animals" I should have guessed civil and intellectual discourse was not your intentions. So yes, you did win. You won by making a cheerful, punny, and giving person pissed off because your unabashed hate has proven stronger than my patience and tolerance for outright evil. Take a victory lap, Comic. Because you still think you're the unbiased, I-can-say-nothing-wrong good guy here. After all, it's like you said yourself. It's not a radical belief for it to be easier to call someone a Nazi than to debate in good faith.
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I wonder if you still stand by your words a year later, putting words in my mouth throughout. Do you still create arguments for your opponents that you can then dismiss? Do you still consider hate of Nazis and the KKK bigotry? Do you see the national environment and still defend it?
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"I honestly have no interest in the game or the topic." - Comic
You know. That's all the effort I'd need to post. :P I mean, were you bored and going through old comments or what?
But will answer legitimately. I back up everything I said. Nazis and KKK are still bigotry. By the national environment, you mean the rampant riots all over the country caused over gross misinformation/media manipulation of several police shootings, all during an pandemic that is forcing the country closed, all three being things actual authoritarians WOULD do? Excuse me, DID do. Ironically, Richard Spencer, the very alt right extremist who's former endorsement of Trump that was at the center of the "Trump is a Nazi", has come out for Biden. I doubt you'll suddenly come out against Biden over it. Or Obama's creation of the very concentration camps. Maybe that is putting words in your mouth again, but its called deductive reasoning. After all, you still haven't said where I defended Nazis. Talk about shoving words in another's mouth of the highest order. It's okay if you do it though, I imagine. Because you can never be wrong about anything. Even when you were caught in a lie. x.x;
So. If you still believe what you claimed above, I have nothing more to say. If you support what the Democrats have undeniably become, especially after this year full of death and corruption and outright hatred of anything not aligned with them, I doubt I can say anything to make you see anything other than what the narrative says you should. If that makes me or conservatives or Trump or anyone else a Nazi to you, if you want to hate and believe and/or extend outright lies, that's all for you to embrace. A lot of us aren't on the fence anymore. All across the internet (#walkaway being one of the more notable) and in my very blue state, we're fed up with the massive lies we've been told and are very much voting Trump.
Stay safe. But we're done here.
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Judging by this response, your answer is yes to all of my questions.
You've also very much misread whom you're talking to- my opinion Biden is terrible, Obama is not much better. Not relative to our current political situation, but in a general sense. I don't support the Democratic party, nor am I a part of it. Some of the worst actions of police this year were endorsed and/or ordered by democratic mayors, for example.
It's good you actually refer to them as concentration camps now.
You'd have to point to the media manipulation you refer to, as I tend to take my information from primary and secondary sources, rather than tertiary.
As far as where you 'defend Nazis' I thought it was pretty clear it was the original core of your argument- that people are misusing the term when they are not. This used to be a very common issue, especially on the internet (see: anyone using the term feminazi), but lately it's been used rather correctly in most cases. By dismissing the label as inappropriate, you insulate reactions to people being called out as being an over-reaction.
I was caught in a lie? You'll have to point out what the lie was in my own text, and where I was supposedly caught in it.
What massive lies have you been told? Who is 'we'? And why would you not include the many lies Trump has said in this as well? You said before you would probably not vote for him, nor did you before, and yet the path the country has taken has encouraged you to this time. Was it the termination of a pandemic team before a major pandemic? Or maybe the lowering testing despite there being no reason to do so beyond having a lower overall positive test number? Ah, I know, it was the current downsizing and dismantling of the post office.
I had to look up what #walkaway was, as I had never heard of it. It couldn't have been that notable. Perhaps whatever source told you about it overstated its reach?
You keep saying we're done, and yet, you continue to respond as if you had the high ground.
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Another retard Trump game? The nazi-fascism is doing well on Murica.
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And on Steamgifts, sadly. Plenty of people around here like that NymN fool below. Wasn't like this years ago.
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All the crazies and racists and fascists used to hide their insanity, but the Trump administrations co-option of the US Government has given them newfound courage.
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This is why it's best to leave political opinions (especially ones who don't unironically use Nazi-Fascism. It's not a joke) out of places like this. For all anyone knows, this game is meant as an insult to Trumpers considering how dumb and over the top it is. It wasn't like this years ago, like Vercinger said, because people weren't hating on each other over politics nearly as bad. Which brings us back to the first sentence. :/
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"This is why it's best to leave political opinions (especially ones who don't unironically use Nazi-Fascism. It's not a joke) out of places like this."
I don't think making a game that use political issues is correct. Most of the comments of this game on my country are offensive.
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I love seeing lefties triggered in the comments, thanks for this giveaway
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I like how fascists these days are too dimwitted to realize they support a fascist.
The ONLY legislative "accomplishment" during this illegitimate presidency is trillions in debt giving handouts to the wealthiest few and massive multi-national corporations. FASCISM, dumbasses.
Meanwhile, the lying POS (11,000+ lies in 2.5 years and counting) is busy wrecking environmental protections in favor of his polluting buddies (biggest republican donors are fossil fuel magnates) and trying to take health insurance from tens of millions of americans.
Not to mention his attacks on the first amendment, or his unconstitutional religious test.
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Thanks for the giveaway <3
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Thanks for the giveaway! ✔
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I can't wait till that insane, historically stupid traitor is rotting in prison where he belongs.
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Thanks for the key.
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Thanks for game!
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Thank You kind Sir!
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