You were suspended because you went into another user's thread, to tell them they should close it:
There are already several groups doing exactly this. / Maybe you should join them and follow their rules if you qualify.
That's what your communication was about. It's the community who decide which threads stay alive, and which get buried. If users are interested in topic / group idea / event idea etc., they will reply in thread, keeping it alive. As long as the thread doesn't break rules from the User Content part of the guideline (ref links, war threads, hate speech, etc.), no one should go and suggest / say / demand it should be closed. If there are already multiple similar threads, and people are not interested - it will be dropped from the top of the board. And if the creator tries to keep the thread artificially on top, by being the only one who replies to their own thread - we issue warning and then suspension.
It looks like you had some negative experience with them before. That's why, in their reply, they asked you to not communicate. And then you again said they should either accept you will post negative things in their thread (saying the thread should be closed because a similar group is already available is not positive), or not post at all:
This is a public site and this is a public discussion. If you want a private discussion, then create a private one.
There never would be a problem, if you (knowing there is a bad atmosphere between you two) would not go to their thread, and ask it to be closed, and user should join other groups instead. If you want to avoid such situations in the future - ignore threads, and don't move disagreements from other places / closed threads into unrelated discussions. We now have an option to hide threads, so it would never be visible to you again.
As for Eiion comment - I made similar comments in many places around SG, when creators were asking for winner's rights to be changed to make it easier for creators. We see in support cases, where creators don't want to deliver game because ratio, region, spoken language, avatar etc. And look for a way to bend the system their way. "Creator good, winner bad" is the sentiment you based your idea on - winner should claim their win immediately, otherwise they can't enter GAs, because creators should not wait up to 7 days to get their CV. Pointing that it's sometimes "creator is an asshole, and winner is victim" is not a personal attack. https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/8lAqd/changes-for-unresponsive-winners#oPNlkTw
As for Delta comments - I did bring up other points, but in general I agree with their situation judgement. Don't go into threads of people you have quarrel with. You can still discuss of course (say someone would believe pink is a better color than blue, but you have arguments why blue is better), as long as the discussion is not off-topic or ad persona. But being personal with "close thread" "you were banned on discord" etc. will never give you positive responses, when you could ignore the thread in the first place.
It is not a matter of "right to free speech" or "I can go and comment in all public threads" (all threads on SG are public). But a way SG has always been self-regulating itself. Based on its quite basic forum structure (long ago we didn't even have categories, just a long list of threads that are bumped based on community engagement), and lack of ability to block users communicating with each other in the forum, other than ignoring someone.
Also even if a ticket is closed - it never disappears from the system. Nor can it's content be adjusted by support. So if you feel like my judgement of the situation is incorrect - you can make a User Report ticket. As long as you don't delete ticket content yourself, then site admin can always see all the ticket that were made on me.
Why did the user NOT get a 2-day suspension as she was bad mouthing me first while I got 2 suspensions back to back?
Let's assume your pov is correct and I started things, why did she continue to engage twice but NOT get any suspension?
Because you're the one bringing negativity to the thread. OP first response was neutral. Asked you to avoid their threads. Only when you doubled down, they went confrontative. If someone is negative to you in real life, and you tell them "get lost you punk" no one will put blame on you. Focus, and blame, will always be on the person who started. When alternative is to simply ignore.
Why did I get suspended within the same week while other users on the site who have been reported since a whole year ago got nothing?
Because we had few thousand user reports in the queue. Now it's less than 1k. Plus, with new moderators added last year, there are more eyes that can spot issues and suspend / forward it to higher mods. So there will be less delay between infraction - spotted - suspension.
My point here is if I were on a war path, I would've pointed out that they're friends and he's just whiteknighting but I did not.
The point is: you should not go to this thread at all, with how you started the conversation. If you start from bring negativity to a place, and then try to have normal discussion - people will not treat you as a neutral party. Things exist in context. Your later messages are read through the lens of how you started.
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Hi,
You were suspended because you went into another user's thread, to tell them they should close it:
That's what your communication was about. It's the community who decide which threads stay alive, and which get buried. If users are interested in topic / group idea / event idea etc., they will reply in thread, keeping it alive. As long as the thread doesn't break rules from the User Content part of the guideline (ref links, war threads, hate speech, etc.), no one should go and suggest / say / demand it should be closed. If there are already multiple similar threads, and people are not interested - it will be dropped from the top of the board. And if the creator tries to keep the thread artificially on top, by being the only one who replies to their own thread - we issue warning and then suspension.
It looks like you had some negative experience with them before. That's why, in their reply, they asked you to not communicate. And then you again said they should either accept you will post negative things in their thread (saying the thread should be closed because a similar group is already available is not positive), or not post at all:
There are no private discussions on SG. That's why users ignore the threads of people they don't see eye to eye. Not go into other's discussions, to continue disagreements from other places. Like you already did before:
https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/S4e2c/free-epic-games-store-list-of-all-weekly-free-games-every-thursday-at-11-am-et#SKoznc5
There never would be a problem, if you (knowing there is a bad atmosphere between you two) would not go to their thread, and ask it to be closed, and user should join other groups instead. If you want to avoid such situations in the future - ignore threads, and don't move disagreements from other places / closed threads into unrelated discussions. We now have an option to hide threads, so it would never be visible to you again.
As for Eiion comment - I made similar comments in many places around SG, when creators were asking for winner's rights to be changed to make it easier for creators. We see in support cases, where creators don't want to deliver game because ratio, region, spoken language, avatar etc. And look for a way to bend the system their way. "Creator good, winner bad" is the sentiment you based your idea on - winner should claim their win immediately, otherwise they can't enter GAs, because creators should not wait up to 7 days to get their CV. Pointing that it's sometimes "creator is an asshole, and winner is victim" is not a personal attack.
https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/8lAqd/changes-for-unresponsive-winners#oPNlkTw
As for Delta comments - I did bring up other points, but in general I agree with their situation judgement. Don't go into threads of people you have quarrel with. You can still discuss of course (say someone would believe pink is a better color than blue, but you have arguments why blue is better), as long as the discussion is not off-topic or ad persona. But being personal with "close thread" "you were banned on discord" etc. will never give you positive responses, when you could ignore the thread in the first place.
It is not a matter of "right to free speech" or "I can go and comment in all public threads" (all threads on SG are public). But a way SG has always been self-regulating itself. Based on its quite basic forum structure (long ago we didn't even have categories, just a long list of threads that are bumped based on community engagement), and lack of ability to block users communicating with each other in the forum, other than ignoring someone.
Also even if a ticket is closed - it never disappears from the system. Nor can it's content be adjusted by support. So if you feel like my judgement of the situation is incorrect - you can make a User Report ticket. As long as you don't delete ticket content yourself, then site admin can always see all the ticket that were made on me.
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Because you're the one bringing negativity to the thread. OP first response was neutral. Asked you to avoid their threads. Only when you doubled down, they went confrontative. If someone is negative to you in real life, and you tell them "get lost you punk" no one will put blame on you. Focus, and blame, will always be on the person who started. When alternative is to simply ignore.
Because we had few thousand user reports in the queue. Now it's less than 1k. Plus, with new moderators added last year, there are more eyes that can spot issues and suspend / forward it to higher mods. So there will be less delay between infraction - spotted - suspension.
The point is: you should not go to this thread at all, with how you started the conversation. If you start from bring negativity to a place, and then try to have normal discussion - people will not treat you as a neutral party. Things exist in context. Your later messages are read through the lens of how you started.
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